Yeah, maybe not Water but there's a chance that they might use Dark Lady since it only has scratch vocals with incoherent lyrics, the Estate can't use the song for anything. I'm thinking that they'll go for songs that we never heard of anyways.
I was under the impression that dark lady has a fairly complete chorus.
From what I understood from the limited rumour is that the songs won’t have MJ vocals
The chorus is the furthest along but it's still very incomplete. If the Estate has no interest in releasing it as a demo their only option is to give the song away entirely.
Right. That's my assumption, as well. It's a "tribute" album.
The part where he talks about MJ starts at 6:30. He said that the Estate reached out to Brody Brown in 2018 to remix some tracks, John McClain gave him some sets of unreleased tracks and let Brody choose what songs to remix. He wanted the tracks to sound "80's style" with "60's style snares" but the Estate wanted another type of sound.I only watched the first few seconds and don't know at what point in the video they talk about his work on an unreleased MJ song. Maybe someone of you has time to find the information
Damien said that the secret producer was an MJ alum, so it can’t be him. I’m guessing either Rodney or Teddy Riley.
I wasn't talking about what Damien had said, I was talking about the article which the news about new singles being worked on in 2018 came from.
Yeah, Damien was referring to that. He said the “high-profile producer” was someone who worked with/for MJ in the past. I’m hunting for the tweet now.I wasn't talking about what Damien had said, I was talking about the article which the news about new singles being worked on in 2018 came from.
"It has been revealed that Michael Jackson estate co-executor John McClain is “reworking a batch of tracks alongside a high-profile producer the estate wants to keep secret for a one-off release,” as the Los Angelos Times reports."Michael Jackson Estate “Reworking” Songs for Posthumous Release
Sony Music: “There are a few gems out there that we may unearth individually over the next months and years”pitchfork.com
I remember it more clearly now. He could still be the high profile producer the article was talking about since everything Brody said applies there. Clearly there's more that the Estate was hiding up the sleeve.
It would have pleased the fans maybe.
Interesting stuff. I’ve said before that Silk Sonic should produce unreleased tracks. This guy could be a good choice.I only watched the first few seconds and don't know at what point in the video they talk about his work on an unreleased MJ song. Maybe someone of you has time to find the information
Maybe it would have pleased MJ depending on what era the songs are from. I'm thinking that a considerable number of the songs come from the 80's anyways since that's when a lot of the releasable outtakes comes from. It'd also be weird to pick a song from the 2000's and turn it into an 80's style song lol.
Not a name I would have picked, but it's such a good choice. Silk Sonic and his work with Bruno Mars is fantastic. I'd love to know what songs he was asked to rework.I only watched the first few seconds and don't know at what point in the video they talk about his work on an unreleased MJ song. Maybe someone of you has time to find the information
I'm not gonna say what would have pleased MJ. I know he just enjoyed music, he was a fan of all sounds. The 80s wasn't a "style", it was just the way things were really. It's like saying the Neptune's sound was the 2000s, or Dallas Austin or Nirvana was the 90s. Idk what a song like Billie Jean would sound in the 90s or 2000s but I think it's too powerful to not shine no matter what the genre/influence is. So it could easily be made to shine in the modern fashion. The Teddy Riley remake of Dangerous will always shine through in my mind, a great upgrade. Too bad he never did go back to a straight 70s/80s outtake for Invincible. Guess the closest things are Best of Joy and Cheater.
While I would've wanted to hear way more music by now, and wish it had processed. Part of the hype behind MJ is the wait between albums. 4 years after Xscape would've been pretty soon. Especially since that was 4 years after Michael. Not to mention the Anniversary stuff/duets in between.
You know what I mean though, Brody wanted the songs to be as natural as possible and it's really hard to imagine a song of MJ's outside of the 80's to be remixed into a song from that time period. Just check the 80's fan-made recreations on YT, most if not all of them sound out of place, except for the remixes that are from songs from the 80's in fact. Even 80's songs remixed into other eras sound extremely out of place and just not natural at all.
4-5 years is a long wait already and that's how it was for most MJ albums. Thriller came out 3 years after OTW, Bad came out 5 years after Thriller and Dangerous came out 4 years after Bad and so on. The only exception to that was with BOTDF and Invincible and even then waiting over 8 years for new content is way too long and not right at all.
It's a vocal demo of Beat It. Before MJ recorded it in his home studio, he dictated it to tape. That was how he did it with most of not all of his songs. Check The Girl Is Mine Vocal Demo being played in the 1993 Deposition for his songwriting.
I mean, going back to disco or pop/R&B is basically what we're talking about. Throwbacks like that happen all the time. LNFSG wasn't a disco tune but yet, it worked. It was pretty barebones though.
I don't rate many fan mixes that highly anyway tbh, so idk, you kinda lost me. But:
It was never this long, but for the Invincible follow up it would've been. My point is, we never got MJ material annually. It did need to slow down at least a little.
I definitely didn’t think of that he probably multitracked the vocal demo and then created the music around it with Wolfer
There definitely is a proper demo of “Beat It.” Matt Forger spoke about it in his “6 Songs 6 Stories” video with Brad Sundberg. Apparently some of the synths were also taken directly from the demo by Quincy for the finished track, so you’d have to think it’s decently developed.
Do you guys think the estate edits the demos they release?
Of course they edit them, although not like that, most of the times the most they do is cut them, or fade them out.
I feel like they might edit the instrumentation so they don’t have to credit the session musicians. (Ex: Who Do You Know has a weird sample from Stranger In Moscow). Also there is an completely different mix of the WBSS demo that exists
This is one of the crazier and most unrealistic claims from recent years lol. It isn’t unprecedented for MJ to reuse sounds, drums, or even melodies in his music, especially from songs that were never released. Occam’s razor and all.
To some extent, definitely. Some of the Bad 25 demos were newly mixed, and Damien Shields said that the released version of “The Toy” was 20ish seconds shorter than the one he heard.