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I hope there is a platform that they make the 4K videos off of YouTube. There is always descaling on YouTube videos to reserve space... I'm excited either way though.
 
SmoothGangsta said:
Nah man I'm sorry but even the posts on the website read like they were written by a 5 year old with barely any info about the songs. Twitter having less characters has nothing to do with them not mentioning what song was being announced in the post, either.
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The amount of backstory they give is not good. That said still, all I'm saying is if you wanna see the title of the song, the website has it. Did I check the website every time? No, of course not. The least I am simply saying is they did do what he was asking. But idk, it wasn't that hard for me to look at the picture. It forced patience.
 
Mister_Jay_Tee said:
The amount of backstory they give is not good. That said still, all I'm saying is if you wanna see the title of the song, the website has it. Did I check the website every time? No, of course not. The least I am simply saying is they did do what he was asking. But idk, it wasn't that hard for me to look at the picture. It forced patience.
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It’s just inconvenient. Let’s say you’re a casual fan, and you haven’t been following the blurbs until a few weeks in, when there are already several titles revealed. “This song” is gonna confuse the hell out of you. And even though the website breaks it down further, I don’t think it should be our responsibility to seek out answers; they should just be there.
 
Now that the dust has settled with the official final tracklist, I gotta echo a number of people on here that its actually not terrible what we ended up with. Big grievences about the complete lack of promotion especially in the U.S aside, this bonus disc should be a fun listen, in addition to the remastered vinyl and SACD. I know at some point I'm going to burn a CD (I'm a sucker for physical media what can I say lol) with these bonus tracks as well as the highest quality FLAC versions of the tracks we already have but were omitted from this release to make my own full-on Thriller 40 presentation. I'd actually begun working on my own Thriller Demo/Outtakes project awhile back but kinda got busy with other stuff, so this will go a long way in maybe picking that little personal project up again and fill the rest of the CD running time.
 
AlwaysThere said:
It’s just inconvenient. Let’s say you’re a casual fan, and you haven’t been following the blurbs until a few weeks in, when there are already several titles revealed. “This song” is gonna confuse the hell out of you. And even though the website breaks it down further, I don’t think it should be our responsibility to seek out answers; they should just be there.
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Yeah, I'm really not understanding why song announcements that most people couldn't understand are being defended by saying they are more understandable elsewhere.
 
Okay, hear me out, this might be controversial:

Is the estate including CGOTR really any different from Michael himself including, for instance, Come Together on HIStory?
Firstly, it had already been released, similar to CGOTR, on material that could be considered a 'limited release' (Featured in Moonwalker and included as the B-Side of Remember the Time Single). As a result, many, if not most consumers won't have owned the track by the time it appeared on HIStory, like most consumers won't have previously owned CGOTR.

Secondly, like CGOTR, it wasn't recorded in, nor sounds like, the era of the material that it was released alongside. Come Together was recorded around 1985 and wasn't released commercially until 1992. From what can be gathered from Quincy's interview in that newspaper, it seems like CGOTR, despite being almost identical to You Can't Win, may have been recorded specifically as a Thriller B-Side.

Hopefully, you see what I mean. I just think there's a double standard for the practices that MJ himself engaged in and what the Estate engages in regarding selling fans the same songs twice.
I, for one, have never owned CGOTR and am looking forward to next Friday.
 
threepea11 said:
Holy crap! Their getting ready! I feel like they should‘ve released thriller in 4k first, then Billie Jean, then Beat It, imagine if they re-released the singles on the album so they could possibly get into the billboard again?
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Re-realising singles only made sense in the era of people going to record stores to buy physical music. In the era of digital downloading and streaming, where songs are always available and never go out of stock, it doesn't make any sense to re-release old music. The only way, a re-release of 40 year old songs can work nowadays is if you get a modern artist to release a remixed version. And I think I speak for all Michael fans, when I say that we absolutely do not need a crappy remix of Michael's classic hits.
 
Nite Line said:
Re-realising singles only made sense in the era of people going to record stores to buy physical music. In the era of digital downloading and streaming, where songs are always available and never go out of stock, it doesn't make any sense to re-release old music. The only way, a re-release of 40 year old songs can work nowadays is if you get a modern artist to release a remixed version. And I think I speak for all Michael fans, when I say that we absolutely do not need a crappy remix of Michael's classic hits.
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While I'm not a fan of remixes, personally, I have no problem with reinterpretations and such, IF the song is also readily available in its original state. I'm speaking moreso of posthumous releases, of course, a la Xscape. I do commend the estate for at least including the originals in the deluxe package. But, when there's only one "official" version of a track (a remix of "Hollywood Tonight" on Michael), I find it disappointing. I believe in sticking to the original vision, first and foremost.
 
robotchicken14 said:
Okay, hear me out, this might be controversial:

Is the estate including CGOTR really any different from Michael himself including, for instance, Come Together on HIStory?
Firstly, it had already been released, similar to CGOTR, on material that could be considered a 'limited release' (Featured in Moonwalker and included as the B-Side of Remember the Time Single). As a result, many, if not most consumers won't have owned the track by the time it appeared on HIStory, like most consumers won't have previously owned CGOTR.

Secondly, like CGOTR, it wasn't recorded in, nor sounds like, the era of the material that it was released alongside. Come Together was recorded around 1985 and wasn't released commercially until 1992. From what can be gathered from Quincy's interview in that newspaper, it seems like CGOTR, despite being almost identical to You Can't Win, may have been recorded specifically as a Thriller B-Side.

Hopefully, you see what I mean. I just think there's a double standard for the practices that MJ himself engaged in and what the Estate engages in regarding selling fans the same songs twice.
I, for one, have never owned CGOTR and am looking forward to next Friday.
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I completely agree, even though I am also part of the camp that doesn’t want that song anywhere near the second disc. CGOTR was first recorded years earlier, but MJ and Quincy repurposed it specifically as a B-side in 1982. It’s not like MJ hasn’t blurred the lines of album/era designation before—“Don’t Be Messin’ ‘Round” was released on Bad 25 despite being recorded for Thriller.

People absolutely hold the estate to a higher standard than they held MJ, which I do and don’t understand. I’ve seen too many comments calling Thriller 40 an insult to the best-selling album in history, while conveniently ignoring the godawful reissues MJ himself oversaw. The estate needs to do better than they are, but there’s a lot of double standards and hypocrisy at play.
 
Dangerous1991 said:
1/ Website is atrocious and everyone knows to get attention of the masses, social media is the avenue
2/ Fair point re. 1982 (technically it was recorded between 79-82 so has validity for OTW), tbh I'm more confused at the inclusion of CGOTR, I can be OK with SD if we had maximised all other Thriller material
3/ Haha - Yes, save two original Thriller outtakes for an album thats not related to Thriller - Think they call that a swing and a miss
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1. It's kinda complicated but I really don't disagree. Yet at the same time, they have the URL space, they kinda need some traffic for it. They should simply do a better job emphasizing that.

2. It's actually, again, kinda complicated. There's basically 2 versions, why we didn't get the actual version, blame Sony.

Tbh I just think The Ultimate Collection was a bad idea, way back then. It was a big retirement anthology release for an artist who wasn't retired, it just came out at the wrong time. MJ wanted to work and was just desperate to be rid of Sony and the Motolla Administration.

Meanwhile, CGOOTR does belong, but it belongs on Disc 3. It was a genuine rarity and overdubbed so it is a 1982 track in the most technical way. It is hard to come by. But again, they never promised only unreleased unleaked stuff on it, and including it somewhere still makes sense.

3. They've been mixing and matching eras, that's nothing new.

The estate has always been stingy with songs. MJs last album had 16 songs, everything they've done has just about been half of that. If they choose to put a B Side on the record to add to the illusion, then so be it. 6 new songs only like Bad 25, or 6 new Songs and another extra songs, we can choose what we prefer.
 
robotchicken14 said:
Okay, hear me out, this might be controversial:

Is the estate including CGOTR really any different from Michael himself including, for instance, Come Together on HIStory?
Firstly, it had already been released, similar to CGOTR, on material that could be considered a 'limited release' (Featured in Moonwalker and included as the B-Side of Remember the Time Single). As a result, many, if not most consumers won't have owned the track by the time it appeared on HIStory, like most consumers won't have previously owned CGOTR.

Secondly, like CGOTR, it wasn't recorded in, nor sounds like, the era of the material that it was released alongside. Come Together was recorded around 1985 and wasn't released commercially until 1992. From what can be gathered from Quincy's interview in that newspaper, it seems like CGOTR, despite being almost identical to You Can't Win, may have been recorded specifically as a Thriller B-Side.

Hopefully, you see what I mean. I just think there's a double standard for the practices that MJ himself engaged in and what the Estate engages in regarding selling fans the same songs twice.
I, for one, have never owned CGOTR and am looking forward to next Friday.
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These "MJ did this, MJ did that" arguments are always so pointless. MJ's estate are not MJ, I don't see any comparison to be made between what he decided to do with his art when he was alive and what his estate are doing with it after he's gone. I can disagree with what he did, sure, but using that to try and invalidate what people are saying about what the estate is doing doesn't really work imo. (I guess I am making more general statement but hopefully I'm making sense).
 
AlwaysThere said:
It’s just inconvenient. Let’s say you’re a casual fan, and you haven’t been following the blurbs until a few weeks in, when there are already several titles revealed. “This song” is gonna confuse the hell out of you. And even though the website breaks it down further, I don’t think it should be our responsibility to seek out answers; they should just be there.
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You are right, because I could never share any of this info with my family. All I'll do is just, play them the songs when it releases. They don't use social media anyway, it's kinda irrelevant. Me personally, I would rather just wait for the material to be here already. Once we have it we won't have to think about any of this stuff.
 
robotchicken14 said:
Okay, hear me out, this might be controversial:

Is the estate including CGOTR really any different from Michael himself including, for instance, Come Together on HIStory?
Firstly, it had already been released, similar to CGOTR, on material that could be considered a 'limited release' (Featured in Moonwalker and included as the B-Side of Remember the Time Single). As a result, many, if not most consumers won't have owned the track by the time it appeared on HIStory, like most consumers won't have previously owned CGOTR.

Secondly, like CGOTR, it wasn't recorded in, nor sounds like, the era of the material that it was released alongside. Come Together was recorded around 1985 and wasn't released commercially until 1992. From what can be gathered from Quincy's interview in that newspaper, it seems like CGOTR, despite being almost identical to You Can't Win, may have been recorded specifically as a Thriller B-Side.

Hopefully, you see what I mean. I just think there's a double standard for the practices that MJ himself engaged in and what the Estate engages in regarding selling fans the same songs twice.
I, for one, have never owned CGOTR and am looking forward to next Friday.
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The Estate's bad decisions aren't justified by Michael's bad decisions.
 
I do find it strange that the estate blurb for "Got The Hots" lists the session date around June 1982.

I was under the impression that "The Girl Is Mine" was recorded in April, and the next sessions didn't begin until August.
 
Dangerous1991 said:
At what point did I say I was OK with the three "Michael" songs and the pitbull remix? Both of them are atrocious.

You are literally putting words in my mouth, I also never said "promising only unheard material" but if you can hand on heart, tell me that the inclusion of CGOTR was a better option than Nite Line, Hot Street, TGIM Demo or any other Thriller demo then OK

If you are fine with non existent promotion and material for the worlds best selling album then kudos to you, just be happy about it and stop being over concerned about my opinion because its different to yours
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I didn't put any words in your mouth. I know you would've hated all that stuff way worse, that's what I said. That morally irreprehensible flavor of the week EDM trash, those dark days are gone. And I even liked those songs back then.

If you could survive that then you could definitely survive this, that's what I'm saying.

The way I see it, we got half a dozen new/unheard songs and then a couple of extra tracks in between, instead of just six new songs. Maybe it's just filler. But I don't have an issue with filler really. It's like how people would complain about slow songs on MJs releases, I'm fine with everything he put on CD, and every song finds a home and a place to be heard. Quantity over quality is okay sometimes too.

As for putting out everything in one all encompassing dump, well, no, I don't see the wisdom in that. MJ didn't even do that, this is double the output of Thriller 25. Why wasn't TGIM Demo on Thriller 25, anyway, whose smart idea was leaving it to a remix?

Finally, in truth once we have the new music, what is anyone gonna have to say about Thriller 40? What anniversary reissue has ever surpassed the original album turnout? Thriller is still the best selling album of all time, and people will only remember the 80s hey day most of all, not what they put it on a 2nd CD in 2022. We love the songs and the nostalgia but anything else? Maybe I do just see it all differently.

I have no issues with your dissatisfaction and I'm fine with it, but I just disagree with your logic on some things. There's discrepancies in some expectations and I think Long-Term, they will fall to the way side. So it just takes some more patience.
 
SmoothGangsta said:
These "MJ did this, MJ did that" arguments are always so pointless. MJ's estate are not MJ, I don't see any comparison to be made between what he decided to do with his art when he was alive and what his estate are doing with it after he's gone. I can disagree with what he did, sure, but using that to try and invalidate what people are saying about what the estate is doing doesn't really work imo. (I guess I am making more general statement but hopefully I'm making sense).
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I understand what you're saying completely. As you said, my point is that I don't agree with MJ's decision to include Come Together on HIStory just as much as the Estate including CGOTR on Thriller 40.
If Come Together hadn't been on HIStory then it probably would have been on a compilation in the 2000s, and/or subsequently Bad 25.
I suppose my point is that limited-released songs are always going to be reissued, whether Michael is here to do it or not.
 
AlwaysThere said:
I think “Can’t Get Outta the Rain” is so obviously an overdubbed afterthought that it just leaves a bad taste in my mouth. I can listen to the second half of “You Can’t Win” and have a blast, because it’s a solid disco-funk workout. But you can clearly hear the background vocalists saying “can’t get outta the game” beneath MJ, which gives the impression that they didn’t even pull out the multitrack when they recorded it.

It’s just lazy imo, and the only space on the second disc that I feel truly should’ve been filled by something else.
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My thing is I don't blame Branca for putting it on Thriller 40, I blame Quincy (And MJ) for making it, barely making it, and then putting it out as a B-Side.

It does make sense for it to be included. Maybe on Disc 3 more so? Yes, easily. But at the same time, I don't think they were gonna give us another unheard of/unleaked song and then said "Oh let's put CGOTR, that's a proper Jam"


They simply said "Instead of just 6 songs like Bad 25, let's give em 6 songs and mix some other material in to. That way we can make a 40 calligraphy."

There's no either or, it was simply, Or. With some extra.
 
come together is a fine cover but the only good way to listen to it is through the video. The video performance elevates the song to something worth remembering.
 
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