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Michael and Akon made 4-5 songs. We have Hold My Hand and WBSS 2008. Does someone know the other titles?
 
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Hot_Street said:
Michael and Akon made 4-5 songs. We have Hold My Hand and WBSS 2008. Does someone know the other titles?
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They're just incomplete concepts. Akon said he's never going to release them.
"Akon said that Hold My Hand was one of the few unreleased Jackson tracks "that was actually fully complete". "The rest aren't," he said. "They're just ideas, concepts, and harmonies that the world will probably never see ... We've done plenty of records outside of this, but they were just incomplete ... I might just burn [them] after this interview."
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www.theguardian.com

Akon refuses to release unfinished Michael Jackson tracks

R&B star behind Hold My Hand says the rest of his Jackson collaborations were incomplete when the singer died
www.theguardian.com www.theguardian.com
 
SmoothMel7 said:
It seems to me that the other songs were more ideas, very primitive demos or instrumentals.
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But he just said they put together 4-5 songs/records, and about a million of ideas (meaning a lot more than just 4-5 ideas/songs). So how did you draw your conclusion?

Even if HMH and WBSS 08 are 2 of the songs, it still remains 2-3 more songs/records. And not saying those 2-3 songs are "fully completed tracks", but they are mentioned as songs, and might as well have verses and chorus. Akon has mentioned it earlier as well that there are very few completed tracks, but that means there are more than just HMH and WBSS 08.

ChanceToDance said:
They're just incomplete concepts. Akon said he's never going to release them.

www.theguardian.com

Akon refuses to release unfinished Michael Jackson tracks

R&B star behind Hold My Hand says the rest of his Jackson collaborations were incomplete when the singer died
www.theguardian.com www.theguardian.com
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""Akon said that Hold My Hand was one of the few unreleased Jackson tracks "that was actually fully complete". "The rest aren't," he said. "They're just ideas, concepts, and harmonies that the world will probably never see ... We've done plenty of records outside of this, but they were just incomplete ... I might just burn [them] after this interview.""
Exacly, "one of the few unreleased Jackson tracks that was actually fully complete" - meaning one of the 4-5 songs which Akon mentiioned just 7 months ago at Vlads interview posted above....
 
Pentum said:
But he just said they put together 4-5 songs/records, and about a million of ideas (meaning a lot more than just 4-5 ideas/songs). So how did you draw your conclusion?
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The songs could be the concepts he was talking about, just that they're the most further along compared to the short ideas they had.
Pentum said:
Exacly, "one of the few unreleased Jackson tracks that was actually fully complete"
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Akon was either been referring to the songs that MJ was making at the time in general, since everyone knows there isn't a lot from that era because MJ didn't feel like doing a lot of recording, especially after the HMH leak. Or he was referring to WBSS and HMH which are, in fact, the few songs that they completed.
 
ChanceToDance said:
The songs could be the concepts he was talking about, just that they're the most further along compared to the short ideas they had.

Akon was either been referring to the songs that MJ was making at the time in general, since everyone knows there isn't a lot from that era because MJ didn't feel like doing a lot of recording, especially after the HMH leak. Or he was referring to WBSS and HMH which are, in fact, the few songs that they completed.
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But you are ignoring the fact that he 7 months ago said "4-5 songs/records". Reviewing what he is saying, I lean way more towards there actually being 2-3 more songs left, than only HMH and WBSS. Not even a glass half full half empty scenario in this case IMO

4-5 songs and beside those, a million of ideas. His words 7 months ago.
 
Pentum said:
But you are ignoring the fact that he 7 months ago said "4-5 songs/records". Reviewing what he is saying, I lean way more towards there actually being 2-3 more songs left, than only HMH and WBSS. Not even a glass half full half empty scenario in this case IMO

4-5 songs and beside those, a million of ideas. His words 7 months ago.
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I rewatched the interview and I still don't see how Akon implies there are more songs that could be released, all he said is that MJ had millions of ideas of which Akon had to make him focus on one (which ended up turning into those 4 songs). Just because there's a track it doesn't necessarily mean it has full/partial vocals, they could be instrumentals with some harmonies or with no vocals at all, which matches with what Akon said on the article I posted.
 
ChanceToDance said:
I rewatched the interview and I still don't see how Akon implies there are more songs that could be released, all he said is that MJ had millions of ideas of which Akon had to make him focus on one (which ended up turning into those 4 songs). Just because there's a track it doesn't necessarily mean it has full/partial vocals, they could be instrumentals with some harmonies or with no vocals at all, which matches with what Akon said on the article I posted.
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Agree to disagree I guess.
 
Akon said they worked on four or five songs, but clarified that they’re harmonies and ideas. Nothing extensive or releasable. I don’t know how this is up for debate. Maybe there’s a full chorus out there, but I think people are getting their hopes up for nothing.
 
AlwaysThere said:
Akon said they worked on four or five songs, but clarified that they’re harmonies and ideas. Nothing extensive or releasable. I don’t know how this is up for debate. Maybe there’s a full chorus out there, but I think people are getting their hopes up for nothing.
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Where did he clarify this about those 4-5 records he said he had 7 months ago?

Also, why are you guys suddenly acting like releasable songs = only fully completed tracks? Pretty well known to us fans by now that even tracks like Days in G and Fall Again are releasable type of tracks by now

Considering only full blown production with full vocals and chorus and harmonies to now only count as releasable is ridiculous

SmoothGangsta said:
The songs are just ideas and aren't releasable or he would be releasing them
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Not really that great of an argument to be honest. Not releasing the rest he has does not automatically equal non-releasable material. Could be 10 other reasonable reasons
 
AlwaysThere said:
Akon said they worked on four or five songs, but clarified that they’re harmonies and ideas. Nothing extensive or releasable. I don’t know how this is up for debate. Maybe there’s a full chorus out there, but I think people are getting their hopes up for nothing.
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people are coping very hard on this thread rn
 
SmoothGangsta said:
Yeah, not really sure where this is coming from. It's been pretty well understood that they worked on stuff but Hold My Hand was the only one that they ended up finishing enough to be released.
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It comes from Akon. He said 4-5 songs. It's pretty clear.
There have to be 2 or 3 demos at least in the state of Ghost of another lover.
 
I guess Akons songs would need the Weeknd or Timberlake to fill the gaps and make it a hit.
With Hold My Hand its the same. This is Akon feat. Michael.
It's not impossible to do, oh
 
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Hot_Street said:
It comes from Akon. He said 4-5 songs. It's pretty clear.
There have to be 2 or 3 demos at least in the state of Ghost of another lover.
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I don't believe that's the case. I think the best example is "Stop Playin' Games". This is the most probable state of the songs. Demoes with a session singer. We know for a fact that Michael never got to record most of the post-Invincible era songs. Maybe one of them is in the same state as She Don't Love Me with just the chorus recorded.
 
I just remembered this:

In an interview of June 26, 2009, Giorgio Tuinfort, who worked with Akon, worked for 1 week in the studio with MJ in 2008. He said that there were several demos, some of which only ideas and harmonies, and among the demos there were two tracks that contained MJ's vocals. One is HMH. The other may very well be just a chorus for example.

For information, Giorgio Tuinfort is at the origin, with John McCain, of the first remix of LNFSG.
 
ChanceToDance said:
He said they've done other records outside of HMH, but it's all incomplete to the point he wants to do nothing with them. The only thing new about the interview is that he gave a specific number.
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Akon is like will.i.am, who lets the vocals rot in his vault.
 
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Hot_Street said:
I guess Akons songs would need the Weeknd or Timberlake to fill the gaps and make it a hit.
With Hold My Hand its the same. This is Akon feat. Michael.
It's not impossible to do, oh
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They are not gonna do that my guy. Akon ain't even in vogue no more.
 
A fun exercise one day would be to imagine what songs would have been made ready if there were no leaks in the 90s and 2000s.
 
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