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The Discussion of MJ's Unreleased Tracks

I don't know if the following interview with WIll I Am and the information it contains about the song "I'm Dreaming" is known or not - I only came across it today:

(the excerpt is from an interview from 2021).

From 13:00 he talks about "I'm Dreaming" (a cover by KRS ONE) and sings the MJ vocals/lyrics as well as the bass.
 
mind&magic said:
I don't know if the following interview with WIll I Am and the information it contains about the song "I'm Dreaming" is known or not - I only came across it today:

(the excerpt is from an interview from 2021).

From 13:00 he talks about "I'm Dreaming" (a cover by KRS ONE) and sings the MJ vocals/lyrics as well as the bass.
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What are the chances @Lord Jackson or @Korgnex can leak the song from Will's hard drive in his house? Punish Will I Am for his sins.
 
AlwaysThere said:
Very interesting post.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1612196469192417280
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It is actually really interesting getting these hints at what space MJ was in musically, and yet, I'm hoping the songs are more rich and have a lot of depth, like the Quincy made albums. The later records admittedly were much more sparse, with exception to a few tracks, and the ballads obviously had lots of instrumentation. As far as the up tempoes, idk, MJ really liked that James Brown funk/hip hop flip to "rap" over. There were definitely exceptions though.
 
I'm certain that Hot Fun In The Summertime was going to be on the Estate's next album, around 2018 the song was registered and the Estate had purchased the catalog of the band Sly shortly after. I'm sure it'll still be released at some point.

pitchfork.com

Michael Jackson Estate Acquires Sly and the Family Stone’s Catalog

Sly Stone’s catalog has long been the subject of royalty disputes
pitchfork.com pitchfork.com

Type of Work:​
Recorded Document
Document Number:​
V9957D089
Date of Recordation:​
2018-09-05
Entire Copyright Document:​
V9957 D089 P1-9
Title:​
Hot fun in the summertime & 65 other titles.
Notes:​
Notice of termination of grant under 17 USC Section 203 (c); date and manner of service of the notice: 31 Aug18; by Certified Mail, Return Receipt Requested, and First Class. Termination effective 17Sep20.
Party 1:​
Sylvester Stone, p.k.a. Sly Stone.
Party 2:​
Michael Jackson, d.b.a. Mijac Music/Warner Chappell/Mijac Music, & Mijac Music.
Links:​
List of Titles
​
Names:​
 Stone, Sylvester
Stone, Sly
Jackson, Michael
Mijac Music/Warner Chappell/Mijac Music
Mijac Music
 
ChanceToDance said:
I'm certain that Hot Fun In The Summertime was going to be on the Estate's next album, around 2018 the song was registered and the Estate had purchased the catalog of the band Sly shortly after. I'm sure it'll still be released at some point.

pitchfork.com

Michael Jackson Estate Acquires Sly and the Family Stone’s Catalog

Sly Stone’s catalog has long been the subject of royalty disputes
pitchfork.com pitchfork.com

Type of Work:​
Recorded Document
Document Number:​
V9957D089
Date of Recordation:​
2018-09-05
Entire Copyright Document:​
V9957 D089 P1-9
Title:​
Hot fun in the summertime & 65 other titles.
Notes:​
Notice of termination of grant under 17 USC Section 203 (c); date and manner of service of the notice: 31 Aug18; by Certified Mail, Return Receipt Requested, and First Class. Termination effective 17Sep20.
Party 1:​
Sylvester Stone, p.k.a. Sly Stone.
Party 2:​
Michael Jackson, d.b.a. Mijac Music/Warner Chappell/Mijac Music, & Mijac Music.
Links:​
List of Titles
​
Names:​
Stone, Sylvester
Stone, Sly
Jackson, Michael
Mijac Music/Warner Chappell/Mijac Music
Mijac Music
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That entry isn't related to MJs cover of HFITST.
 
ChanceToDance said:
The production sounds basic, that can't be how all the songs from Neff-U's sessions sounds like. Damien also said that D.I.E in particular was like heavy rock music. This has to be a generalization on his part.
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I think it is a generalization. Not every song has this flavor, but overall this is the direction MJ seemed to be headed in.
 
I wonder what song in particular was Damien referring to, maybe it's Dark Lady? I can see the bass from Queen's Under Pressure fitting there.
 
AlwaysThere said:
I think it is a generalization. Not every song has this flavor, but overall this is the direction MJ seemed to be headed in.
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MJ had RedOne, Lady Gaga esque pop in there, he wanted to work with Stargate, he wanted to work with Ne-Yo, John Legend had songs written, T-Pain, he worked with Akon, and Neff-U and he had tons of older self compositions. And the songs he seemed to be making from then on were very hip-hop esque. Like the modern "Dangerous". Anything I'm forgetting?
 
Mister_Jay_Tee said:
MJ had RedOne, Lady Gaga esque pop in there, he wanted to work with Stargate, he wanted to work with Ne-Yo, John Legend had songs written, T-Pain, he worked with Akon, and Neff-U and he had tons of older self compositions. And the songs he seemed to be making from then on were very hip-hop esque. Like the modern "Dangerous". Anything I'm forgetting?
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He was trying out a bit of everything it seems, there's the gospel songs from Bahrain, the R&B songs from Ne-Yo, the electropop songs from RedOne and pop/hip-hop style from Will.I.Am, pop-rock music with old collaborators like Michael Prince and Brad Buxer and revisiting plenty of songs from past decades. I would love to see the result of all the mixture from that era.
 
ChanceToDance said:
He was trying out a bit of everything it seems, there's the gospel songs from Bahrain, the R&B songs from Ne-Yo, the electropop from RedOne and pop/hip-hop style from Will.I.Am, pop-rock music with old collaborators like Michael Prince and Brad Buxer and revisiting plenty of songs from past decades. I would love to see the result of all the mixture from that era.
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Ah yes, and he was working with Rod Temperton and Steve Porcaro again. That would've been huge tbh.
 
Mister_Jay_Tee said:
Ah yes, and he was working with Rod Temperton and Steve Porcaro again. That would've been huge tbh.
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And with collaborators from the Invincible era like Dr Freeze and Rodney Jerkins. Ngl I do feel like his next album was gonna be as overproduced as Invincible, MJ was working with way too many producers lol.
 
ChanceToDance said:
And with collaborators from the Invincible era like Dr Freeze and Rodney Jerkins. Ngl I do feel like his next album was gonna be as overproduced as Invincible, MJ was working with way too many producers lol.
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That’s how MJ always worked though. 5-6 producers came and went during the Dangerous sessions, and HIStory alone has 10 credited producers. It’s all about how the final track listing comes together.
 
Nite Line said:
Honestly, I wish Michael had only worked with his old collaborators Michael Prince and Brad Buxer, as he got older.
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To me it seems like the gem of the 2000's comes from their sessions. I don't think I'd like the songs from Neff-U's sessions very much but I Am A Loser, D.I.G, Rocker, Adore You, Best Of Joy, Boy No and Just Remember are songs that have a lot of potential/are said to have potential. I can only hope we get to hear the unleaked songs someday.
 
I wanna hear it all before I decide what's good and bad. I'm just glad MJ stayed in the game. Imagine he just started re-recording his old songs, or making cover songs like Branca suggested. Which maybe isn't actually an awful idea but if we had gotten that instead of Bad?
 
As MJ got older, he should have stuck to his sound and made music with his long time collaborators instead of chasing commercial success with collaborating with the young producers. I think that was one of the big issues with Invincible, in particular the Rodney Jerkins tracks.
 
Nite Line said:
As MJ got older, he should have stuck to his sound and made music with his long time collaborators instead of chasing commercial success with collaborating with the young producers. I think that was one of the big issues with Invincible, in particular the Rodney Jerkins tracks.
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But MJ didn't have a sound, literally his entire career is as versatile as can be. Is Billie Jean his sound, or is Beat It? Or is it Dangerous? You Rock My World was supposed to be a throwback right? To Off The Wall? Is that his sound? You Are Not Alone was his last #1, that's just R.Kelly through and through. Why did that song get more success than Stranger in Moscow?

Does a song like "Don't be Messing 'Round" even sound like traditional MJ? Or Throwing Your Life Away? Isn't The Way You Love Me just a Beach Boys homage? Isn't Behind The Mask just Yellow Magic Orchestra with his vocals on top? Even in the outtakes we hear way more variation and changes.

I just don't ever understand what people mean when they say "Michael Jackson" sound. Any song he sings on, saying hee-hee, that's basically his sound. No matter if it's late 70s, early 80s, late 80s, early 90s. He was eclectic, and that's why I like him. He's his own genre.

Sorry to go off on this rant on you. I would never fight you.
 
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