The fans want nothing more than to sit and talk with MJ for hours about his music creation. Meanwhile:

Oh, it's fine. It's probably a conflict of interest for me to be too involved anyway, given that Michael and I will be married in this fantasy world. No worries, friend 😉
yes, but now I'm working it out in my head. It could work except that the project is now twice as long as it already was. Michael basically has time to eat, say hello to his kids and do the project. I can't work out where his songwriting time is to come from.

I really need to mothball this fantasy all over again. It is awesome but also crazy. Or I'm crazy. Or something!
 
yes, but now I'm working it out in my head. It could work except that the project is now twice as long as it already was. Michael basically has time to eat, say hello to his kids and do the project. I can't work out where his songwriting time is to come from.

I really need to mothball this fantasy all over again. It is awesome but also crazy. Or I'm crazy. Or something!
aren't we all crazy? LOL

i just hope he has time for my fantasy reality show i'm starring in with him 🫠
 
It's quite provocative but I was just talking about, idk, the male perspective of us lol

The woman don't want no talking. Only action.
Ah well, see, this is where it gets interesting. I am a woman and I definitely want the talking. But, as I said right at the beginning, not really about his stuff. I really would set aside all of my wild, crazy fantasies just to listen to him talk about 60's and 70's music. My ultimate fantasy is more of a conversation, I guess, than an interview. But that's what I would really like. Talking about Neil Diamond as a songwriter. Dean Martin songs. Engelbert Humperdinck's voice. Roy Orbison. Peter, Paul and Mary. Jimi's military jacket. Peter Green lyrics. Tamla. Herman's Hermits. James. Otis. Sam. Edwin. Eddie Kendricks' voice. Alice Cooper.

All of that stuff. :)
 
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I want more depositions to leaked. The 93 and 94 one are fascinating
Yessss I have lost count of how many times I've watched these! Lol

Ah well, see, this is where it gets interesting. I am a woman and I definitely want the talking.
This!! I know my forum brand suggests otherwise but conversation truly is the ultimate for me too!
 
Ah well, see, this is where it gets interesting. I am a woman and I definitely want the talking. But, as I said right at the beginning, not really about his stuff. I really would set aside all of my wild, crazy fantasies just to listen to him talk about 60's and 70's music. My ultimate fantasy is more of a conversation, I guess, than an interview. But that's what I would really like. Talking about Neil Diamond as a songwriter. Dean Martin songs. Engelbert Humperdinck's voice. Roy Orbison. Peter, Paul and Mary. Jimi's military jacket. Peter Green lyrics. Tamla. Herman's Hermits. James. Otis. Sam. Edwin. Eddie Kendricks' voice. Alice Cooper.

All of that stuff. :)
I'm just being facetious lol. That sounds a lot like Craig Ferguson' talk show style. He got to really engage people on that show. I'd have loved him or Norton Graham to have interviewed MJ. Idk why MJ personally, chose the most dry and taut boring shows. Oprah, Diane, whatever. 60 Minutes. Terrible.
 
I'm just being facetious lol.
I know but we can't stop (ooh, Miley!), me and sw23. We have a lot to say and we will just keep on keeping on with this stuff, lol.

That sounds a lot like Craig Ferguson' talk show style.
Don't know him but I don't really do tv. :D

He got to really engage people on that show. I'd have loved him or Norton Graham to have interviewed MJ. Idk why MJ personally, chose the most dry and taut boring shows. Oprah, Diane, whatever. 60 Minutes. Terrible.
I agree. I don't understand his choices at all. I have said this before but Madonna has handled that side of her career much better, imo. She has been really canny with this, when she did interviews and who she did them with. I've seen better interviews from Donny Osmond. I know Michael had a terrible, awful, dreadful time with the press but I still think he could have made much better choices in this regard. So frustrating.

But we love him. He is our guy! :)
 
Thing is, I'm not really interested in talking to Michael about his own music. Well, first of all, I should probably point out that I don't really have fantasies or daydreams about Michael. Ngl, I've had a few but it really doesn't happen that much. I don't really think about talking to him about his own stuff. I'd rather talk to him about the music he listened to, especially the stuff he listened to growing up. Especially the 1960's. Also, classical music. He always mentioned Tchaikovsky's Nutcracker but did he also love Swan Lake? I'd love to know. I'm definitely interested in how his mind works but more in relation to stuff he was interested in.

I think the interviews he did were mostly wasted opportunities. They could have been so much better, more detailed, much more in-depth. But not as in, dissecting his music. Just talking about his art in general.
Keep in mind that asking him in-depth questions about classical music would have been a very boring and unexciting interview.

No interviewer would be willing to conduct such an interview because that would lead to low TV or radio ratings.
I understand both perspectives, in this case. For fans, I understand why many of us crave understanding his art so much and from his perspective. From Michael's perspective, I understand why dissecting it in that way especially in formal interviews would be unpleasant or uncomfortable. Both points of view make sense for me. But I think sometimes people get frustrated with Michael's answers and I just want to offer my perspective on this.

Like @zinniabooklover said above, imo Michael's interviews were wasted opportunities. Though some of the fault could, I suppose, fall on Michael for not getting too in depth with certain craft related answers, such as referring back to music "just happening," or only retelling the same stories about Billie jean, for example, when asked about his composition process, I think mostly this was due to a couple of factors.

1) I think he was never really given the respect as an artist he deserved (in light of his persona taking over) and therefore the in-depth craft-focused interviews that could have gotten below the surface just never happened, and

2) It is extremely difficult to talk to people about craft who just do not have the language or technical understanding to participate as an equal in that conversation.


Here's what I mean by that. I would bet that Michael had incredible conversations about music, dance, video -- all aspects of his artistry -- when working with peers. With collaborators. With people who spoke the same language. But when trying to convey that to a lay audience? That would be extremely challenging for someone like Michael. I'm a writer and when I talk to other writers, we can get into it in a way I just can't with my family or friends who are not writers. There's an unspoken resonance between us. Even if we are different kinds of writers, there's a shared understanding of what it means to experience the world that way. But trying to explain my writing to my father, for example, is exhausting. I mean it is truly exhausting. Five minutes of talking about writing with my dad makes me never want to talk about writing again. Even my mother, who is a huge reader and therefore feels she is very knowledgable about writing (and tbf she does know more than my father who hasn't read a book in full since he was probably 6), is challenging. And I'm just a regular person. I am not a literary genius. So I can't imagine for someone like Michael, a musical genius, how challenging it must have been to try to communicate about his process and perspective on his own work with people who were just not operating on that level at all, all while trying to make whatever he said consumable for the masses. That's just very challenging. I don't envy him.

I think the most productive avenue for learning about Michael's perspective on his own music would have been to talk to him about the craft in general. To talk to him about other people's music. To play him songs and let him react. To ask him about past or present sounds and see him respond in real time. An intellectual discussion about music. Meditating with him. Watching him draw, or walking through an art museum with him. Just interacting with him broadly about artistry. I'm not sure any artists can't help but reflect on their own craft when surrounded by inspiration. I imagine Michael was much the same.

I love to imagine a world where in place of "Living with Michael Jackson" we got something else entirely -- some kind of documentary, or long-form journalistic effort that followed Michael for a year, or five years, I don't know, that captured, as best as it could, the way he experienced the world through art. I think that would tell us so much more about his art than any direct conversations about how he wrote his songs, or whatever, ever could.

Ok. I seriously need to go grade now. Sigh.
It seems that Michael Jackson wanted his art to remain rather cryptic and ambiguous.

This makes sense because this is basically what artists want for their art (i.e., to be interpreted by the audience in more than one ways).
 
Keep in mind that asking him in-depth questions about classical music would have been a very boring and unexciting interview.
No, it wouldn't be boring or unexciting. It would be amazing!

Also, do you understand fantasy? You do realise this whole conversation is just about our little daydreams?

But, in any case, you might experience this fantasy interview as boring but for me it would be gripping. And since it's my fantasy that is all I care about.

No interviewer would be willing to conduct such an interview because that would lead to low TV or radio ratings.
:ROFLMAO:

It's a fantasy. It's not about tv ratings. If it has any connection to the real world at all - which it does not - it would be a project to provide material for the MJ archive. I can't speak for @staywild23 's fantasy interview / project but that is what mine is all about.

It seems that Michael Jackson wanted his art to remain rather cryptic and ambiguous.
Yes, but with the right interviewer and with proper preparation that could all be sidestepped.

I repeat, this is all fantasy. No need to be so literal.
 
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@Beano Wild Interesting right?
 
That's a little before this time lol. My time, anyway.


Here's this. I just watched this, the whole thing, and I think you will too.
Sadly, this didn't work. I tried Desmond Tutu. Tried Billy Connolly. Tried someone else who I have already forgotten, lol. No good.

BUT. His mea culpa about Britney Spears was powerful. Total respect to him for doing that.

Loved his Scottish accent, though. :)
 
Idk why MJ personally, chose the most dry and taut boring shows. Oprah, Diane, whatever. 60 Minutes. Terrible.
Probably because they were the most popular hosts and/or talk shows in the USA during that time. It's like he didn't go and do interviews with Donnie Simpson on Video Soul, who would more likely to talk about his music than about gossip. Mike did appear the Ebony/Jet show in the early 1980s. It's been said that Oprah is a billionaire or close to it, so that tells you how popular she was during her heyday. She's the reason Rachael Ray, Dr. Phil, & Dr. Oz got TV shows, Oprah discovered them. Books by authors she recommened on her show would quick jump in sales. How many other hosts have their own cable TV network?

It seems to me that Mike was more interested in doing celebrity interviews that would reach a bigger audience. Why else do a joint interview with Lisa Marie? The general public is not interested in music interviews, but they do like dirt (Jerry Springer, Maury "You are the father", reality TV, lol). That's how the Kardashian family got mainstream famous and became rich, Kim & Ray J's sex tape.
 
Probably because they were the most popular hosts and/or talk shows in the USA during that time.
I totally get this. Michael was very ambitious and competitive and would probably want those massive tv ratings as much as he wanted the massive sales figures. I do understand that about him.

It's like he didn't go and do interviews with Donnie Simpson on Video Soul, who would more likely to talk about his music than about gossip. Mike did appear the Ebony/Jet show in the early 1980s. It's been said that Oprah is a billionaire or close to it, so that tells you how popular she was during her heyday.
She was massive which is why she got the gig with Michael. An African American woman with that level of success? I think sometimes people forget how successful she was even before she did the Michael interview. The talk show she fronted was renamed the Oprah Winfrey Show in 1985. She was in Steven Spielberg's adaptation of The Color Purple. She formed her own tv production company followed by her own film production company.

She's the reason Rachael Ray, Dr. Phil, & Dr. Oz got TV shows, Oprah discovered them. Books by authors she recommened on her show would quick jump in sales. How many other hosts have their own cable TV network?
Exactly so.

It seems to me that Mike was more interested in doing celebrity interviews that would reach a bigger audience.
He was and this is why my fantasy - which exists only in my head, just to be clear - is all about going in another direction. This is why the way I would pitch this to Michael is to get around that. Bc chasing tv ratings is not going to help my project and I have zero interest in that anyway. My 'project' is all about adding stuff to Michael's legacy.

I'm being facetious - bc none of this is real, obvs! - and dead serious at the same time. :D

Why else do a joint interview with Lisa Marie? The general public is not interested in music interviews,
Which is why my project is not for them.

but they do like dirt (Jerry Springer, Maury "You are the father", reality TV, lol). That's how the Kardashian family got mainstream famous and became rich, Kim & Ray J's sex tape.
My project would be so classy! Not all the fans would like the end product. That's a given. I'm not actually deluded, lol. The series of interviews wouldn't be for everyone. But they would be awesome.
 
Probably because they were the most popular hosts and/or talk shows in the USA during that time. It's like he didn't go and do interviews with Donnie Simpson on Video Soul, who would more likely to talk about his music than about gossip. Mike did appear the Ebony/Jet show in the early 1980s. It's been said that Oprah is a billionaire or close to it, so that tells you how popular she was during her heyday. She's the reason Rachael Ray, Dr. Phil, & Dr. Oz got TV shows, Oprah discovered them. Books by authors she recommened on her show would quick jump in sales. How many other hosts have their own cable TV network?

It seems to me that Mike was more interested in doing celebrity interviews that would reach a bigger audience. Why else do a joint interview with Lisa Marie? The general public is not interested in music interviews, but they do like dirt (Jerry Springer, Maury "You are the father", reality TV, lol). That's how the Kardashian family got mainstream famous and became rich, Kim & Ray J's sex tape.
My question was kinda rhetorical. That's on me for not making that clear I guess. I know exactly why he chose them. Optics and publicity. And maybe "fair" professional journalism that isn't a Tabloid.

Idk, where he could go to get a fair shake that's all I'm saying. I'll lament that a long while.
 
My question was kinda rhetorical. That's on me for not making that clear I guess. I know exactly why he chose them. Optics and publicity. And maybe "fair" professional journalism that isn't a Tabloid.
Exactly so. I still disagree with Michael's choice of Oprah. I get why he did it but her style of 'journalism' was already well established before 1993. For the tv ratings, yes, she was a good choice. For the rest of it? If I had been Michael's manager I would not have been wanting her to get the gig. I would have advised him differently. But hindsight is a wonderful thing.

Not having a go at Michael, btw. He could have done those 'tv ratings' interviews but there should have been other types of interviews happening as well.

Idk, where he could go to get a fair shake that's all I'm saying.
Me neither. Hence my mad fantasies.

Just being serious for a moment, I already said I admire the way Madonna handled this aspect of her career. She did get tons of flak from the media but I don't think she had it as hard as Michael. Not even close. So it was a bit easier for her. But, for example, she was interviewed in 1992 by the Sunday Times Magazine. Andrew Neil, the ST editor at the time, did the interview. He wasn't a music journalist. His thing was big, heavy-hitting political analysis and stuff like that. And he did the interview bc that's how seriously the ST took Madonna as a major cultural figure. And I was gutted bc I wanted it to be Michael. Now, I do accept that he had a particular agenda in deciding which interviews to do. But I just wish he had agreed to do this type of thing.

Madonna and Prince both got interviewed by Larry King for his 1999 series. I have to assume they asked Michael and he presumably said no. But, for me, that is a missed opportunity. The Prince interview is 37 minutes but feels much longer. I'm not even that bothered that Michael wasn't interviewed by Larry King. LK was brilliant at what he did but it doesn't have to be him. Personally I would want something slightly different for Michael bc I want it to be solely about his art.

I'll lament that a long while.
I think this is why I have these mad fantasies / daydreams. The frustration. The 'what could have been'. I love to watch interviews and reading them is even better. I absolutely KNOW that it could have been done better. Michael could have been interviewed in depth in a way that didn't feel intrusive or uncomfortable or unpleasant. With careful planning and a bit of intelligent, creative thought something wonderful could have been created, something that offered a little more insight into his art. Sigh.
 
Honestly, I wouldn't want to do a broadcast interview at all. I'd prefer to just have a conversation, one on one, about what inspires him. Not even just music, but also books, movies, art, quotes... What have you. Songwriting wouldn't even be on the list, unless he spontaneously has something to say about it. I'd want to talk to him about life, how he sees the world. Just for myself. No cameras, no equipment, no nonsense. I wouldn't even record the audio, at most I'd make personal notes for myself, but that's it. Just for myself to reminisce and look back on.

That's really all. I'm a simple woman.
 
Honestly, I wouldn't want to do a broadcast interview at all. I'd prefer to just have a conversation, one on one, about what inspires him.
I go back and forth on this. This is what I really want, just a private conversation. The only reason I think about the interview angle is bc

1 - I do absolutely love interviews
2 - so many of Michael's interviews are massively unsatisfactory. And it didn't have to be like that, imo.

As for broadcasting it, well, that's not my primary reason for this whole fantasy. I don't have any objections to it being broadcast but it's not the driving force behind this mad daydream.

Not even just music, but also books, movies, art, quotes...
These are the fantasy conversations I have with him. But I'm also intrigued as to how I could turn that into an interview. The best interviews are like a conversation. It can be done. It takes skill and time and intelligence and care for your interviewee. But it can be done.

Songwriting wouldn't even be on the list, unless he spontaneously has something to say about it.
Exactly so. In my (fantasy) conversations about the music he listened to in the 60's and 70's it could easily segue into a natural, spontaneous convo about his own music. And I'm not gonna say no to that, lol. But it doesn't have to go there at all. Just finding out what Michael thought about all of this type of stuff, that would be so satisfying in itself.

I'd want to talk to him about life, how he sees the world. Just for myself.
That would be so lovely.

No cameras, no equipment, no nonsense. I wouldn't even record the audio,
But I'm still conflicted about this. Bc I'm convinced it can be done in a way that is not only painless for Michael but he actually enjoys the process. Sometimes, in my really wild version of my fantasy, it starts as an unrecorded convo but then I do another conversation which does get recorded. That always ends up feeling too cumbersome, though, which is why that idea never really goes anywhere. I think I'm all in for a proper interview.

at most I'd make personal notes for myself, but that's it. Just for myself to reminisce and look back on.
I understand this but I want stuff for a box set. I want something on DVD or whatever. I want stuff for the archive. I want these interviews to be there as part of Michael's legacy. I want that on film for all eternity. I want everyone to see his brilliant mind. Not everyone wants to listen to his music and I'm OK with that. If these interviews did get broadcast some of the audience would not necessarily be familiar with Michael's work. But they would be interested enough to watch and what they would find is a man who is beautiful and brilliant and SO interesting. So I'm stuck. I do need to record this thing.

That's really all. I'm a simple woman.
Same. But I am also mad keen on interviews and the best ones are absolute treasures, imo. So that's why I want this.

It's funny bc I had successfully put this fantasy to bed - I genuinely hadn't given it a second's thought until Mr JT did this thread - and now it's raging all over again, lol.
 
Probably because they were the most popular hosts and/or talk shows in the USA during that time. It's like he didn't go and do interviews with Donnie Simpson on Video Soul, who would more likely to talk about his music than about gossip. Mike did appear the Ebony/Jet show in the early 1980s. It's been said that Oprah is a billionaire or close to it, so that tells you how popular she was during her heyday. She's the reason Rachael Ray, Dr. Phil, & Dr. Oz got TV shows, Oprah discovered them. Books by authors she recommened on her show would quick jump in sales. How many other hosts have their own cable TV network?

It seems to me that Mike was more interested in doing celebrity interviews that would reach a bigger audience. Why else do a joint interview with Lisa Marie? The general public is not interested in music interviews, but they do like dirt (Jerry Springer, Maury "You are the father", reality TV, lol). That's how the Kardashian family got mainstream famous and became rich, Kim & Ray J's sex tape.
It has been written that Michael Jackson decided to appear (along with his then-wife Lisa Marie Presley) in the Prime Time Live Interview for a very specific purpose.

The purpose was to rehabilitate his tarnished image, after the child sexual abuse accusations against him.

That is also why, ABC TV network kept advertising it as an interview of serious journalism, rather than of entertainment.

Diane Sawyer's impartial opening monologue (in the beginning of that interview) also seemed to have served that purpose of serious journalism.
 
This is why I need a co-producing credit. I am overflowing with ideas, constantly. Together we will develop a project so fantastical in nature we will delude ourselves into believing that the afterlife is really just some version of reality in which it will.
So now that I'm fed and watered, my brain has settled down. I have done one of my spectacular U-turns and realised that I absolutely DO need you on board as co-producer. You were always on my list to do one (or two or four) of the interviews but now you do need to be a producer, also. Not an exec producer, a proper producer, the real deal. Bc I can't nail down all of my ideas on my own. It's blimmin' hard being a producer. I had no idea how many decisions there are to be made, lol.

This fantasy is not going away!

I want more depositions to leaked. The 93 and 94 one are fascinating
This is basically why I have this mad fantasy in the first place. Bc those depos are so interesting. Once you set aside the awfulness of the spurious claims and Michael having to waste time in court - especially in 1993 when he's exhausted and ill - what you've got is an insanely interesting insight into his creative process, how his brain works, how he expresses himself when talking about all of this and so much more.

With the exception of Ebony/Jet 1987 and MTV 1999 I think I would trade all the other tv interviews for the first hour of the Mexico depo. Or maybe not but I would be strongly tempted. I don't know how many YT channels have the Mexico depo but the one I always watch has well over 1m views. For a crappy picture quality court proceeding! This is Michael. This is how interesting he is, that we will sit through a dry court proceeding just to hear him talk about his work and sing a bit of acappella.

I know you know all of this. I'm just getting carried away again. The madness is strong, lol.
 
@zinniabooklover You're not wrong about the existing interviews with Michael. It's why I love the Ebony-Jet one so much, since 1) there are actually interesting questions being asked, and 2) the interviewer is very respectful towards Michael. Both of these things are so refreshing! I certainly wouldn't have minded more interviews like that.

For myself, though, I'd have no interest to do a formal interview with him. I'd really just wanna have a chat, just for myself. It feels much more low-key and has the potential to be more spontaneous. I do understand the interview fantasy, but I'm not exactly cut for that sorta thing, lol. The thing is, though, I'm an amateur artist myself (multiple fields) and all I really wanna talk about with other creatives is about what inspires them. Not even necessarily about how they created work A or work B, since oftentimes it can just be that spontaneous, but more in general. I take inspiration from all sorts of things - sometimes, music can inspire my writing, a book can inspire my drawing, a movie can inspire a song, or sometimes I'm inspired by nature or architecture. Religion, mythology and philosophy can also really inspire me. It doesn't have to be specific at all, moreso general sources of inspiration, though again, if it ever gets specific spontaneously that's fine by me as well.

Your idea is very good though!! Just not something I myself would do. I'd just get extremely nervous if I'm doing it right, on top of already being nervous because it's Michael friggen Jackson, so it'd just turn into a horrible mess LOL, I can already tell.
 
@zinniabooklover You're not wrong about the existing interviews with Michael. It's why I love the Ebony-Jet one so much, since 1) there are actually interesting questions being asked, and 2) the interviewer is very respectful towards Michael. Both of these things are so refreshing! I certainly wouldn't have minded more interviews like that.
If only the Ebony / Jet (and maybe also MTV 1999) was 30 mins instead of less than 15. Sigh.

For myself, though, I'd have no interest to do a formal interview with him. I'd really just wanna have a chat, just for myself. It feels much more low-key and has the potential to be more spontaneous.
I would love this SO much.

I do understand the interview fantasy, but I'm not exactly cut for that sorta thing, lol.
Yeah, well, I'm not sure I am, either. My fantasy is all OVER the place. Having brazenly rejected sw23's offer of being a co-producer I am now frantically trying to recruit her. :ROFLMAO:

I have too many ideas!

And this is just for a fantasy! Not even a real thing, lol.

The thing is, though, I'm an amateur artist myself (multiple fields) and all I really wanna talk about with other creatives is about what inspires them. Not even necessarily about how they created work A or work B, since oftentimes it can just be that spontaneous, but more in general. I take inspiration from all sorts of things - sometimes, music can inspire my writing, a book can inspire my drawing, a movie can inspire a song, or sometimes I'm inspired by nature or architecture. Religion, mythology and philosophy can also really inspire me. It doesn't have to be specific at all, moreso general sources of inspiration, though again, if it ever gets specific spontaneously that's fine by me as well.
This 1000%.

Your idea is very good though!! Just not something I myself would do. I'd just get extremely nervous if I'm doing it right, on top of already being nervous because it's Michael friggen Jackson, so it'd just turn into a horrible mess
Hm, sometimes this freakin' fantasy feels like a horrible mess. There is SO much to sort out, decide upon, organise, troubleshoot for to make sure nothing goes wrong. Making sure everything works so Michael doesn't feel uncomfortable.

LOL, I can already tell.
I really think I need to put my fantasy back in the filing cabinet at the back of my mind, lock the drawer and maybe throw away the key and then get back to, you know, RL. :ROFLMAO:

Indulging in this fantasy can only lead to madness and despair, lol.
 
Yeah, well, I'm not sure I am, either. My fantasy is all OVER the place. Having brazenly rejected sw23's offer of being a co-producer I am now frantically trying to recruit her. :ROFLMAO:
Unsurprisingly, I am not a hard sell, lol

I am already drawing up the paperwork. It's happening.
 
Unsurprisingly, I am not a hard sell, lol

I am already drawing up the paperwork. It's happening.
Excellent news. Bc the daily rate I was going to offer you had already been tripled. That's not counting bonuses, expenses, a consultancy fee and a six-figure sum if you can get Michael to agree to attend a performance of Swan Lake with me.
 
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