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The Discussion of MJ's Unreleased Tracks

On Reddit, a while ago Ryan Arnold answered some questions. He confirmed that a song called Basszouille exists and is close to the song Little Suzie. This song would date from 1993. No information if there are voices of MJ however.

Ryan Arnold also mentioned that there is a Tabloid Junkie demo called Tabloid Jungle. This demo was made after BAD and would be transformed by Jam and Lewis.
"Tabloid Junkie for example, was originally called Tabloid Jungle and sounded mostly complete, just very dated and a slightly different lyrical focus."
"It was a song he recorded just after the Bad album. I don't know the exact year, but the version we heard initially was completely different. Jam and Lewis collaborated to change the song pretty drastically."

During the seminar in Cologne in 2015 with Brad Sundberg and Brad Buxer, the song Jungle would date from the History sessions. I feel more like it's Tabloid Jungle rather than Dr. Freeze's Jungle City demo. Maybe @Harun can confirm that for us?

All this information is available here:
https://www.reddit.com/r/MichaelJackson/comments/bhi3u6
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Thanks for sharing @SmoothMel7

I love Tabloid Junkie, I didn't know it originated from the late 80's/early 90's. That's interesting

I'd love to know more about the Dangerous/HIStory sessions. It seems like for HIStory Mike went back into the vault and polished a few songs for the new album, rather just create all new material. It's great those songs found a home
 
mj_frenzy said:
Brad Sundberg had already played 'Face' (in one of his seminars) by January 2014.
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Yeah, and if you would have scrolled down in that thread, instead of isolating one response, you would have seen that @AlwaysThere corrects himself, just one day later, and mentions hearing about ‘Faces’ being played at the seminar.

“I remember hearing about that [Faces]! Personally, I would guess that that song was recorded before HIStory, as technical director Rob Hoffman never heard it and he heard pretty much every song Michael worked on during those sessions.”
 
The news about victory is old, I have known that for many years. Why do you all seem surprised, if even I know about its very rough state then so should all of you lol
 
Lotfi11k said:
Jane is groupie in YouTube only one word repeat there is more vocals not released ?somewhere in time have vocals ?
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Brad Sundberg just played a part of the chorus of the song, which suggests that a more complete version (with more vocals) exists.

Note that recording engineers, producers, etc (who worked with Michael Jackson) in certain cases do not play the full versions of the singer's unreleased songs (in their seminars, live streams, etc) for fear of these songs being recorded by people and thus later get leaked.
SmoothMel7 said:
On Reddit, a while ago Ryan Arnold answered some questions. He confirmed that a song called Basszouille exists and is close to the song Little Suzie. This song would date from 1993.
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@SmoothMel7, thanks for that confirmation about the existence of the 'Basszouille' song.
 
SmoothMel7 said:
No information if there are voices of MJ however.
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He said something about the song sounding like the instrumental of Little Susie and the voice sounding like the vocals of Carousel IIRC so it has vocals in some form.

Has the AMA ever been verified though? Anyone can come up and make fake AMAs otherwise.
 
SmoothGangsta said:
They'd probably have more if they were willing to work with people or bothered to look for stuff.
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The thing is that they also want the songs to be a commercial success so even if there's a song with full vocals out there the Estate may not even consider it because it's not good enough for them. Counting leaks I say they only have enough songs for 2-3 albums like Xscape.
 
SmoothMel7 said:
On Reddit, a while ago Ryan Arnold answered some questions. He confirmed that a song called Basszouille exists and is close to the song Little Suzie. This song would date from 1993. No information if there are voices of MJ however.

Ryan Arnold also mentioned that there is a Tabloid Junkie demo called Tabloid Jungle. This demo was made after BAD and would be transformed by Jam and Lewis.
"Tabloid Junkie for example, was originally called Tabloid Jungle and sounded mostly complete, just very dated and a slightly different lyrical focus."
"It was a song he recorded just after the Bad album. I don't know the exact year, but the version we heard initially was completely different. Jam and Lewis collaborated to change the song pretty drastically."

During the seminar in Cologne in 2015 with Brad Sundberg and Brad Buxer, the song Jungle would date from the History sessions. I feel more like it's Tabloid Jungle rather than Dr. Freeze's Jungle City demo. Maybe @Harun can confirm that for us?

All this information is available here:
https://www.reddit.com/r/MichaelJackson/comments/bhi3u6
/
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I stand corrected!

Odd that Bruce and Rob Hoffman couldn’t recall it though. Perhaps it DOES exist, just not as a Bruce collaboration.
 
AlwaysThere said:
I stand corrected!

Odd that Bruce and Rob Hoffman couldn’t recall it though. Perhaps it DOES exist, just not as a Bruce collaboration.
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I think it's just an internet rumor for a collaboration with Bruce. And then a collaborator cann't necessarily remember everything!
 
mj_frenzy said:
Brad Sundberg just played a part of the chorus of the song, which suggests that a more complete version (with more vocals) exists.

Note that recording engineers, producers, etc (who worked with Michael Jackson) in certain cases do not play the full versions of the singer's unreleased songs (in their seminars, live streams, etc) for fear of these songs being recorded by people and thus later get leaked.

@SmoothMel7, thanks for that confirmation about the existence of the 'Basszouille' song.
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Are u sure there is more vocals about Jane is groupie .what about deep in the night ? Stand tall ?
 
Lotfi11k said:
Are u sure there is more vocals about Jane is groupie .what about deep in the night ? Stand tall ?
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“Jane Is a Groupie” is exactly what’s leaked. There’s nothing else in existence for it.

“Deep in the Night” is chorus only.

“Stand Tall” doesn’t feature MJ’s voice.
 
ChanceToDance said:
Now please someone ask him about Broken Chair, Bang Your Head, H20, Water and He Who Makes The Sky Gray so we can put the 2000s tracks to rest lmao
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I'm not really active anymore but I always like to throw in my 2 cents if it can be helpful. H20 has vocals, it's only a chorus though. Same thing with Hot Fun In The Summertime. Not sure about the others.
 
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mj_frenzy said:
Brad Sundberg just played a part of the chorus of the song, which suggests that a more complete version (with more vocals) exists.

Note that recording engineers, producers, etc (who worked with Michael Jackson) in certain cases do not play the full versions of the singer's unreleased songs (in their seminars, live streams, etc) for fear of these songs being recorded by people and thus later get leaked.

@SmoothMel7, thanks for that confirmation about the existence of the 'Basszouille' song.
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There is more of JIAG that hasn't leaked but you're not missing much.
 
Lotfi11k said:
Are u sure there is more vocals about Jane is groupie .what about deep in the night ? Stand tall ?
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There is more of both jane is a groupie and deep in the night. No clue if stand tall was ever actually recorded by michael.
 
mj_frenzy said:
Brad Sundberg just played a part of the chorus of the song, which suggests that a more complete version (with more vocals) exists.

Note that recording engineers, producers, etc (who worked with Michael Jackson) in certain cases do not play the full versions of the singer's unreleased songs (in their seminars, live streams, etc) for fear of these songs being recorded by people and thus later get leaked.

@SmoothMel7, thanks for that confirmation about the existence of the 'Basszouille' song.
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What u think about deep in the night have more vocals or no
 
Lotfi11k said:
Are u sure there is more vocals about Jane is groupie .what about deep in the night ? Stand tall ?
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Lotfi11k said:
What u think about deep in the night have more vocals or no
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Author Joseph Vogel writes, in his 'Man In The Music' book, that 'Deep In The Night' remained an unreleased track (from the 'Dangerous' album sessions).

It has also been said that the song has vocals on it (at least, the hook of it).

'Deep In The Night' has a duration of around 4 minutes.

'Deep In The Night' was one of the songs that Michael Jackson worked on with Bryan Loren for the 'Dangerous' album.

Michael Jackson apparently was not satisfied with 'Deep In The Night', hence the song's exclusion from the album.

Also, it appears that 'Jane Is A Groupie' has definitely more vocals on it.
 
mj_frenzy said:
Author Joseph Vogel writes, in his 'Man In The Music' book, that 'Deep In The Night' remained an unreleased track (from the 'Dangerous' album sessions).

It has also been said that the song has vocals on it (at least, the hook of it).

'Deep In The Night' has a duration of around 4 minutes.

'Deep In The Night' was one of the songs that Michael Jackson worked on with Bryan Loren for the 'Dangerous' album.

Michael Jackson apparently was not satisfied with 'Deep In The Night', hence the song's exclusion from the album.

Also, it appears that 'Jane Is A Groupie' has definitely more vocals on it.
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I spoke directly to Bryan Loren regarding Deep in the Night. He told me he did write a song called Deep in the Night, but it was for Invincible. It was NOT for anything prior to that. Just a pure coincidence.
 
Derek1984 said:
I spoke directly to Bryan Loren regarding Deep in the Night. He told me he did write a song called Deep in the Night, but it was for Invincible. It was NOT for anything prior to that. Just a pure coincidence.
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Byran didn't work with mj for Invincible, iirc their work ended with Dangerous after Michael replaced him with Teddy. Until of course Michael went back and finished "Superfly Soul Sister" and it was released on BOTDF. Don't believe Bryan ever did anything with him for Invincible though, hence why every single song we have from him is Dangerous era.
 
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mj_frenzy said:
Author Joseph Vogel writes, in his 'Man In The Music' book, that 'Deep In The Night' remained an unreleased track (from the 'Dangerous' album sessions).

It has also been said that the song has vocals on it (at least, the hook of it).

'Deep In The Night' has a duration of around 4 minutes.

'Deep In The Night' was one of the songs that Michael Jackson worked on with Bryan Loren for the 'Dangerous' album.

Michael Jackson apparently was not satisfied with 'Deep In The Night', hence the song's exclusion from the album.

Also, it appears that 'Jane Is A Groupie' has definitely more vocals on it.
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What about call it off and men in black .Michael McKiller . Turning me off
 
mj_frenzy said:
Author Joseph Vogel writes, in his 'Man In The Music' book, that 'Deep In The Night' remained an unreleased track (from the 'Dangerous' album sessions). It has also been said that the song has vocals on it (at least, the hook of it). 'Deep In The Night' has a duration of around 4 minutes. 'Deep In The Night' was one of the songs that Michael Jackson worked on with Bryan Loren for the 'Dangerous' album. Michael Jackson apparently was not satisfied with 'Deep In The Night', hence the song's exclusion from the album. Also, it appears that 'Jane Is A Groupie' has definitely more vocals on it.
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mj_frenzy said:
Author Joseph Vogel writes, in his 'Man In The Music' book, that 'Deep In The Night' remained an unreleased track (from the 'Dangerous' album sessions). It has also been said that the song has vocals on it (at least, the hook of it). 'Deep In The Night' has a duration of around 4 minutes. 'Deep In The Night' was one of the songs that Michael Jackson worked on with Bryan Loren for the 'Dangerous' album. Michael Jackson apparently was not satisfied with 'Deep In The Night', hence the song's exclusion from the album. Also, it appears that 'Jane Is A Groupie' has definitely more vocals on it.
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Derek1984 said:
I spoke directly to Bryan Loren regarding Deep in the Night. He told me he did write a song called Deep in the Night, but it was for Invincible. It was NOT for anything prior to that. Just a pure coincidence.
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mj_frenzy said:
Author Joseph Vogel writes, in his 'Man In The Music' book, that 'Deep In The Night' remained an unreleased track (from the 'Dangerous' album sessions).

It has also been said that the song has vocals on it (at least, the hook of it).

'Deep In The Night' has a duration of around 4 minutes.

'Deep In The Night' was one of the songs that Michael Jackson worked on with Bryan Loren for the 'Dangerous' album.

Michael Jackson apparently was not satisfied with 'Deep In The Night', hence the song's exclusion from the album.

Also, it appears that 'Jane Is A Groupie' has definitely more vocals on it.
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What you think about alright now and your the one
 
ChanceToDance said:
Confirmed Releasable:
Chicago 1945
What A Lovely Way To Go/Lovely Way
I Was The Loser
Man In Black
Stop Throwing Your Life Away
I'm Dreaming
Angel
Do You Love Me
I Have This Dream
Alright Now
Crack Kills
Get Your Weight Off Of Me
What You Do To Me
Buffalo Bill
1 RedOne Song
The Toy
Little Susie (1979)


Incomplete but has vocals/confirmed to have vocals:
Rocker
Boy No
Rolling The Dice
Saturday Woman
Hot Fun In The Summertime
Don't Believe It
Changes
Innocent Man
7 Digits
Victory
Monster
What You Do To Me (1998)
Willing And Waiting
Make Or Break
Remember What I Told You/Just Remember
Turning Me Off
Rich Girl
Colorblind
Neverland Landing
Make A Wish
It Don't Matter To Me


No vocals/No MJ vocals:
D.I.E
Adore You
Christmas Song
Shut Up And Dance
That
Butterfunk
Thank Heaven
Red Eye
6 Ne-Yo Songs
Iowa
Bang Your Head
Light The Way
From The Bottom Of My Heart
Loving You (2003)
Stand Tall
Breed
Too Late To Turn Back Now
Jungle City
Lady Of Summer
King Tutankhamen
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No word on michael McKellar or Lucy is in love with linus?
 
ChanceToDance said:
Confirmed Releasable:
Chicago 1945
What A Lovely Way To Go/Lovely Way
I Was The Loser
Man In Black
Stop Throwing Your Life Away
I'm Dreaming
Angel
Do You Love Me
I Have This Dream
Alright Now
Crack Kills
Get Your Weight Off Of Me
What You Do To Me
Buffalo Bill
1 RedOne Song
The Toy
Little Susie (1979)


Incomplete but has vocals/confirmed to have vocals:
Rocker
Boy No
Rolling The Dice
Saturday Woman
Hot Fun In The Summertime
Don't Believe It
Changes
Innocent Man
7 Digits
Victory
Monster
What You Do To Me (1998)
Willing And Waiting
Make Or Break
Remember What I Told You/Just Remember
Turning Me Off
Rich Girl
Colorblind
Neverland Landing
Make A Wish
It Don't Matter To Me


No vocals/No MJ vocals:
D.I.E
Adore You
Christmas Song
Shut Up And Dance
That
Butterfunk
Thank Heaven
Red Eye
6 Ne-Yo Songs
Iowa
Bang Your Head
Light The Way
From The Bottom Of My Heart
Loving You (2003)
Stand Tall
Breed
Too Late To Turn Back Now
Jungle City
Lady Of Summer
King Tutankhamen
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What do you consider as “releasable”? I assume anything with a full vocal. I wouldn’t say “Get Your Weight Off Of Me” is releasable. I really hope they never try to dig that one out and use it. Also are “Angel” and “Do You Love Me” confirmed to exist? The source of them is a Babyface interview but I don’t believe it was found.
 
Clay7 said:
What do you consider as “releasable”? I assume anything with a full vocal. I wouldn’t say “Get Your Weight Off Of Me” is releasable. I really hope they never try to dig that one out and use it. Also are “Angel” and “Do You Love Me” confirmed to exist? The source of them is a Babyface interview but I don’t believe it was found.
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Indeed, impossible to get my hands on this interview, I would very much like to get my hands on it.
 
mj_frenzy said:
Brad Sundberg praised 'Willing And Waiting', and it is one of Brad Sundberg's favourite outtakes.

This suggests that 'Willing And Waiting' exists as a complete (vocally and musically) song.

The recording engineer also stated that the song did not eventually make the 'HIStory' album because it was too soft to get included on that aggressive album.

The case of 'Willing And Waiting' is therefore similar to that of the 'On The Line' song (another Babyface-produced outtake from that album which did not eventually make the final track list because of the same reason).
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On the line is one of my favourite MJ tracks out there! It's perfect, Babyface meets MJ = PURE MAGIC!
 
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