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Controversial MJ Documentary Leaving Neverland [GENERAL DISCUSSION THREAD]

terrell said:
Oh she was called out. Black twitter and radio dogged her out bad until she had issue that statement on "This transcend Michael". No one was trying to hear it but her lap dogs like ellen, Rosie odonnell-who needs to shup up because she had abuse claims against her by her own daughter, etc and I pointed that out to her. Shut her down quick.
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She said this doc transcends mj before the backlash. She received some backlash when she shared that cancel mj article on her magazine instgram page which is still there. Then the doc was aired and many went silent. You have long time fans here believing this shit imagine how those who have superficial knowledge of MJ felt when they watched. Now the shock is less hopefully people will start to think critically. However, many did make up their mind. It is still available for streaming and more people are watching it and believing he was a monster. Based on the reaction of some long term fans here if out of every 2 who watched one stayed neutral MJ would be lucky. Let's not delude ourselves. Not even a single reputable newspaper in either the US or the UK has published anything to discredit it. On the other hand we have multiple influencers everyday watching and voicing support for the liars. The damage is huge. The fans have done great but MJ's legacy needs a miracle now to be restored to pre FEB 2019. More docs are coming up more exploitation and more heartache to his family and us. People are making every execuse in the book for them. I read people said event if chandler comes now to say mj did nothing to him they would dismiss him because he was paid so his words are worthless his word is only worthy if he speaks against MJ. Again the average IQ is less than 100 and the media is fighting this battle to divert all the attention from the perverts at the top. They will not stop.
 
Soundmind said:
She said this doc transcends mj before the backlash. She received some backlash when she shared that cancel mj article on her magazine instgram page which is still there. Then the doc was aired and many went silent. You have long time fans here believing this shit imagine how those who have superficial knowledge of MJ felt when they watched. Now the shock is less hopefully people will start to think critically. However, many did make up their mind. It is still available for streaming and more people are watching it and believing he was a monster. Based on the reaction of some long term fans here if out of every 2 who watched one stayed neutral MJ would be lucky. Let's not delude ourselves. Not even a single reputable newspaper in either the US or the UK has published anything to discredit it. On the other hand we have multiple influencers everyday watching and voicing support for the liars. The damage is huge. The fans have done great but MJ's legacy needs a miracle now to be restored to pre FEB 2019. More docs are coming up more exploitation and more heartache to his family and us. People are making every execuse in the book for them. I read people said event if chandler comes now to say mj did nothing to him they would dismiss him because he was paid so his words are worthless his word is only worthy if he speaks against MJ. Again the average IQ is less than 100 and the media is fighting this battle to divert all the attention from the perverts at the top. They will not stop.
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She talked after as well because people were going in hard on her she even said she knew this was coming. Oprah caught a backlash especially on black radio and twitter. Now she know she defended liars. And if Jordan speaks and final say nothing happen as it didn't, it would not matter what anyone say no more. That would explain why he got the money and never did anything else when they had the chance. So anyone who would think otherwise it would be a reflection on them. The Chandlers were knocked down at the trial in 2005. Jordan would just be confirming what was already seen by fair minded folks. MJ will be fine.
 
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Where is Steve Harvey. He was furious before it was aired and promised he would speak about it once it airs to expose the lies .he went dead silent after it was aired. People either believed or scared to death to comment against it.
 
terrell said:
She talked after as well because people were going in hard on her she even said she knew this was coming. Oprah caught a backlash especially on black radio and twitter. Now she know she defended liars.
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She never spoke about it. It is coming and this transcends mj were all quotes from her interview with the liars.
 
Do you guys know how to reach the Estate? Please forward all those findings to them.
https://twitter.com/NatashaShingles/status/1114534059017998336

And I have a legal question... What if somebody viciously slandered (spread intentional lies about) a brand, a trademark like Chrysler, Toyota, Harvey's, Virgin Mobile, etc.? Could the owners of the brand sue? Michael Jackson is a registered trademark: https://trademarks.justia.com/864/85/michael-86485781.html (newly registered last February unlike Madonna's registered in 1987: https://trademarks.justia.com/735/72/madonna-73572121.html).
 
A stupid question but....
Which official doccuments do we have from James accusations?

I have read his second complaint...
Which are the other documents and where can I find them?

Is it true that all documents were under oath?
 
The thing I find most hypocritical yet almost funny is all these so called 'experts' who think they know everything and are convinced of Michaels guilt only heard about these allegations recently due to the doc. Anyone who's followed this case and the allegations against Michael heard about these literally years ago. This wasn't even a shocking or groundbreaking thing for us. Its weirdly hilarious to see all these people who have suddenly had their eyes opening and talking like this is all groundbreaking new allegations. Whether you believe the allegations or not Leaving Neverland doesn't offer anything new that anyone who cares about this case hasn't known for years!
 
AG5050 said:
The thing I find most hypocritical yet almost funny is all these so called 'experts' who think they know everything and are convinced of Michaels guilt only heard about these allegations recently due to the doc. Anyone who's followed this case and the allegations against Michael heard about these literally years ago. This wasn't even a shocking or groundbreaking thing for us. Its weirdly hilarious to see all these people who have suddenly had their eyes opening and talking like this is all groundbreaking new allegations. Whether you believe the allegations or not Leaving Neverland doesn't offer anything new that anyone who cares about this case hasn't known for years!
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Yeah..... it was the same with this 1996 interview where they suddenly ask MJ if he had molested some boys or the Giraldo River interview which were online for years but people thought it was all new becuse of the brainwashing media.^^
It shows that those people never were interested in to find outthe truth about MJ.
 
AG5050 said:
The thing I find most hypocritical yet almost funny is all these so called 'experts' who think they know everything and are convinced of Michaels guilt only heard about these allegations recently due to the doc. Anyone who's followed this case and the allegations against Michael heard about these literally years ago. This wasn't even a shocking or groundbreaking thing for us. Its weirdly hilarious to see all these people who have suddenly had their eyes opening and talking like this is all groundbreaking new allegations. Whether you believe the allegations or not Leaving Neverland doesn't offer anything new that anyone who cares about this case hasn't known for years!
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The problem is it's new for them and first time they have heard such graphic details. It's the fact that they go into detail about the abuse which people find believable. It's the only thing they hear and see. If you only hear the prosecution's case you will convict.

All the debunking that's happened I bet they haven't paid any attention to that. Taj's response to Heather Graham was spot on.

What annoys me is how all these celebs seem to be watching this crap. Go watch the Weinstein docu it's happening in your own back garden and comment on that.
 
travis3000 said:
what the hell is this about????

https://www.nydailynews.com/news/na...n-cover-molestations-report-article-1.1386325
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Based on the URL alone I'd say this is yet another recycled story with no actual proof. The "MJ spent X amount of money to cover the allegations" story is one that's popped up before. I recall there a similar one from a few years ago (I think it was around the same time that bullshit child porn story came up) that claimed he spent $200 million.

Anyone brave enough to click the article link and paste the text (if it works for them)?

Soundmind said:
Where is Steve Harvey. He was furious before it was aired and promised he would speak about it once it airs to expose the lies .he went dead silent after it was aired. People either believed or scared to death to comment against it.
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I'm curious about him as well.

I was also thinking about Ron Newt and tried to see if there were updates about his death. Seems a cause of death still hasn't come out; all I can find is that he died at home.
 
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Soundmind said:
She never spoke about it. It is coming and this transcends mj were all quotes from her interview with the liars.
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All I know she got it.

tps://forbezdvd.com/oprah-receives-backlash-for-leaving-neverland-involvement/

D L Hugley audience pretty much 'let her go'. and others.
 
So Jocobshagen was not in this special on the german tv before they showed LN?

Is it possible that anyone lik the estate ever read the book from Wade he wrote in 2012?
 
ManBehindTheMirrOr - Dona said:
A stupid question but....
Which official doccuments do we have from James accusations?

I have read his second complaint...
Which are the other documents and where can I find them?

Is it true that all documents were under oath?
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This document is from James Safechuck as well, it is a document that James Safechuck or rather his lawyers attached to the request of Wade Robson in his support. This document focuses on explaining the psychological scope of abuses in James's life. the details of the abuses and the details of when they met and when they saw each other are left aside because that is explained in the other two documents. This document focuses on explaining what the abuse has caused to his life

https://es.scribd.com/document/399591830/Safechuck-Declaration-March-18-2015


this other document is a copy of the james lawsuit filed in 2014 that was filed in 2015 in the case of robson

https://es.scribd.com/document/403740613/Safechuck-Complaint
 
Thank you very much for the links.

When I read the first complaint now, I find point 14 very interesting.
There James mentioned the park film footage from simi valley ( where the safechucks home is) which ended up in one of closing credits of MJs documentarys (does someone know which one?)
This seames to be the park footage they show in LN.
The difference is that is the complaint the walk trough this park clearly took place in 1987 (when James was 9) in LA before the Hawaii Trip and the abuse had startet maaaany months later in Paris in summer 1988.
But in LN they show the footage AFTER James told there that the abuse had startet and make it look like if MJ and James were a love couple in it who would exchange secret love messages during a walk on the bad tour!!!
 
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Amaya said:
Based on the URL alone I'd say this is yet another recycled story with no actual proof. The "MJ spent X amount of money to cover the allegations" story is one that's popped up before. I recall there a similar one from a few years ago (I think it was around the same time that bullshit child porn story came up) that claimed he spent $200 million.

Anyone brave enough to click the article link and paste the text (if it works for them)?4






I'm curious about him as well.

I was also thinking about Ron Newt and tried to see if there were updates about his death. Seems a cause of death still hasn't come out; all I can find is that he died at home.
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Regading Steve Harvey.. I am not sure why he hasn't spoken, I thought he would but one thing I have come to learn recently is he kisses Oprahs ass. If that ties in is just a matter of opinion but he semi recently telling Monique how irresponsible she was to speak against Oprah the way she did.. (Not MJ related)
 
I haven't spent the weekend watching videos that dismantle LN and that then led me to the Johnny Depp/Amber Heard situation.

The similarities are interesting. And I also noticed that now that Johnny Depp has turned the tables, there is very little to no coverage.

That enforces for me that it is IMPERATIVE to get your narrative out there first. When you end up being reactive, it hampers your message.

And people need to take a serious look at how easily we condemn and judge people today. It needs to stop.
 
KOPV said:
Regading Steve Harvey.. I am not sure why he hasn't spoken, I thought he would but one thing I have come to learn recently is he kisses Oprahs ass. If that ties in is just a matter of opinion but he semi recently telling Monique how irresponsible she was to speak against Oprah the way she did.. (Not MJ related)
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When I heard him, Steve said he will not watch it. he said that does not sound like the MJ he knows.Then he talked about how MJ had him sitting on a frog stool with his kids in his trailer, etc. But he refuse to watch it and wont.
 
KOPV said:
Regading Steve Harvey.. I am not sure why he hasn't spoken, I thought he would but one thing I have come to learn recently is he kisses Oprahs ass. If that ties in is just a matter of opinion but he semi recently telling Monique how irresponsible she was to speak against Oprah the way she did.. (Not MJ related)
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Funny now that Mo is getting the last laugh. People are saying "Mo told us".
 
Im sure oprah had a hand in him getting several of his daytime TV shows. Same reason DR Phil probably wouldnt cover this. Theyre all friends. Harveys not gonna go against oprah and risk his business. He basically said it during his interview with Monique.
 
terrell;4253999 said:
Oh she was called out. Black twitter and radio dogged her out bad until she had issue that statement on "This transcend Michael". No one was trying to hear it but her lap dogs like ellen, Rosie odonnell-who needs to shup up because she had abuse claims against her by her own daughter, etc and I pointed that out to her. Shut her down quick.
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She has definitely been called out by the black community BIGTIME!!! The backlash is unprecedented against her. The black community hates her guts, and that hate is well deserved. She is a traitor and an Aunt Jemimma. Black people have been giving her the “side eye” for years. What she did to Michael has taken the hate for her to new levels. Paul Mooney has always called her a double agent, even before the LN backlash, and he is 100% correct. Oprah is cancelled in the black community.
 
Funny thing, tonight I went to see Captain Marvel and there is a scene where Captain Marvel shoots at a life size card board cut out of Jamie Lee Curtis ??????
 
horselightning said:
Jackson family hits back with counter-documentary

https://au.lifestyle.yahoo.com/jackson-family-hits-back-counter-documentary-021645972.html

another article on that documentary. I hope it is good.
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I still think that this are fake news that it is a official documentery with which the Jackson Family wants to hit back.
I don't want that people get the wrong impression that this is now Tajs documentery he had collected money for!

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What do you guys say to the thing with the park szene I posted above?
 
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Food for thought...

Why was James Safechuck (yes, @e8jms) looking for jewelry and RINGS on Etsy (known marketplace for handmade/made to order items) while he was trying to push his "I took jewelry from MJ as reward for sexual acts" story on court?

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KerryWard
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Could this be where James got his ring from? Because they do sell rolex links rings! https://www.etsy.com/uk/listing/658...a_search_query=rolex+ring&ref=sr_gallery-1-27 …

Michael Jackson's HideOut
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Food for thought...

Why was James Safechuck (yes, @e8jms) looking for jewelry and RINGS on Etsy (known marketplace for handmade/made to order items) while he was trying to push his "I took jewelry from MJ as reward for sexual acts" story on court?
 
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