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The Discussion of MJ's Unreleased Tracks

threepea11 said:
It written in 1989 but not recorded until 1994
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I was mistaken lol, it was written in 1994 but was recorded in 1997.
"...Brad Buxer pointed out that he spent years developing the song—first during the HIStory sessions, then for Blood on the Dance Floor, and finally for Invincible. What begins as a minimalist groove gradually unfolds into an intricate and ethereal sonic canvas—lush strings, an entrancing harp, and a mournful trumpet. Buxer described the track as “unbelievable and it proves once again how Michael was a genius. I play almost every instrument on this song, but all [the] ideas are Michael.” The 1997 demo, recorded in Switzerland, was released on Michael Jackson: The Ultimate Collection in 2004."
 
ChanceToDance said:
I was mistaken lol, it was written in 1994 but was recorded in 1997.
"...Brad Buxer pointed out that he spent years developing the song—first during the HIStory sessions, then for Blood on the Dance Floor, and finally for Invincible. What begins as a minimalist groove gradually unfolds into an intricate and ethereal sonic canvas—lush strings, an entrancing harp, and a mournful trumpet. Buxer described the track as “unbelievable and it proves once again how Michael was a genius. I play almost every instrument on this song, but all [the] ideas are Michael.” The 1997 demo, recorded in Switzerland, was released on Michael Jackson: The Ultimate Collection in 2004."
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huh, interesting
 
ChanceToDance said:
-Christmas Star, Are You Ready and Murder are fake. I'm not sure about Fear, what's the source on that one?
-Innocent Man wasn't reworked in 2008. Maybe it was but for now it's not confirmed.
-You forgot about In The Back, Bombay Nights, Christmas Song (theme for Home Alone made in 1994), Ask DD, Ask Rene 3, The Best Thing and MJ's cover of Delilah.
-What SeriousFX said above, there were no songs made for BOTDF as everything on the album are leftovers from either Dangerous or HIStory. The songs you mentioned are from Ghosts.
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Who told you about Delilah MJ Cover
 
filmandmusic said:
Dang in the back is such an interesting song sonically. It is not even a bummer it is vocally incomplete so we concentrate on the music better. The few lyrics it has bring the theme and feeling he was going for home anyway.

Michael in the 90s was completely unpredictable!
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And to think it's the same guy that sang Baby Be Mine lol.
 
ChanceToDance said:
-Christmas Star, Are You Ready and Murder are fake. I'm not sure about Fear, what's the source on that one?
-Innocent Man wasn't reworked in 2008. Maybe it was but for now it's not confirmed.
-You forgot about In The Back, Bombay Nights, Christmas Song (theme for Home Alone made in 1994), Ask DD, Ask Rene 3, The Best Thing and MJ's cover of Delilah.
-What SeriousFX said above, there were no songs made for BOTDF as everything on the album are leftovers from either Dangerous or HIStory. The songs you mentioned are from Ghosts.
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Actually, "Murder" was listed in Francois Allard's book. Apparently, it was the original, working title for "Money." Also, "X-Mas Star," "Christmas Star," and "Christmas Song" are the same. Never heard of "Fear" and "Are You Ready," pretty sure those are fake.
 
If Michael was still among us I’d tell him

Why why why Delilah?
I could see, that song is no good for thee
Forgive me Michael I just can’t take it seriously
 
AlwaysThere said:
“Delilah”? Haven’t seen this one. Is that from the US Copyright Office?
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It's from a Reddit AMA made by an Assistant Audio Engineer who worked on HIStory.
https://www.reddit.com/r/MichaelJackson/comments/bhi3u6/_/elt99gn
"Yes actually. I didn't hear many tracks that were cut, but two stuck out to me. Basszouille, which had circus vibes in an orchestral type way. It sounds a lot like Little Susie because the texture of instruments is the same. Another was a cover of Tom Jone's Delilah, but funky with a swingbeat."
 
ChanceToDance said:
It's from a Reddit AMA made by an Assistant Audio Engineer who worked on HIStory.
https://www.reddit.com/r/MichaelJackson/comments/bhi3u6/_/elt99gn
"Yes actually. I didn't hear many tracks that were cut, but two stuck out to me. Basszouille, which had circus vibes in an orchestral type way. It sounds a lot like Little Susie because the texture of instruments is the same. Another was a cover of Tom Jone's Delilah, but funky with a swingbeat."
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I’m so skeptical of this AMA. It’s extraordinarily easy for someone to lie in situations like this. Obviously doesn’t discredit it, but I’d love to know if this was actually him.
 
AlwaysThere said:
I’m so skeptical of this AMA. It’s extraordinarily easy for someone to lie in situations like this. Obviously doesn’t discredit it, but I’d love to know if this was actually him.
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Usually people who do AMAs are verified by moderators beforehand. I don't know if this one in particular was verified also.
 
AlwaysThere said:
Buz has spoken to Joe Vogel and Mike Smallcombe about them. All that is known is that they were recorded between 1983-84, they’re similar in style to something like “Seeing Voices,” and at least two songs (“Make a Wish” and “Neverland Landing”) have vocals.

Someone I spoke with years ago said that “Neverland Landing” was fairly complete vocally and was very Disney-esque.
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So I was just wondering, is it possible that 'Scared Of The Moon' was also meant for the Peter Pan movie? It sounds so perfect for that
 
AlwaysThere said:
I’m so skeptical of this AMA. It’s extraordinarily easy for someone to lie in situations like this. Obviously doesn’t discredit it, but I’d love to know if this was actually him.
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Right? That’s what I thought from the very beginning. No one else besides this random user has talked about these songs and described them in this manner. Could just be a fan with a wild imagination.
 
AlwaysThere said:
I’m so skeptical of this AMA. It’s extraordinarily easy for someone to lie in situations like this. Obviously doesn’t discredit it, but I’d love to know if this was actually him.
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I agree. My guess is it's a teenage fan pretending to be this relatively unknown engineer. His posts in the AMA are very odd and mostly repeat Wikipedia articles and comments found on YouTube.

Plus, he doesn't even seem like a native speaker of English. The word order is strange... Convoluted sentences with multiple commas... No way is this a middle-aged recording engineer from Colorado.

"It sounded too much like Basszouille haha."
"Yeah, I rarely ever get to talk about my life's work, and it's not like papers are hitting me up anymore haha."
"The best way I can phrase it is, imagine the song Circus Girl, the Thriller outtake, but played with the instruments on Little Susie. I would say more, but I really can't stay awake any longer, and my wife's mad enough at me! Haha. Goodnight all, will answer more tomorrow!"

LOL!!! 🤣
 
SmoothGangsta said:
Yeah, I've always been kinda confused as to why people are just taking those posts as gospel.
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Similarly there's posts in here from people trying to act as the gospel when they were calling me out for sharing a 'fake' Lovely Way snippet

Lyrics don't make sense, it's not MJ etc

Hardly any 'authority' on this topic is worth listening to, bar someone like AlwaysThere, Shields etc
 
ChanceToDance said:
Do you know if there's any outtake of his from the Invincible sessions? 1/4th of the songs on the album comes from him so there's gotta be something, even if it's just a writer's demo.
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Not that I know of. During that same exchange, I explicitly asked him if there were any unreleased Riley-MJ songs left, and he said "Joy" was the only one. There may be writer demos, but I don't think there is anything else he and Michael actually worked on together.
 
dam2040 said:
Similarly there's posts in here from people trying to act as the gospel when they were calling me out for sharing a 'fake' Lovely Way snippet

Lyrics don't make sense, it's not MJ etc

Hardly any 'authority' on this topic is worth listening to, bar someone like AlwaysThere, Shields etc
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Yeah, it seems like there's more and more people here who like to speak with authority on things and it's rather tiring to read. Especially when they're just flat out wrong lol.
 
Alec said:
Not that I know of. During that same exchange, I explicitly asked him if there were any unreleased Riley-MJ songs left, and he said "Joy" was the only one. There may be writer demos, but I don't think there is anything else he and Michael actually worked on together.
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That's disappointing. Maybe Damien was right when he said that there was hardly any outtake from Invincible left.
 
Yea it does, my spreadsheet is basically empty after Dangerous

And considering Michael wrote like 9/10 of his songs is amazing, no other artist even writes songs anymore

I swear, if Stop That's instrumental actually is Tomboy, (which im now 80% certain) then HOLY CRAP that might be the best unreleased song next to Streetwalker '87, Hot Street, TYLA, and Cheater
 
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‘Ryan Arnolds’ has also posted other questionable things, such as this:

I think I would liken his approach to instruments to a child... but it worked, really well at that. He would take an instrument, say the Korg M1 used on Scream. He would fiddle with the knobs (changing the presets) and feel for a sound. Once he found a basic idea, he would refine it by fiddling further and further. Mind you Mr. Jackson would spend hours and hours doing this for some synths, but other times just five minutes. I think he found the sound he was looking for on the M1 relatively quick, within a half hour. From there he would make sounds with his voice and clap while attempting to play. Jimmy would be recording this, so it's all on tape in his archives, and at a particular point Michael would just get it. He would spend all that time messing around on the keyboard, like a kid in a music shop, and then out of nowhere he'd say, "There, right there! Did you get that?" It would be a chord progression he was trying to figure out.
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We know from Brad Buxer that Michael never really “fiddled“ with any keyboards or synths when writing music, that was Buxer’s job, and in earlier times John Barnes’. I’m not saying he never touched an instrument when in the studio, but the idea that he would search for chord progressions for hours seems to me to not be based in any species of truth .
 
ChanceToDance said:
-Christmas Star, Are You Ready and Murder are fake. I'm not sure about Fear, what's the source on that one?
-Innocent Man wasn't reworked in 2008. Maybe it was but for now it's not confirmed.
-You forgot about In The Back, Bombay Nights, Christmas Song (theme for Home Alone made in 1994), Ask DD, Ask Rene 3, The Best Thing and MJ's cover of Delilah.
-What SeriousFX said above, there were no songs made for BOTDF as everything on the album are leftovers from either Dangerous or HIStory. The songs you mentioned are from Ghosts.
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@ChanceToDance when was bombay nights written?
 
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