Thriller 40th Anniversary - Songs Discussion

My "first listen" review:

Starlight (3/10): I am just so happy it evolved to Thriller, and did not stay like this. A nice-to-have addition for a complete Demo collection of the whole album along BJ, WBSS, or Beat it Demo imo. Whatsoever, is the leaked version better than the released one? :oops:
GTH (7/10): The song has such a strange rythm, but I somehow like it since day one after T25 Japanese release. In my ears, still a nice-to-listen song in between.
Who do you know (9/10): Great chill vibe, lovely vocals. Even if it is very different, the vibe feels like a mix out of "Why?" and a The Jacksons late 70s song. Love it!
Carousel (8/10): Transition from Who do you know is sweet. But why not the longer version?
BTM Demo (6/10): I expected more, mostly because I hoped for a more-finished 80s version instead of the 2010 mix. Anyway, one could have known we will now in fact get the real DEMO, that might be one of the earliest versions of the songs - a similar state compared to existing BJ or WBSS demos. It is cool to have, but not a song I would listen to every day.
CGOTR (1/10): not fitting T40 that much, especially in such a shortlist of songs. They at least could have put it in the end of Disc 2. Whatever, next.
The Toy (4/10): Interestingly, not much difference to the 2009 Best of Joy version. Happy that Michael worked on it again. The 2010 release was a great inclusion.
Sunset Driver (4/10): Inclusion is okay, but not one of my favorites. Some parts are groovy though.
What a lovely way to go (8/10): I really like the refrain including the beatboxing. I wish it was properly mixed and finalized. For a demo it is truly great. Happy about this one, as it is the only MJ production without co-production. This one would have fit as the last track, not only because of its title.
She's Trouble (6/10): Great to hear this in crisp quality. It fits the T40 concept. The wav-file will get a nice place next to Nite Line and Hot Street in my digital collection.

Overall rating the disc 5/10, today I am grateful it was not strongly promoted towards a wide audience, as it consists of songs and mixing Michael would have never wanted that it sees the light of day. Well, there was not much promotion investment anyway. Even so, I am very happy about the release. In my opinion they could have been considered for a later release, definitely.

Positive:
+ WDYK
+ WALTG
+ She's Trouble HQ

Negative:
- CTGOTR inclusion
- BTM Mike Mix = less finished mix as expected
- Hot Street and Niteline missing
- Starlight release maybe worse than leaked version

Changing my previous votes now (no vote for BTM 🤫). Don't forget to vote for your favorite HERE!
Wtf man where are you all listening to this at?
 
I am confused. Where do you hear the entire songs? I can't find the full songs on YT.

ALSO -How on earth can they release Starlight with distortion? Surely they must have had professional producers to master the songs before the release. Make sure sound volume is the same for all songs, clean up etc. I really hope the iTunes version will sound crystal clear. Otherwise it's very disappointing.

Still I can't wait to hear Who Do You Know and What A Lovely Way To Go


The waveforms of the couple I saw that were leaked look like they were mastered at a consistent peak. I'm curious how the itunes version will look. They really shit the bed on Starlight. How does that even get a pass?
 
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The waveforms of the couple I saw that were leaked look like they were mastered at a consistent peak. I'm curious how the itunes version will look. They really shit the bed on Starlight. How does that even get a pass?
The DAT degraded since we got Starlight hahaha
 
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Just found this on twitter. The cd edition is mastered by Brian "Big Bass" Gardner, who was also responsible for the cd remaster of Bad 25...which was not mastered very well. I have much higher hopes for my itunes pre-order now.

Nice photos of Michael and Vincent together...
 
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Just found this on twitter. The cd edition is mastered by Brian "Big Bass" Gardner, who was also responsible for the cd remaster of Bad 25...which was not mastered very well. I have much higher hopes for my itunes pre-order now.

Nice photos of Michael and Vincent together...
I've seen footage of that day
 
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Just found this on twitter. The cd edition is mastered by Brian "Big Bass" Gardner, who was also responsible for the cd remaster of Bad 25...which was not mastered very well. I have much higher hopes for my itunes pre-order now.

Nice photos of Michael and Vincent together...
He also did mastering on OTW afaik.
 
I just heard all the songs, the songs are really all in demo-form.

Who do you know is a great ballade. Gives me a relaxing feeling

The toy is growing on me, the part ‘i am forever’ is so emotional and took me by the heart!

What a lovely way to go: reminds me of the form love nevelt so good, its a real demo with piano.
It’s a nice to have, not sure i am gonna play this a lot.

She’s trouble: never liked the song, but to have this version in hq is great. I really like this one, and never thought to say this😅.

Behind the mask: nice to hear the real demo, but the quality isn’t that great. Its not high quality like it should be. And indeed the mixing can be better, but overall nice to have. But i think i like the 2010 version more, only that damn sax and live sh** from bucharest must be deleted!

Off topic: I love chicago 1945 so much more than any song on Disc 2.
 
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Okay, I caved and listened. Initial thoughts:
  1. “Starlight” — Only commenting to confirm that, yes, there is static/distortion in the version I listened to. I’m in disbelief.
  2. “Who Do You Know” — I fell in love with this the second it started. Some sparse electric guitar work, a laidback groove, and MJ singing the blues like only he can. It feels like a country song given a pop makeover. “I lost my baby two years ago (Have you seen her?).” I was expecting this one to be a half-baked demo, but I’m overjoyed that the vocals are more or less finished. His vocal is somewhat reminiscent of the main section of “The Lady in My Life,” in the sense that he’s just singing, not performing; he’s wowing us with his voice and tone, not his high notes. In the final second, you hear MJ cackling in the background (similar to the ending of “Free”). I could listen to this on repeat for hours. 5/5
  3. “Behind the Mask (Mike’s Mix)” — As expected, this is just the Greg Phillinganes instrumental (with weaker drums) with MJ’s vocals. It has a completely different arrangement than the 2010 mix though: the first verse is longer (but the second half is unusable), the second verse is scratch vocals, the chorus doesn’t show up until after the second verse, the two “bridges” are flipped, the “hee hee hee” background vocals are sourced from the end of the song, and there are some extra ad-libs. For me, this is painfully average (except for the last 10 seconds or so, which suddenly becomes f**king awesome). John McClain saved this one. 2/5
  4. “The Toy” — Hugely disappointing. This is a very rudimentary demo: a basic drum pattern, keys, and some light synth strings. It’s literally the same as “Best of Joy,” with a different opening lyric and no chorus. (Also, the third verse is indeed present; I have no idea what I was talking about earlier.) Beyond the production, which I can’t judge too harshly since it’s a demo, I feel like these vocals just don’t have the sincerity of the 2008 recording. I don’t care for the constant vocal doubling, and it feels like MJ’s heart just isn’t in it. The harmonies are heavenly, but it seems like Neff-U really made “Best of Joy” what it was. Eh. 2/5
  5. “What a Lovely Way to Go” — Very, very underwhelming. Another sparse arrangement: a piano, some beatboxing, and layered vocals. The leaked snippet is literally the opening lyric and, as it turns out, the weird vocal sound comes from them doing some (necessary) pitch correction; there’s a few off-key moments throughout. I’m surprised this one was up for Michael, because the lyrics that I can make out don’t make much sense (“Heard you were a loser, but don’t say that you was in it all the time / Don’t be just pretending that it’s all knowing, love here inside / But I don’t need the right to know everything she does”) and there are multiple moments where MJ is clearly mumbling or scatting. I don’t hate it, but it’s not something I feel I’ll return to often (and it has the single weirdest and most abrupt ending I’ve EVER heard in an MJ song). 1.5/5
All in all, I’m a little let down. “Who Do You Know” is spectacular (and now I’m a little bitter that they blew it on a reissue rather than giving it its time in the sun on a proper album), but the other three songs really don’t do it for me.
I only listened to the toy and I have say I agree with you. I found MJ’s vocal delivery from 2008 much better than this demo and just the overall structure of the demo sounded so odd and chaotic. If I hadn’t heard BOJ 08 I wouldn’t have know what was what in the demo in terms of chorus, bridge etc. With that being said the 08 version i still my favorite posthumous song.
 
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Who do you know was a much faster song back in 1984 cuz I have the original album to that it had 10 songs on it when I pre-ordered it but when you buy the victory album nowadays it only has eight songs

Really I'm shocked ?
Yes because this song was originally faster and he cries at the end of the song
Do you mind clarifying what you mean?
If "Who do you know" were originally released on the Victory album, this would be factual knowledge that one could easily find on the internet, and the song would never have been regarded as unreleased up to now.
Unless you have physical proof of that song listed on the LP right in front of you, I'm confused why you're making up something so easily refutable...
 
Do you mind clarifying what you mean?
If "Who do you know" were originally released on the Victory album, this would be factual knowledge that one could easily find on the internet, and the song would never have been regarded as unreleased up to now.
Unless you have physical proof of that song listed on the LP right in front of you, I'm confused why you're making up something so easily refutable...
He's trolling
 
I'm not trolling im sent what someone told me he said it's not slow song
You just said earlier that you know it's faster because your pre-order copy of Victory which you own has 10 songs on it, including a faster version of Who do you know.
Now you say you're just relaying information someone else told you.
Which is it?
 
Yes. The version I heard is 34 seconds longer than what the Estate is releasing on T40. Otherwise, it’s 100% identical. The exact same file. They have simply cut the last 34 seconds off. In the full demo, the “we are forever” vocals repeat several more times before fading out.
I don't see why the Estate cut this part off, I would've loved to hear it still. It's really upsetting that the Estate insists on messing with the demos.
 
You just said earlier that you know it's faster because your pre-order copy of Victory which you own has 10 songs on it, including a faster version of Who do you know.
Now you say you're just relaying information someone else told you.
Which is it?
It was clearly a copy/paste of a message exchange. Unfortunately someone is lying to this person & it's not very fair.
 
Listen to this bit. Even Back then John Barnes said what we are right now
 
Listening to this now and I'm noticing the parts where you can hear the original instrumental of the song, it must be the exact same as The Toy's.
 
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Just found this on twitter. The cd edition is mastered by Brian "Big Bass" Gardner, who was also responsible for the cd remaster of Bad 25...which was not mastered very well. I have much higher hopes for my itunes pre-order now.

Nice photos of Michael and Vincent together...
added this and a 1st review with spoiler tag to the first thread post
 
You just said earlier that you know it's faster because your pre-order copy of Victory which you own has 10 songs on it, including a faster version of Who do you know.
Now you say you're just relaying information someone else told you.
Which is it?
It's not me who did that the person i talked with he said he heard buffalo bill in 1997 his name is mysterious Jackson
 
Do they not have the masters for Starlight and other songs? Is that way the sound quality is so bad?
 
WTF? Are those pics taken off TV while a vhs cassette was paused?


Seriously? :D Omg, please estate simply provide the remaining 4k/HD videos to end this project, and we can listen to the new songs without the need of thinking about the bad execution of certain projects. The pics in the booklet truly look like screecaps from a stopped music video.

The biggest album of all time deserves so much better imo!
 
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