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The Discussion of MJ's Unreleased Tracks

For all Time is a Porcaro Song? I thought it was a Dangerous era song, and that the sessions with Steve happened shortly before and after Thriller.
 
This is wonderful news. Like @Derek1984 the first song I thought of was The Jacksons Dreamer.

This was my point a few weeks ago, Damien might have heard a lot but he's not heard everything.

I wouldn't be shocked if there's a few songs that the Estate aren't even aware of, because collaborators don't want to share with the estate and have their songs with Michael changed beyond recognition. I wouldn't blame them
 
https://twitter.com/x/status/1591730547206000640
Dream Away was considered for the Xscape compilation in 2014 but Porcaro didn’t want it to be mixed. Porcaro also played Chicago 1945 and the demo of Change (without MJ’s vocals).

So Dream Away was one of the 24 songs considered for Xscape. I'm pretty glad to hear this as it makes it more likely that we'll get to hear the song eventually.
 
ChanceToDance said:
https://twitter.com/x/status/1591730547206000640
Dream Away was considered for the Xscape compilation in 2014 but Porcaro didn’t want it to be mixed. Porcaro also played Chicago 1945 and the demo of Change (without MJ’s vocals).

So Dream Away was one of the 24 songs considered for Xscape. I'm pretty glad to hear this as it makes it more likely that we'll get to hear the song eventually.
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I translated a bit of the second screenshot and here's what it said about Change The World:
Steve also made us listen to the demo of CHANGE, which is a title sung entirely by another artist, it was to be proposed to Michael in 2009...
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ChanceToDance said:
Dream Away was considered for the Xscape compilation in 2014 but Porcaro didn’t want it to be mixed. Porcaro also played Chicago 1945 and the demo of Change (without MJ’s vocals).
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Now I'm thinking the estate could release an EP in near future. Would also explain why Hot Street and Nightline were ommitted off Thriller40.🤔
 
AdeZ said:
No, this song was recorded during Victory.
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Interesting — someone on the Archives said it was recorded a month after Thriller, but thinking about it, they were likely mixing it up with “Chicago 1945.” Thank you!
ChanceToDance said:
https://twitter.com/x/status/1591730547206000640
Dream Away was considered for the Xscape compilation in 2014 but Porcaro didn’t want it to be mixed. Porcaro also played Chicago 1945 and the demo of Change (without MJ’s vocals).

So Dream Away was one of the 24 songs considered for Xscape. I'm pretty glad to hear this as it makes it more likely that we'll get to hear the song eventually.
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This is the same story as “Chicago 1945.” So, we missed out on two Porcaro songs. Bummer.
 
Porcaro at it again not wanting his song to be “mixed” even thought there was an original mixes CD.
 
Dorian said:
Porcaro at it again not wanting his song to be “mixed” even thought there was an original mixes CD.
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All the original demos on xscape sounded like total shit, and weren't promoted or highlighted at all in any way. Massive respect to him for not allowing the estate to do the same again to his own songs.
 
SmoothGangsta said:
All the original demos on xscape sounded like total shit, and weren't promoted or highlighted at all in any way. Massive respect to him for not allowing the estate to do the same again to his own songs.
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Sure, but this means his song isn't out and we aren't hearing it.
Great job Steve, get those songs with you to the grave. Or well, make people spend money to hear them once at a seminar.
 
Dorian said:
Sure, but this means his song isn't out and we aren't hearing it.
Great job Steve, get those songs with you to the grave. Or well, make people spend money to hear them once at a seminar.
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We're not entitled to hear his songs lmao. I am not so desperate to hear them that I'd rather the estate shit out some remixes and promote them as MJ songs. We will hear them when the estate start respecting MJ and the people he worked with.
 
SmoothGangsta said:
We're not entitled to hear his songs lmao. I am not so desperate to hear them that I'd rather the estate shit out some remixes and promote them as MJ songs. We will hear them when the estate start respecting MJ and the people he worked with.
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You can say that about anything that it's been unreleased. But the truth is that the fanbase is being screwed up by both the producers and the Estate. Do both parts have money and continue to make money by Michael's work? Absolutely. Do stuff like Broadway show and ONE make me happy? No, because they're located in only one country. Does Steve's principles help me as a fan? No. If I was his dad/friend I could say "Bravo, Steve, you showed them". But I don't know the guy and the fact that he isn't willing to release his songs is directly affecting me as a fan from a consumer's perspective.
This fanbase would've been dead already if we only got reissues without anything new since 2009. The half assed releases by the estate contributed to keeping in this way as well as the "horrible" leaks.
 
Like I said I don't feel entitled to hear the songs so he isn't affecting me by refusing to allow them to be remixed and changed beyond recognition. Do I want to hear them? Absolutely. That's a bit different than acting annoyed because he doesn't want them to be remixed, though.
 
AlwaysThere said:
Interesting — someone on the Archives said it was recorded a month after Thriller, but thinking about it, they were likely mixing it up with “Chicago 1945.” Thank you!

This is the same story as “Chicago 1945.” So, we missed out on two Porcaro songs. Bummer.
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SP said one week after Thriller was released.
 
AlwaysThere said:
As someone who’s desperate to hear new music, I don’t know if I can get behind the mentality of slamming somebody because they want the material to be heard in the purest, most respectful way possible. Isn’t that, y’know, what should be happening?
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Yeah just screams of "I want to hear it and you're not letting me" to me. Which I don't really understand at all.
 
It is not because we never heard of the song “dream away” that suddenly there is a ton more music in the vaults. The Estate’s claim that the vaults are almost dried up still stands as they had this song shortlisted for Xscape in 2014. So the fact remains there might only be a dozen or so tracks left for release.
If you take Xscape’s 8 tracks it leaves 16 tracks. You can be sure among those were nite line, hot street, dream away, Chicago 1945, can’t get your weight off of me, hot fun, who do you know, what a lovely way to go, she’s trouble.

This leaves 7 unknown titles.
 
filmandmusic said:
It is not because we never heard of the song “dream away” that suddenly there is a ton more music in the vaults. The Estate’s claim that the vaults are almost dried up still stands as they had this song shortlisted for Xscape in 2014. So the fact remains there might only be a dozen or so tracks left for release.
If you take Xscape’s 8 tracks it leaves 16 tracks. You can be sure among those were nite line, hot street, dream away, Chicago 1945, can’t get your weight off of me, hot fun, who do you know, what a lovely way to go, she’s trouble.

This leaves 7 unknown titles.
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The estate’s claim that the vaults are almost dried up is absolutely questionable, as they’ve been lying about its contents for years. They’ve said on multiple occasions, including in court documents from 2021, that there was nothing releasable left, which we know is false. They wouldn’t turn over a complete list of the vault’s contents to the IRS when asked to do so, and would only confirm or deny the existence of titles the IRS pulled from Wikipedia and Chris Cadman’s For the Record. They didn’t know “Hollywood Tonight” existed until Michael Prince played it for them. And that’s not even acknowledging the multiple people who won’t give them permission to use their music.

There’s absolutely no reason to trust what the estate says about the state of the vault. I believe it’s smaller than we’d hope, but it’s absolutely deeper than they’re claiming.
 
ChanceToDance said:
MJ put For All Time on Thriller 25 because it was similar to Human Nature, right? At least that's what I assume. Then, if there was a song in the vault that's also similar to Human Nature AND is actually from the Thriller era then why didn't he release that one instead? lmao
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It's post Thriller too, just a week instead of almost a decade. But yeah, it would've made more sense overall.
 
SmoothGangsta said:
All the original demos on xscape sounded like total shit, and weren't promoted or highlighted at all in any way. Massive respect to him for not allowing the estate to do the same again to his own songs.
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I respect Steve Porcaro's stance, but I don't agree with it exactly. The Originals category satisfies everyone who wants it preserved. And if you truly don't want it modified or reworked at all, then make the way for anniversary issues. Otherwise, the modern production worked making disparate songs, 80s, 90s, mid 2000s, 20, 30, 40, year old MJ sound, almost cohesive stacked together one after enough. Because no one else could otherwise sequence Slave to the Rhythm after A Place with No Name, or Chicago before Love Never Felt So Good.

But obviously in the future there are much easier ways to modernize a song without stripping away literally every former element besides the vocals. Teddy Riley updated Dangerous in a simple way, today's producers could easily do the same. And John McClain has done it every single time. And no one calls his songs remixes because they feel like proper updates MJ would do. But you can't hire Timbaland to do that obviously.

And I personally don't miss the Invincible production sound that much.
 
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