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Why was the initial bonus content of Thriller25 discarded?

AlwaysThere said:
Plus, as others have observed, you don't want to drain the well on one release. The Estate likely wants to stretch out the material so we can still hear new stuff years down the line.
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It's true, but still...

 
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Derek1984 said:
This is where I disagree. How much does the Estate plan to really make with songs that weren't good enough to be released on albums? Is an unreleased demo from 1985 really going to be a huge money maker for the estate?!? By the time anything more gets released, a lot us fans are going to be dead. Seriously, just release what demos are left in a boxed set. And leave them exactly how they were left. This whole don't want the well to dry with unreleased songs is just lame.
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Jimi Hendrix still gets new albums released 50 years after his death. He has way more albums released after he passed than when he was alive. Jimi only released 3 albums while he living, unless you count the stuff when he was a sideman/session musician for other acts. Unreleased Beatles music also continues to come out every few years on deluxe reissues of multiple CDs/LPs. They contain unreleased songs and also alternate versions of previously released songs and studio chatter. The Beatles continue to have books written & documetaries made about them too. They even have movies based on their music like Across The Universe & the recent Yesterday. The Beatles haven't existed since 1970, which is the same year Hendrix died.
 
While we'll talking about unreleased songs and stuff, where's "Lovely Way" by the way? hahaha
 
No new material has been released since Xscape, that's 6 years now. Looks like the estate is trying to stretch out material overtime which I can understand but at the same time they should be offering something new for the fans. Instead of releasing albums with a bunch of new songs they should release singles instead. That way the vault will not run dry.
 
Derek1984 said:
This is where I disagree. How much does the Estate plan to really make with songs that weren't good enough to be released on albums? Is an unreleased demo from 1985 really going to be a huge money maker for the estate?!? By the time anything more gets released, a lot us fans are going to be dead. Seriously, just release what demos are left in a boxed set. And leave them exactly how they were left. This whole don't want the well to dry with unreleased songs is just lame.
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Hell its been 6years since we got a new album or anything new to the eyes (released by the estate) like how can his estate not be creative when it comes to him. They come with the lamest basic things. Bad 25 was ok but they left out so much from that era. No la footage, no mention of pepsi or l.a gear, the tour clothes with the changing colors of the shirts...like it couldve been way more detailed. Some songs didnt even get as much as knowledge of detail. They just quickly ran thru things...maybe they got deeper but spike lee cut it & i wouldve for sure thought he wouldve done a thriller or dangerous doc by now. Its way over due. Otw wasn't like bad25 so it wasnt as detailed as i thought it would be as well so at this point i wish i was the estate & could hire a new team because imo they are just living off money already generated
 
If we don't see the unrelease songs. at least our grandchildren children will. LOL! that would kind of suck but hey.
 
AmitLal92 said:
No new material has been released since Xscape, that's 6 years now. Looks like the estate is trying to stretch out material overtime which I can understand but at the same time they should be offering something new for the fans. Instead of releasing albums with a bunch of new songs they should release singles instead. That way the vault will not run dry.
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I agree. like release one or two songs every year or two.
 
AmitLal92 said:
No new material has been released since Xscape, that's 6 years now. Looks like the estate is trying to stretch out material overtime which I can understand but at the same time they should be offering something new for the fans. Instead of releasing albums with a bunch of new songs they should release singles instead. That way the vault will not run dry.
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Tbh, what has the estate done for MJs artistic legacy so far??

Presenting radically remixed songs as new MJ tracks, where most of them resemble MJs left behind aritistic vision next to nothing, wasn't surely the right path to follow. Not to mention the fraud work on MICHAEL.
 
AlwaysThere said:
Bad 25 is excellent in comparison, faults and all.
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Loved It Bad25. wish they kept that formula. but hey, maybe we will get something for Dangerous 30. if not then *shrugs* hope we get something better then that. if not then is what it is. make me think if Michael was planning anniversary albums anyway. he was never into greatest hits albums. so i can't say.

AlwaysThere said:
Odds are Michael's kids will do the exact same thing once they take over.
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If they ever take over. i think they will one day down the line. with our great grandchildren.
 
Fuzball said:
I guess they won't care about Mike's music - at least not the same way we do.
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I don't know. Michael last album was in 2001. all those kids are about in their 20's mid to late teens now. so yeah, i think they will be interest in his music. as long we always pass it on to gen to the next gen. Michael estate sign a catalog not too long ago that goes all the way to 2060 something. so yeah. our grandchildren children or probably their children. will be listening to Michael as well.
 
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all of the trhiller 25 content should of been disgarded.It was rubbish.
 
Derek1984 said:
BAD 25 could've been even better... Tomboy, Buffalo Bill, What You Do To Me, and several others were left off. Make or Break is rough but still would've been worth including. Well maybe we finally get to hear the rest for BAD 50 smh
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Bad 30 something?
 
I think the whole mj hated remixes thing has been exaggerated by fans. The T25 remixes were his idea, so I don't really see why he would be the one to suggest them, even recording a new verse for WBSS, if he absolutely hated them.
 
SmoothCriminal1995 said:
Knowing what we know now (mainly about Michael untimely passing) I'm glad they held off on releasing too many unreleased tracks then as it leaves more for now after Michael has gone, especially with regards to Don't Be Messin' Round, as I have high hopes for a finished version of that track.
The fact Mike kept working on it, showed it got under his skin in a good way, hopefully one day we hear a more completed version because the demo from the Bad era is some quite unique and special in my eyes. It would be fantastic to hear the progression of the song throughout the eras

As much as I look back at Bad 25 with nothing but fond memories, I do kind of regret the estate releasing 6 near complete tracks from the vault on an anniversary project, Price Of Fame and I'm So Blue should have been on a studio album in my eyes. They could have bulked out disc 2 with 3/4 unreleased tracks and then demos/alternative takes of songs from the album. With that being said, I don't truly regret their decision because I got to hear Price Of Fame which is now one of my most favourite songs of Mike's.
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I'd happily have Price of Fame feature again with more complete instrumentation.
 
Nite Line said:
In contrast, Bad 25 was a great release with 6 additional unreleased songs from the Bad era. Thriller 25 should have included Behind The Mask, Nite Line, Best of Joy and a couple other Thriller era unreleased songs/demos.
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I agree.

analogue said:
The biggest missed opportunity for Thriller 25 was not releasing The Making Of Thriller on DVD. This was the perfect time to release it
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Exactly. :clapping: you would of thought they would put that on there. like....? what....? one of the best albums and doc ever made with great sales? what....? not sure what Michael was thinking at the time. but i'm surprise he didn't do any of that. and he LOVED it thriller. so weird.
 
ChrisC said:
I'd happily have Price of Fame feature again with more complete instrumentation.
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+ the lastest version of DBMR (it's presumably from 2007), Bruce Swediens 1987 mix of Streetwalker & Al Capone feat. Roger Troutman
 
smoothvillain said:
I remember reading in "Remember the Time" the studio had all sorts of plans for Thriller 25. Michael wasn't interested in doing anything for it but the studio said he had to. He basically put off working on the remixes until the last minute which is why it barely got anything.

Greatest Hits and Anniversary releases are usually studio
controlled anyway. Seems like everything they plan to do for each project gets delayed until the next one.
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I figured.
 
Thriller 25 should of have more unreleased songs like bad 25 did. that's why I love bad 25 better. they did a lot more with bad 25 then thriller 25. i hope for thriller 40 anniversary and bad 30 or 40 anniversary we get more stuff like that. but we can only hope.
 
I really would like to hear the finished version of Streetwalker. It's a shame we probably won't hear it due to disagreements.
 
SmoothGangsta said:
I really would like to hear the finished version of Streetwalker. It's a shame we probably won't hear it due to disagreements.
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Wow. I didn't know streetwalker have a finish version. i always thought the one i always heard was the done one. well i guess i just learn something "new" today. i like this song too as well. sadly it's underrated and not a lot fans like it. which sucks. :\
 
NatureCriminal7896 said:
Wow. I didn't know streetwalker have a finish version. i always thought the one i always heard was the done one. well i guess i just learn something "new" today. i like this song too as well. sadly it's underrated and not a lot fans like it. which sucks. :\
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The version that has been released is based on a demo of the song if I recall correctly. There was a finalised version made but nobody has heard it. I agreed it's great.
 
Every 4 years or so I'd just like the Estate to release 3 or 4 unreleased songs, as they were left. I guess it could be released like an EP. Just something to give us every few years, kinda like how MJ would release a new album every 4 to 5 years.
 
Fuzball said:
Tbh, what has the estate done for MJs artistic legacy so far??

Presenting radically remixed songs as new MJ tracks, where most of them resemble MJs left behind aritistic vision next to nothing, wasn't surely the right path to follow. Not to mention the fraud work on MICHAEL.
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Think about all the deceased artists -- Tupac, Amy Winehouse, Prince, Elvis, Jimi Hendrix, Freddie Mercury, etc. Think of the dozens upon dozens of incredible posthumous releases we've gotten from said artists. How often are they ever brought up in conversation when discussing the artist's legacy?

Even if the Estate was hitting continuous home runs with the posthumous projects, they would never make as great of an impact as the material Michael released in his lifetime. Not to imply that quality doesn't matter, because it obviously does. But the Estate legitimately can't damage Michael's artistic legacy; it's impossible, even if they were actively attempting to do so.

Michael and Xscape were highly controversial projects, but ask any random consumer about them and see how many people remember that they exist.
 
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