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The Discussion of MJ's Unreleased Tracks

ChanceToDance said:
This one is probably fake, Damien said the song is somber and none of those songs are somber at all lol.
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Not Damien who said that what about this .
Rocker" is allegedly the most finished post-trial songs: proper vocals all the way throughout (albeit with a somewhat incoherent lyrical narrative) w/ some screaming in the final leg, guitar solo, etc. Parallels have been drawn between it and "They Don't Care About Us."

- "H2O/Dark Lady" has been described as having comeback hit potential, had Michael lived to finish and release it. It's got a characteristically earworm bass riff (evidently comparable to Queen's "Under Pressure"), a wonderful melody with a quasi-Arabic chorus, and modern production with synth orchestra hits. The verses are half-baked but the chorus is releasable as-is, so it could be a strong vehicle for a rapper's album, similar to how Drake flipped "Don't Matter to Me."

- "Remember What I Told You" was recorded around June 19, 2009, and is the last song Michael ever put vocals to. It's reportedly similar to "Speechless" in terms of tone, and only has a short verse and multi-layered chorus. It can't be finished in the same way "Boy No" could, but perhaps (in the words of the wonderful individual who told me) it could be a great intro or interlude on an album.

- There's a song called "She Don't Want Me" that sounds a bit like a modernized "The Way You Make Me Feel." There's only a few lines recorded that presumably would've been the chorus, but the melody is catchy.
This information correct ?
 
Lotfi11k said:
Not Damien who said that what about this .
Rocker" is allegedly the most finished post-trial songs: proper vocals all the way throughout (albeit with a somewhat incoherent lyrical narrative) w/ some screaming in the final leg, guitar solo, etc. Parallels have been drawn between it and "They Don't Care About Us."

- "H2O/Dark Lady" has been described as having comeback hit potential, had Michael lived to finish and release it. It's got a characteristically earworm bass riff (evidently comparable to Queen's "Under Pressure"), a wonderful melody with a quasi-Arabic chorus, and modern production with synth orchestra hits. The verses are half-baked but the chorus is releasable as-is, so it could be a strong vehicle for a rapper's album, similar to how Drake flipped "Don't Matter to Me."

- "Remember What I Told You" was recorded around June 19, 2009, and is the last song Michael ever put vocals to. It's reportedly similar to "Speechless" in terms of tone, and only has a short verse and multi-layered chorus. It can't be finished in the same way "Boy No" could, but perhaps (in the words of the wonderful individual who told me) it could be a great intro or interlude on an album.

- There's a song called "She Don't Want Me" that sounds a bit like a modernized "The Way You Make Me Feel." There's only a few lines recorded that presumably would've been the chorus, but the melody is catchy.
This information correct ?
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I posted this based on second-hand information. I stand by it, though there are likely pieces that aren’t wholly accurate (like the recording date).
 
DanGerouS- said:
that's really weird then.
Why did LL say, they 'did' several songs...;(
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Idk, two possibilities come to mind. Either the mix I heard was done prior to LL's contribution or the LL's rap has been discarded for whatever reason.
 
Dug up some info on “I Have This Dream.” This is likely not breaking news to some of you, but this is the first I’m hearing of it, so perhaps it will be news to some of you as well!

In 2015, Ric Kipp, the independent songwriter who won the 2002 songwriting contest for “I Have This Dream,” announced that he would be releasing a cover version of the still-unreleased track. Listening to his rendition (sung by his collaborator Michael Ricks), the melody is the same as that on the long-leaked demo, which Damien Shields recently confirmed was the real deal. So, yes, the 2005 charity single was a repurposed demo from the Invincible sessions.

Some of you likely pieced this together already, but I was convinced that there were two separate songs with the same title. There were conflicting statements: John Barnes told the MJ Cast one thing (that it was the same song), court documents and independent observers from the 2008 lawsuit between MJ and Sheik Abdullah said another (that it was an original composition by the two of them). No clue what the truth is; perhaps Abdullah co-wrote the lyrics to the final track?

Whatever the case, this explains why the leaked track is so damn corny and chintzy. It’s cut from the same cloth as “You Are My Life,” another Sager-Foster co-write. But it also cuts yet another track from the list of tracks in existence.
 
considering "Rocker" and "H2O" really have a usable chorus, i'd be okay with a (real) rapper filling in and also use parts of the unfinished MJ verses for adlibs or as a background vocal.

because i said "real" rapper: no shitty drake, migos, pitbull or some other clown.
 
DanGerouS- said:
considering "Rocker" and "H2O" really have a usable chorus, i'd be okay with a (real) rapper filling in and also use parts of the unfinished MJ verses for adlibs or as a background vocal.
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They got plenty of options there.

Jay-Z
Tyler the Creator
Isaiah Rashad
Vince Staples
Kendrick Lamar
J-Cole
Anderson .Paak
Denzel Curry
Q-Tip
The remaining members of Run DMC
The Fugees
Will.I Am
Fats

Decent amount of the best modern day, best classic, and people MJ worked with and wanted to work with.
 
I would rather hear the songs the way it is and not have some rapper remix it and potentially make it worse, hopefully it's out on a collection album and not as a single or part of another rapper's album without us having the opportunity to hear the original version.

And also one of the songs is a rock song, how would a rapper fit in lol
 
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ChanceToDance said:
I would rather hear the songs the way it is and not have some rapper remix it and potentially make it worse, hopefully it's out on a collection album and not as a single or part of another rapper's album without the original version.

And also one of the songs is a rock song, how would a rapper fit in lol
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Yeah, the desire to have MJ's art changed and finished by others continues to confuse me.
 
SmoothGangsta said:
Yeah, the desire to have MJ's art changed and finished by others continues to confuse me.
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It are people who can‘t accept MJ is not in the charts anymore.
Sadly enough the Estate also can‘t accept this because they keep remixing his tracks. Actually I am very confused with T40 because there are no remixes and there is no attempt of creating another hitsingle.
But you just know they are working on a modernized sound for MJ…

For me unfinished tracks in the state of fall again, beautiful girl, in the back, hollywood tonight, days in gloucestershire, ghost of another lover are still very interesting as the core, the backbone of the tracks is finished. We clearly hear the direction he was going in with those. I am positive there are still a bunch of tracks left in this state.
 
filmandmusic said:
It are people who can‘t accept MJ is not in the charts anymore.
Sadly enough the Estate also can‘t accept this because they keep remixing his tracks. Actually I am very confused with T40 because there are no remixes and there is no attempt of creating another hitsingle.
But you just know they are working on a modernized sound for MJ…
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It seems like they WANT Thriller 40 to be a failure commercially, that way the estate can complain and say "why should we celebrate the anniversary of other MJ albums, we already know MJ anniversary reissues don't work well on the market :p"

Just kidding... unless 🤔
 
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