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The Discussion of MJ's Unreleased Tracks

SmoothCriminal1995 said:
If all this new information is definitive, my question is what did MJ do at the studio between 1991- 2008?
Did he just hang out and chill?

Seriously regarding unreleased material, it's tough to do when everything seems bleak but you have to remain positive.

I'm not disagreeing with anything Damien kindly shared, but he hasn't heard everything and neither have the Estate for that matter
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Lead vocals were almost always the last element recorded in the studio. Since MJ’s production methods were rather slow and methodical, this meant waiting until he was satisfied with the music. Sometimes this took days or weeks; other times it took years and years.

“Price of Fame,” for example, was fully recorded over a three or four day span in January 1986, and was never thought about again after 1991. Compare that to “Hollywood Tonight,” which was brought up countless times over a full decade and still doesn’t have a bridge or third verse.

On top of that, “in the studio” means a lot of things. Sometimes he was recording; other times he was holding group dinners or entertaining guests; other times he was playing board or video games; other times he would pop in for a few hours to do some judgmental work then disappear for days or weeks on end. That’s just how he was.

There are still dozens of song titles that we have next to no information on, and I’m hoping there are some usable tracks there. But in truth, Damien’s recent revelations have made me realize that in all likelihood we’ve almost run the vault dry of “finished” music. What a shame.
 
AdeZ said:
which names are you referring to?
I heard some Loren tracks but those were fully instrumental.
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All the truth .call it off .truth about youth .men in black .all truth you need .seven digits .don't believe it. Stay .deep in the night
There is more i dont know them. Which songs you heard ?
 
SmoothCriminal1995 said:
If all this new information is definitive, my question is what did MJ do at the studio between 1991- 2008?
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Note that Michael Jackson also used to work in his home studio with his B-team.

A B-team was a team that helped him to work on producing demos for his new songs that were meant for a new studio album.

Then, he was driven to the studio so as to officially record these songs with his A-team.

It is interesting also that his main interest aimed at the chorus of the new songs.

If he liked the chorus (that he just sang and recorded), then he would proceed singing and recording the rest of the vocals (verses, bridges, ad-libs).

If did not like the chorus (that he just sang and recorded), he would usually abandon singing and recording the rest of the vocals.
AlwaysThere said:
On top of that, “in the studio” means a lot of things. Sometimes he was recording; other times he was holding group dinners or entertaining guests; other times he was playing board or video games; other times he would pop in for a few hours to do some judgmental work then disappear for days or weeks on end. That’s just how he was.
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Being in the studio also meant some other very important things for Michael Jackson.

For example, as revealed by Brad Sundberg, Michael Jackson used to arrive in the studio some hours earlier, accompanied by his vocal coach Seth Riggs, in order to sing scales.

Singing scales was very important for Michael Jackson because it helped him to improve his pitch memory.

Singing scales would usually last 2 hours, and at the same time sound engineers, producers, etc would set up the microphones, check the equipments, and so on.
 
mj_frenzy said:
Note that Michael Jackson also used to work in his home studio with his B-team.

A B-team was a team that helped him to work on producing demos for his new songs that were meant for a new studio album.

Then, he was driven to the studio so as to officially record these songs with his A-team.
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The so-called B-Team wasn’t a general “team that helped him [to] work on producing demos”, it was a small group of musicians which consisted of Matt Forger, John Barnes, Bill Bottrell and Chris Currell, and it only existed between 1985 and 1987. The B-Team worked on demos at the Hayvenhurst home, for the Bad album.

This group of guys served almost as the antithesis of Quincy’s own A-Team, in a sense, which Bruce Swedien was also a part of. While the A-Team was under the strict guidance of Quincy, the B-Team was allowed to be much more free and experimental, hence why Michael created a company in 1985, alongside John Barnes, called “Experiments In Sound”.

While some of these guys did work with Michael in later years, now and again, they never came back together, all four of them, for any other session after 87’.
 
dethorro said:
The so-called B-Team wasn’t a general “team that helped him [to] work on producing demos”, it was a small group of musicians which consisted of Matt Forger, John Barnes, Bill Bottrell and Chris Currell, and it only existed between 1985 and 1987. The B-Team worked on demos at the Hayvenhurst home, for the Bad album.

This group of guys served almost as the antithesis of Quincy’s own A-Team, in a sense, which Bruce Swedien was also a part of. While the A-Team was under the strict guidance of Quincy, the B-Team was allowed to be much more free and experimental, hence why Michael created a company in 1985, alongside John Barnes, called “Experiments In Sound”.

While some of these guys did work with Michael in later years, now and again, they never came back together, all four of them, for any other session after 87’.
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The B-Team is linked to the 'BAD' album sessions, but Michael Jackson used to work in his home studio with a small team of people also on other albums (in a similar way like the B-Team).

For example, that also happened for the 'Off The Wall' album, or for certain albums released by The Jacksons when he was helped with his preproduction work.
 
Derek1984 said:
I just spoke to Patrick Conneen. These are confirmed to be studio demos written by Conneen but with NO Michael Jackson vocals on them.
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So there are no songs sung by MJ from the collaboration with Patrick Conneen?
 
Hess said:
I am not at all confused about MJ's unreleased tracks anymore... :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO:
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If men in black have more vocals it will be best song MJ recorded
 
I once read somewhere that MJ recorded a Duet with Whitney Houston, can someone tell me anything about that? Or was this a hoax😜. Thanks
 
rbn said:
I once read somewhere that MJ recorded a Duet with Whitney Houston, can someone tell me anything about that? Or was this a hoax😜. Thanks
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The supposed 'Days Of The Broken Hearted' duet was mentioned by several press reports in 2007 (when Michael Jackson and Whitney Houston were working on their respective, studio albums).

In 2015, the topic resurfaced by Legacy Recordings which tweeted about the 'Days Of The Broken Hearted' duet.

Sony was then (in 2015) asking fans to hashtag that duet in order to get a release as a single.

But again nothing substantial came of that, and the tweet was later deleted.

According to people from Whitney Houston's camp, she never recorded a duet called 'Days Of The Broken Hearted' with Michael Jackson.
 
mj_frenzy said:
The B-Team is linked to the 'BAD' album sessions, but Michael Jackson used to work in his home studio with a small team of people also on other albums (in a similar way like the B-Team).
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That's not what you wrote in your original post. @SmoothCriminal1995 was asking about what Michael did in the studio between 1991 and 2008. You answered by referring to the B-Team, which had nothing to do with any session after 1987.

And no, there was no particular fixed small team of people working with Michael in his home studio before Bad, which was similar to the B-Team.

For Off The Wall and Thriller, Michael mostly had his brothers come in and lay down tracks for his home demos. Occasionally, other people might come in and record their instruments, like David Williams, but these people were not part of a particular team that Michael had assembled, nor were they working for him on a daily basis either.

After 1987, there was no home studio available, at which Michael could work in the pre-production stages of recording an album. There was a very small studio-like room at Neverland, but it was not suited for recording. In fact, when Michael recorded "Days In Gloucestershire" in 2004, he recorded it in one of the guest bungalows on the property.

One could argue that Brad Buxer and Michael Prince took on the role of some of the guys from the B-Team, however, they also worked with Michael in the studio alongside other producers (e.g. Teddy Riley, Rodney Jerkins, e.t.c.), weren't "hidden" in the same way the B-Team had been and even worked on live performances, so their role was much more sophisticated.
 
dethorro said:
That's not what you wrote in your original post. @SmoothCriminal1995 was asking about what Michael did in the studio between 1991 and 2008. You answered by referring to the B-Team, which had nothing to do with any session after 1987.

And no, there was no particular fixed small team of people working with Michael in his home studio before Bad, which was similar to the B-Team.

For Off The Wall and Thriller, Michael mostly had his brothers come in and lay down tracks for his home demos. Occasionally, other people might come in and record their instruments, like David Williams, but these people were not part of a particular team that Michael had assembled, nor were they working for him on a daily basis either.

After 1987, there was no home studio available, at which Michael could work in the pre-production stages of recording an album. There was a very small studio-like room at Neverland, but it was not suited for recording. In fact, when Michael recorded "Days In Gloucestershire" in 2004, he recorded it in one of the guest bungalows on the property.

One could argue that Brad Buxer and Michael Prince took on the role of some of the guys from the B-Team, however, they also worked with Michael in the studio alongside other producers (e.g. Teddy Riley, Rodney Jerkins, e.t.c.), weren't "hidden" in the same way the B-Team had been and even worked on live performances, so their role was much more sophisticated.
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After 1987, Michael Jackson also used to work (on preproduction work) in his home studio with a small team of people (in a similar way like the B-Team).

For example, it is known that during the 'Dangerous' album sessions, the workplace of his small team was also located in Neverland.

And when the team was working there, people from his small team were allowed (each Friday) to invite their family members to visit Neverland.
 
mj_frenzy said:
After 1987, Michael Jackson also used to work (on preproduction work) in his home studio with a small team of people (in a similar way like the B-Team).

For example, it is known that during the 'Dangerous' album sessions, the workplace of his small team was also located in Neverland.

And when the team was working there, people from his small team were allowed (each Friday) to invite their family members to visit Neverland.
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frenzy, ye are the definition of waffle, please stop spreading this shite with nothing to back it up.
 
 
Guys why don't ask Shana mangatal about the songs that she have
 
AlwaysThere said:
When asked about the material recorded with Brad Buxer, Michael Prince, and Neff-U, and how many are at least as complete as “Hollywood Tonight” (two verses, one chorus, and ad-libs):

Possibly none 🫣 Hollywood and The Loser demos are probably the closest to being “complete” - but are both still very much just demos. However, I believe the unreleased stuff from the Buxer/MP/Neff-U sessions would make an incredible “the unfinished ideas” type of release.

There are several unfinished ideas which are approximately the same level of completion as In The Back - like Rocker and Dark Lady - which, in my opinion, are much better than In The Back, and make for compelling listening. But that’s just my subjective opinion.
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I never realized you heard rocker and dark lady as well 🤩

Anyway agreed. I would not oppose a release of half finished songs, I listen regularly enough to tracks like people of the world, beautiful girl, in the back, days in gloucestershire. The basic idea and direction is there, it is cool.
 
filmandmusic said:
I never realized you heard rocker and dark lady as well 🤩

Anyway agreed. I would not oppose a release of half finished songs, I listen regularly enough to tracks like people of the world, beautiful girl, in the back, days in gloucestershire. The basic idea and direction is there, it is cool.
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Did u heard rocker and dark lady ?
 
filmandmusic said:
Oh no no, not me!
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Boy No" is similar to "Days in Gloucestershire" and "Beautiful Girl," with touches of "Human Nature," in terms of production, with a great melody. Michael only ever recorded a verse and chorus, so the Estate would need to call in a second singer if they ever wanted to release it, but it's apparently quite beautiful.

- "Rocker" is allegedly the most finished post-trial songs: proper vocals all the way throughout (albeit with a somewhat incoherent lyrical narrative) w/ some screaming in the final leg, guitar solo, etc. Parallels have been drawn between it and "They Don't Care About Us."

- "H2O/Dark Lady" has been described as having comeback hit potential, had Michael lived to finish and release it. It's got a characteristically earworm bass riff (evidently comparable to Queen's "Under Pressure"), a wonderful melody with a quasi-Arabic chorus, and modern production with synth orchestra hits. The verses are half-baked but the chorus is releasable as-is, so it could be a strong vehicle for a rapper's album, similar to how Drake flipped "Don't Matter to Me."

- "Remember What I Told You" was recorded around June 19, 2009, and is the last song Michael ever put vocals to. It's reportedly similar to "Speechless" in terms of tone, and only has a short verse and multi-layered chorus. It can't be finished in the same way "Boy No" could, but perhaps (in the words of the wonderful individual who told me) it could be a great intro or interlude on an album.

- There's a song called "She Don't Want Me" that sounds a bit like a modernized "The Way You Make Me Feel." There's only a few lines recorded that presumably would've been the chorus, but the melody is catchy.
This information correct ?
 
Lotfi11k said:
Boy No" is similar to "Days in Gloucestershire" and "Beautiful Girl," with touches of "Human Nature," in terms of production, with a great melody. Michael only ever recorded a verse and chorus, so the Estate would need to call in a second singer if they ever wanted to release it, but it's apparently quite beautiful.
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This one is probably fake, Damien said the song is somber and none of those songs are somber at all lol.
 
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