Michael's Manhood Thread - 18+ (Read The First Post For Rules!)

Girls, I can feel an essay coming on so apologies in advance. Yesterday's frustration has calmed down a lot but is still simmering. I have to get this off my chest. It's the usual stuff - interviews and all the things we never learnt about Michael because of the stupid stuff people asked him to talk about.

Couple of days ago I bumped a really old thread from 2010 which included an article from Bass Player magazine. There was an interview with Alex Al (bass player for TII) and assessments of all the bass players Michael worked with through his adult solo career. I was thrilled, it's a really good piece. I just about lost my mind over it. I want to quote a few bits over here:

"There's a revealing exchange about five minutes into This Is It, the documentary about the late Michael Jackson’s planned world tour, in which the Gloved One is encouraging his keyboardist to play the answer riff to the penetrating bass line of “Wanna Be Startin’ Something” funkier. “It’s not there yet,” he says gently, before singing the entire two-measure groove flawlessly in the pocket, while playing air bass. Real bass seems to have always been at the forefront of Jackson’s music, whether it came from studio savants in Detroit, Los Angeles, Philadelphia, and New York, or his landmark use of synth bass that remains in vogue to this day." (Bass Player mag; emphasis added)

After Michael says 'It's not there yet', he goes on to say, still in a very gentle tone of voice - 'We'll get there'.

You can see what he said, right? OK, so most of the reviews I saw were positive but there was one which had a huge mistake (misrepresentation?). The journalist quoted Michael as having said, 'Well, GET there'.

I'm just gonna leave that there. 😫


"What kind of bass directions would Michael give?"

"It was usually more performance-oriented than specific. So even on a steady, repetitive part like “Billie Jean,” he would say, “You know, Alex, it doesn’t necessarily have to feel the same at the end as it does in the intro.” (Alex Al; BP magazine)

I love this little anecdote. This is exactly the sort of little insight I'd be hoping for from my fantasy series of interviews. Just little details that give us a better picture of Michael at work, how his mind works etc.


"Michael had a term he would use a lot: Keep the rock funky and keep the funk rockin’." (Alex Al; BP magazine)

This made me laugh. This isn't included in TII, at least not in the original cinema version, but I can almost hear Michael saying this. Love it.


"Personally, we’re talking about someone who would come in each day and ask me if it was okay to put his towel on my keyboard rack!" (Alex Al; BP magazine)

And there he is, lovely Michael, being so polite, so sweet, so thoughtful. The man had so much grace, not just physical but in every sense.

And just to wrap this up, a lovely little anecdote from Louis Johnson:

"What I’ll always cherish is the fun and excitement of playing live together on the Off the Wall sessions—Michael and everybody laughing, knowing we were making magic. After a take we’d all race to the control room, knocking each other out of the way for the best seat, while yelling, turn it up!"
(Louis Johnson; BP magazine)

That's how I like to think about Michael, working hard but having fun. Being with his team, his little gang. People who understood him.

Anyway, I'm done. I suppose one day I'll be able to be very Zen about all of this and not be consumed with ridiculous levels of frustration. It's not even a good use of my energy or time. I'm not there yet. I'll just have to let it play out, I guess.

As you were! :D
 
@zinniabooklover Awe dear, this was absolutely splendid! I read through that too with the same thought set, and my word I can just see Michael in that light, even saying the things he said, it just makes me smile so big. It's such a touching and yet positive insight and interview. 😃
 
I plan to reply to all the stuff above in a little bit! But I just came across this YouTube short while procrastinating work and it absolutely cracked me up. I had to share it.


Are we essentially these girls all grown up? LMAO

One of the comments on the video -- "40 years later and girls are still just as thirsty for him" -- truer words have never been spoken.
 
I plan to reply to all the stuff above in a little bit! But I just came across this YouTube short while procrastinating work and it absolutely cracked me up. I had to share it.


Are we essentially these girls all grown up? LMAO

One of the comments on the video -- "40 years later and girls are still just as thirsty for him" -- truer words have never been spoken.
We absolutely are! LMAO! :ROFLMAO:

Such true words lol and it was such a cute clip!
 
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We absolutely are! LMAO! :ROFLMAO:

Such true words lol and it was such a cute clip!
I know!!! I feel such a kinship with these girls lol. Though I would never say my favorite thing about Michael is "his body" as the one girl said, I 100% understand that sentiment lol. Also I love that the girl said his eyes are magical. THEY ARE! They so are.
 
"But if I didn't die, I genuinely believe I would have abandoned my entire life to follow him around haha. SO ridiculous, but so true."

Dropping this over here from the Bad tour/arena venues thread. Weird how I always feel so much more comfortable over here on Manhood. 🤔

Anyway, re your comment above, well, Talitha Linehan has already done that. She moved to the US from Europe and then when Michael was in Las Vegas she rented a place out there. And she did get to know Michael and spent time with him. And then wrote a book about it.
 
Girls, I can feel an essay coming on so apologies in advance. Yesterday's frustration has calmed down a lot but is still simmering. I have to get this off my chest. It's the usual stuff - interviews and all the things we never learnt about Michael because of the stupid stuff people asked him to talk about.

Couple of days ago I bumped a really old thread from 2010 which included an article from Bass Player magazine. There was an interview with Alex Al (bass player for TII) and assessments of all the bass players Michael worked with through his adult solo career. I was thrilled, it's a really good piece. I just about lost my mind over it. I want to quote a few bits over here:

"There's a revealing exchange about five minutes into This Is It, the documentary about the late Michael Jackson’s planned world tour, in which the Gloved One is encouraging his keyboardist to play the answer riff to the penetrating bass line of “Wanna Be Startin’ Something” funkier. “It’s not there yet,” he says gently, before singing the entire two-measure groove flawlessly in the pocket, while playing air bass. Real bass seems to have always been at the forefront of Jackson’s music, whether it came from studio savants in Detroit, Los Angeles, Philadelphia, and New York, or his landmark use of synth bass that remains in vogue to this day." (Bass Player mag; emphasis added)

After Michael says 'It's not there yet', he goes on to say, still in a very gentle tone of voice - 'We'll get there'.

You can see what he said, right? OK, so most of the reviews I saw were positive but there was one which had a huge mistake (misrepresentation?). The journalist quoted Michael as having said, 'Well, GET there'.

I'm just gonna leave that there. 😫


"What kind of bass directions would Michael give?"

"It was usually more performance-oriented than specific. So even on a steady, repetitive part like “Billie Jean,” he would say, “You know, Alex, it doesn’t necessarily have to feel the same at the end as it does in the intro.” (Alex Al; BP magazine)

I love this little anecdote. This is exactly the sort of little insight I'd be hoping for from my fantasy series of interviews. Just little details that give us a better picture of Michael at work, how his mind works etc.


"Michael had a term he would use a lot: Keep the rock funky and keep the funk rockin’." (Alex Al; BP magazine)

This made me laugh. This isn't included in TII, at least not in the original cinema version, but I can almost hear Michael saying this. Love it.


"Personally, we’re talking about someone who would come in each day and ask me if it was okay to put his towel on my keyboard rack!" (Alex Al; BP magazine)

And there he is, lovely Michael, being so polite, so sweet, so thoughtful. The man had so much grace, not just physical but in every sense.

And just to wrap this up, a lovely little anecdote from Louis Johnson:

"What I’ll always cherish is the fun and excitement of playing live together on the Off the Wall sessions—Michael and everybody laughing, knowing we were making magic. After a take we’d all race to the control room, knocking each other out of the way for the best seat, while yelling, turn it up!"
(Louis Johnson; BP magazine)

That's how I like to think about Michael, working hard but having fun. Being with his team, his little gang. People who understood him.

Anyway, I'm done. I suppose one day I'll be able to be very Zen about all of this and not be consumed with ridiculous levels of frustration. It's not even a good use of my energy or time. I'm not there yet. I'll just have to let it play out, I guess.

As you were! :D

I don't think I have a TON to add to this discussion, but I love everything you shared here. One of my absolute favorite things about Michael is how much he emphasizes the way things feel. He talked about this with dancing, how the worst thing a dancer could do is think, and why they had to let themselves feel their way through the music, and become the music. He talks about that in the feedback he gave others, like in some of the examples above. This extends into just who he was as a person. I love how kind he was, how polite, how emotionally open. I love that he openly talked about crying and the deep feelings he experienced, good and bad. It is such a rare quality in a man, or at least it feels like it is. He was so many things at once. So talented, so brilliant, so kind, so loving, and just utterly beautiful in every way.
 
I don't think I have a TON to add to this discussion, but I love everything you shared here. One of my absolute favorite things about Michael is how much he emphasizes the way things feel. He talked about this with dancing, how the worst thing a dancer could do is think, and why they had to let themselves feel their way through the music, and become the music. He talks about that in the feedback he gave others, like in some of the examples above. This extends into just who he was as a person. I love how kind he was, how polite, how emotionally open. I love that he openly talked about crying and the deep feelings he experienced, good and bad. It is such a rare quality in a man, or at least it feels like it is. He was so many things at once. So talented, so brilliant, so kind, so loving, and just utterly beautiful in every way.
I also love it that he talked so openly about crying. Also about praying. He never shied away from that. The pop world doesn't 'do' God and doesn't know how to handle someone who talks so freely and openly about their faith but Michael never let that stop him from saying what he wanted to say.
 
"But if I didn't die, I genuinely believe I would have abandoned my entire life to follow him around haha. SO ridiculous, but so true."

Dropping this over here from the Bad tour/arena venues thread. Weird how I always feel so much more comfortable over here on Manhood. 🤔

Anyway, re your comment above, well, Talitha Linehan has already done that. She moved to the US from Europe and then when Michael was in Las Vegas she rented a place out there. And she did get to know Michael and spent time with him. And then wrote a book about it.

LOL I totally feel more comfortable on the Manhood thread than anywhere else. Because only a handful of us actively participate in this one (lurkers, please reveal yourselves at least in 'liking' our posts! lol) I am mostly worried I'm going to come off totally unhinged to people in other threads who don't "know" me and my particular style of writing about Michael lol. I remember back in the day I used to add asides to my posts in here and remind people that I'm actually a very normal person lol.

But yeah, I get it completely!

Oh and what's funny is that as much as I feel like I would have genuinely wanted to follow him everywhere, it makes me uncomfortable when I realize people actually DID do that. Like, for real. I haven't read her book, so I'm not judging that or anything. It just kind of feels strange to me to imagine. So it's like, on one hand it makes emotional sense to me with how in love with him I am now, that if I had been in love with him while he were alive I would have been wild enough to do that. But knowing that actually did happen, for real....it makes me a little uneasy. Idk if that makes sense!
 
I also love it that he talked so openly about crying. Also about praying. He never shied away from that. The pop world doesn't 'do' God and doesn't know how to handle someone who talks so freely and openly about their faith but Michael never let that stop him from saying what he wanted to say.
I totally agree! I am not a very traditionally faithful person, as in I don't personally ascribe to any religion. But I consider myself to be a spiritual person and his openness about everything with his spiritual beliefs and love of God is meaningful to me!
 
Oh and what's funny is that as much as I feel like I would have genuinely wanted to follow him everywhere, it makes me uncomfortable when I realize people actually DID do that. Like, for real. I haven't read her book, so I'm not judging that or anything. It just kind of feels strange to me to imagine. So it's like, on one hand it makes emotional sense to me with how in love with him I am now, that if I had been in love with him while he were alive I would have been wild enough to do that. But knowing that actually did happen, for real....it makes me a little uneasy. Idk if that makes sense!
Makes total sense. Makes me uneasy as well. This whole thing is quite tricky and I don't even want to say too much about it - although it was me that brought it up, now I come to think about it.

Anyway, I haven't read her book and don't plan to. I've listened to the interviews and they are interesting. I read an excerpt of the book and that was boring. But mostly it's just the whole thing kind of doesn't sit well with me. Plus, I can't handle the sad aspect of it. It does seem as if Michael liked these 'superfans' and was pleased to see them and was very generous with his time and told them that their presence made him feel less lonely (IIRC). All of which is fine and lovely but if I could wave a magic wand for Michael I would want him to have real friends in his life. These fans were there at the end of Michael's life and it's all very emotional and they really, really cared about his well-being and tried to help him. One of them even had her emails regarding her concerns about Michael's health (TII era) used in the court case against AEG. So they weren't a negative presence in his life but I still think it says stuff about the reality of Michael's life that I just can't bear to think about.

Obviously these fans weren't horrible. They weren't stalking him or anything creepy. They just had some nice conversations with him. But it still is all a bit weird to me.
 
Oh and what's funny is that as much as I feel like I would have genuinely wanted to follow him everywhere, it makes me uncomfortable when I realize people actually DID do that. Like, for real. I haven't read her book, so I'm not judging that or anything. It just kind of feels strange to me to imagine. So it's like, on one hand it makes emotional sense to me with how in love with him I am now, that if I had been in love with him while he were alive I would have been wild enough to do that. But knowing that actually did happen, for real....it makes me a little uneasy. Idk if that makes sense!
I read some in the book by his bodyguards (did not finish, it felt sad), that Michael had that kind of relationship with his fans. Some just stayed peacefully in front of his house, waiting for him to appear on the window or drive out. He would often stop, wave to them, sometimes talk to them, send water etc. Apparently he even defended to police to let his fans stay on his property when other celebrity neighbours complained about them blocking the road etc. All this from the book, though sounds quite believable. In fact one of the members of this forum wrote about giving him the 'curls for my girls' t-shirt. I understand what was going through those fan's minds when they abandoned parts of their lives to sit in front of Michael's house. According to the book, it was all very peaceful and non-creepy devotion to Michael which he appreciated.
 
I read some in the book by his bodyguards (did not finish, it felt sad), that Michael had that kind of relationship with his fans. Some just stayed peacefully in front of his house, waiting for him to appear on the window or drive out. He would often stop, wave to them, sometimes talk to them, send water etc. Apparently he even defended to police to let his fans stay on his property when other celebrity neighbours complained about them blocking the road etc. All this from the book, though sounds quite believable. In fact one of the members of this forum wrote about giving him the 'curls for my girls' t-shirt. I understand what was going through those fan's minds when they abandoned parts of their lives to sit in front of Michael's house. According to the book, it was all very peaceful and non-creepy devotion to Michael which he appreciated.
Exactly. No creepiness. No harrasment.

Can't spell. Brisbane 1987.
 
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