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The Discussion of MJ's Unreleased Tracks

Gluepix said:
I’ve always wondered something, for how long were those notes stuck on Michael’s wall? Because that could give us a clue about the state of completion for many of these songs. Were they stamped on his wall for a few years already by the time of his death? He might’ve made significant progress in many of these during that time frame, or at very least vocally completed them. Were they stamped on his wall for a few weeks or days by the time of his death? Well, it’s likely that he never got to work on them much, if at all.
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These songs were all brought to the table at some point between 2006 and 2009, so I think it’s safe to say these were MJ’s priority tracks.

Unfortunately, most of them aren’t releasable. There’s a few titles we know nothing about, but of those we can identify, it’s a bunch of instrumentals with a chorus here or a scratch vocal there.
 
AlwaysThere said:
These songs were all brought to the table at some point between 2006 and 2009, so I think it’s safe to say these were MJ’s priority tracks.

Unfortunately, most of them aren’t releasable. There’s a few titles we know nothing about, but of those we can identify, it’s a bunch of instrumentals with a chorus here or a scratch vocal there.
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Hoping we get to hear the material that MJ was so clearly excited about, however unfinished it may be.
 
I'm so curious about Silent Spring, MJ had it circled on the notes so it must've been an important song to him. Damien said it's an instrumental but he gave no further detail about it...
 
AlwaysThere said:
These songs were all brought to the table at some point between 2006 and 2009, so I think it’s safe to say these were MJ’s priority tracks.

Unfortunately, most of them aren’t releasable. There’s a few titles we know nothing about, but of those we can identify, it’s a bunch of instrumentals with a chorus here or a scratch vocal there.
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Best we can ask for is tribute covers if the lyrics are available.
 
ChanceToDance said:
Huh. He's actually responding to questions now. He said that Crack Kills is an okay song and he's also said there are some outtakes from Invincible that he's heard. Would be cool to get some unknown info from him, like the state of completion of Tomboy/Turning Me Off and such, he's the most well-informed person when it comes to songs from the Bad era.

Try not to flood him with too many questions of course lol.
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When he said about invincible outtakes maybe those songs with writers vocals not MJ
 
I’ll take anything. Instrumentals, demos with scratch vocals, handwritten lyric sheets—literally anything to give us an idea where MJ was creatively. The only thing we’ve seen in the last 14 years were some handwritten lyrics for “You Were There,” and we stumbled across those a couple months ago.
 
AlwaysThere said:
I’ll take anything. Instrumentals, demos with scratch vocals, handwritten lyric sheets—literally anything to give us an idea where MJ was creatively. The only thing we’ve seen in the last 14 years were some handwritten lyrics for “You Were There,” and we stumbled across those a couple months ago.
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Unfortunately, MJ's legacy will likely never be given the intellectual appreciation [it deserves] that will justify releases like that.
 
AlwaysThere said:
I’ll take anything. Instrumentals, demos with scratch vocals, handwritten lyric sheets—literally anything to give us an idea where MJ was creatively. The only thing we’ve seen in the last 14 years were some handwritten lyrics for “You Were There,” and we stumbled across those a couple months ago.
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Where can i find those lyric sheets? And is it a „new“ song or just an updated version of the 80s „You Were There“?
 
JohnC said:
Unfortunately, MJ's legacy will likely never be given the intellectual appreciation [it deserves] that will justify releases like that.
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It's such a damn shame. I(we)'ve been complaining over same issue since 2010. You don't showcase ancient art in museums where people have added stuff to it, you show them how it was left by the artist. People are interested in that, same goes with music. Just because he is the KoP, doesn't mean you still need to create releases aimed for the current (horrible) modern music charts

I love the idea (nothing new of course) MJ101 mentioned yesterday. A type of "Sketches" release for unfinished music for example.

"Invincible - The Sketches"
"Dangerous - The Lost Sessions"

Just anything similar to this. We wouldn't need "all at once", just some, and then a year or two later, some more of it.
 
Pentum said:
Just because he is the KoP, doesn't mean you still need to create releases aimed for the current (horrible) modern music charts
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I actually agree, that you don't need to. But the fact that you can, and that they actually have, is worth noting. He's the KoP but you constantly have ignorant kids calling him out in ways no other artists do be having to deal with. I want to see MJ top the charts again. And it's better solo.
 
Gluepix said:
I’ve always wondered something, for how long were those notes stuck on Michael’s wall? Because that could give us a clue about the state of completion for many of these songs. Were they stamped on his wall for a few years already by the time of his death? He might’ve made significant progress in many of these during that time frame, or at very least vocally completed them. Were they stamped on his wall for a few weeks or days by the time of his death? Well, it’s likely that he never got to work on them much, if at all.
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He moved to the Carolwood residence in December 2008. So, the notes would have been taped to the wall anytime from December until June.
 
Hollywood_Tonight said:
That’s a shame, I was hoping that Rampage and You Don’t Love Me had at least some scratch vocals.
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I find it incredibly odd that Rodney Jenkins would tease Rampage as often as he does (and with such excitement), just for the track to wind up incomplete to the point of not even having scratch vocals.
 
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ChanceToDance said:
https://twitter.com/x/status/1656545594184445955
"...I interviewed Fred Jerkins (Rodney’s brother) and he told me he doesn’t recall any Darkchild outtakes *with vocals* beside Xscape, We’ve Had Enough and Weight Off Of Me."
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But later in this thread, we had another information : Joe Vogel talk to Michael Prince and Prince said to Vogel there are five Invincible outtakes produced by Rodney Jerkins and releasable. If my memory is good we have some titles of this possible songs : GYWOOM, Kick It, Pressure, The Pain.
And remember Rodney Jerkins said he has some unreleased work for the Estate.
Damien Shields only talk to Fred Jerkins brother. I think he has full informations about the 2003-2009 songs, but less about Invincible sessions.
Like i said in tweets i strongly beliece to a dozen of complete and finished Invincible outtakes.
 
Reading those lyrics on paper they appear contrived and uninspiring but I am sure Michael had a great melody and vocal prepared for it. While there is probably no professional studio recording I reckon it is not impossible for Michael to have sung these lines (and those of other unrecorded songs) on self made tapes scattered around.
 
I feel assumptions are what’s ultimately driving misinformation on the vault. Just because this song was on a couple lists, and just because MJ was still working on that song in 2009, doesn’t mean anything as far as completion goes. I believe firmly that there are more releasable tracks than we’re immediately aware of, but presumptions aren’t helping the already copious amount of confusion.
Pollonio said:
But later in this thread, we had another information : Joe Vogel talk to Michael Prince and Prince said to Vogel there are five Invincible outtakes produced by Rodney Jerkins and releasable. If my memory is good we have some titles of this possible songs : GYWOOM, Kick It, Pressure, The Pain.
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My immediate question would be, was MP taking into account the MJ/Jerkins outtakes we’ve already heard (“We’ve Had Enough,” “Escape,” and “Get Your Weight Off of Me”)? Are any of those tracks reworked versions of older demos (specifically the rumored update of “Cheater”)?

That’s the issue I’ve always had with these interviews and the drip-feed of information from certain sources: they ask a very base-level question and never expand further, leaving fans to speculate and jump to conclusions. Someone needs to sit with these producers, go through their archives, and write something that actually sets the record straight.
 
Yeah people are coming up with all sorts of explanations but the sad reality is that there isn't much left from HIStory and afterwards. A considerable amount of titles from Invincible aren't confirmed to exist and although it was an era full of outtakes, most of the songs got released already. And now we're left with instrumentals and writer's demos.

Same goes for the 2000's era, Brad Buxer himself said that there isn't a lot from that era because MJ didn't feel like recording so there's no reason to believe the Estate are withholding songs, otherwise we wouldn't have ended up with the Cascio tracks on the Michael album. Most we're going to get, if lucky, is 2 songs as Michael Prince said there's only 3 tracks that MJ finished recording in 2008 (Best Of Joy, I Was The Loser and the other track is unnamed).
 
ChanceToDance said:
Most we're going to get, if lucky, is 2 songs as Michael Prince said there's only 3 tracks that MJ finished recording in 2008 (Best Of Joy, I Was The Loser and the other track is unnamed).
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I’ve always suspected that the unnamed track was “Hollywood Tonight.” Somebody (Joe Vogel?) said additional ad-libs and background vocals were recorded during those sessions. I hope not, but with our luck it was.
 
AlwaysThere said:
I’ve always suspected that the unnamed track was “Hollywood Tonight.” Somebody (Joe Vogel?) said additional ad-libs and background vocals were recorded during those sessions. I hope not, but with our luck it was.
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Probably not, the bridge and the third verse weren't recorded so the song wasn't vocally finished by any means. Hopefuly it's a new track or an old track that wasn't completely developed.
 
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