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The Discussion of MJ's Unreleased Tracks

ChanceToDance said:
The estate had so many songs in hand for the Michael album - and I'm sure they had more that we don't know of since this is the first time we're ever hearing about If You Don't Love Me's inclusion - that it just makes me question more and more why instead of going for a few of the dozens of real songs they had available, they decided to go with 3 fake songs and thought they could fool everyone into thinking that it wasn't an impersonator singing them even though it obviously was, and on top of that how no one over Sony tried to oppose to those 3 tracks being released. Like, this is a level of idiocy that irks me lol. The Faking Michael podcast can't come out soon enough because at the end of it all this is a story that fascinates me and I really want to know how a fraud of this scale came to be.
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Sony and the Estate - fits like hand in glove
 
ChanceToDance said:
that it just makes me question more and more why instead of going for a few of the dozens of real songs they had available, they decided to go with 3 fake songs and thought they could fool everyone into thinking that it wasn't an impersonator singing them even though it obviously was, and on top of that how no one over Sony tried to oppose to those 3 tracks being released.
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They fit that "late 2000s" era we want to hear, but very few songs actually fit. After Will.i.am bowed out, probably they were desperate. Also

The people at Sony pushed for the album and probably their inclusion. Multiple people, John McClain himself, boycotted them. Branca and the head of Sony overruled him.
 
Fuzball said:
Bill Bottrell on X:

I just went and listened to the 2010 version [of IYDLM].
To my surprise the small fixes and a better mix did improve the overall experience. Nothing dramatic though.
Regarding what didn't make Dangerous:
This one if M. and I could've finished it
Earth Song
Monkey Business
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I wonder what the reworked version would sound like
 
Did anyone ever manage to archive the alleged snippet of "Turning Me Off" that floated around ? I believe it was mentioned on TheMJCast.
 
ChanceToDance said:
The estate had so many songs in hand for the Michael album - and I'm sure they had more that we don't know of since this is the first time we're ever hearing about If You Don't Love Me's inclusion - that it just makes me question more and more why instead of going for a few of the dozens of real songs they had available, they decided to go with 3 fake songs and thought they could fool everyone into thinking that it wasn't an impersonator singing them even though it obviously was, and on top of that how no one over Sony tried to oppose to those 3 tracks being released. Like, this is a level of idiocy that irks me lol.

The Faking Michael podcast can't come out soon enough because at the end of it all this is a story that fascinates me and I really want to know how a fraud of this scale came to be.
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Jason isn’t even close to MJ lmao like his accent, his vibrato and all dat don’t make sense, also “EVERYBODY WATCHING THE NEWS OF MICHAEL JACKSON”
 
Fuzball said:
Bill Bottrell on X:

I just went and listened to the 2010 version [of IYDLM].
To my surprise the small fixes and a better mix did improve the overall experience. Nothing dramatic though.
Regarding what didn't make Dangerous:
This one if M. and I could've finished it
Earth Song
Monkey Business
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As interesting as it would've been, I can't picture these on the final configuration of Dangerous.
 
BlackAnon said:
For me, they don't fit the overall feel of Dangerous. I don't see ES existing on the same album as HTW, WYBT and KTF without removing 1 or 2 of them.....as far as production, IYDLM doesn't sound like anything on the album and MB feels like a bside.

How would you arrange them on the track list?
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I would replace htw with es and would get rid of clhga & sdmw in favour of iydlm & botdf. I would also swap gts with fat.

As for mb, probably ktf would have to leave.
 
I'll never understand you people who don't like Dangerous' album tracks. There's 80% less blackness in this album when you get rid of so much of Teddy Riley, AND Keep The Faith. Just unfair.
 
Fuzball said:
I would replace htw with es and would get rid of clhga & sdmw in favour of iydlm & botdf. I would also swap gts with fat.

As for mb, probably ktf would have to leave.
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Jam
In the Closet
If You Don't Love Me
Remember the Time
Blood on the Dance Floor
Earth Song
Black or White
Who Is It
Give In to Me
Will You Be There
Monkey Business
For All Time
Dangerous

I don't know.....IYDLM would throw me off with production.

She Got It would've been a good addition also and I can see that replacing SDMW or CLHGA
 
BlackAnon said:
Jam
In the Closet
If You Don't Love Me
Remember the Time
Blood on the Dance Floor
Earth Song
Black or White
Who Is It
Give In to Me
Will You Be There
Monkey Business
For All Time
Dangerous

I don't know.....IYDLM would throw me off with production.

She Got It would've been a good addition also and I can see that replacing SDMW or CLHGA
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IYDLM would be to Black or White what Can't Let Her Get Away is to Remember The Time for most people.
 
Based on the 1993 deposition, we can infer that Rolling the Dice was a home demo that never left Hayvenhurst, like several tracks from Prince’s “Piano and a Microphone 1983” (i.e. Cold Coffee and Cocaine). If this is the case, it’s likely that the reason it was left off of Thriller 40 was because it wasn’t up to the vocal par that the Estate requires to release a song, and not Quincy’s rejection, as Quincy would’ve had no say on it. All of the home demos are very rough scratch vocals, laying the groundwork. The reason we have the home demos we have is because they are from songs Michael either released or worked on in an actual studio (Behind the Mask). Something that never made it to a studio probably isn’t going to be released.
 
mrscolisosis said:
Based on the 1993 deposition, we can infer that Rolling the Dice was a home demo that never left Hayvenhurst, like several tracks from Prince’s “Piano and a Microphone 1983” (i.e. Cold Coffee and Cocaine). If this is the case, it’s likely that the reason it was left off of Thriller 40 was because it wasn’t up to the vocal par that the Estate requires to release a song, and not Quincy’s rejection, as Quincy would’ve had no say on it. All of the home demos are very rough scratch vocals, laying the groundwork. The reason we have the home demos we have is because they are from songs Michael either released or worked on in an actual studio (Behind the Mask). Something that never made it to a studio probably isn’t going to be released.
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Huh interesting
 
ChanceToDance said:
The estate had so many songs in hand for the Michael album - and I'm sure they had more that we don't know of since this is the first time we're ever hearing about If You Don't Love Me's inclusion - that it just makes me question more and more why instead of going for a few of the dozens of real songs they had available, they decided to go with 3 fake songs and thought they could fool everyone into thinking that it wasn't an impersonator singing them even though it obviously was, and on top of that how no one over Sony tried to oppose to those 3 tracks being released. Like, this is a level of idiocy that irks me lol.

The Faking Michael podcast can't come out soon enough because at the end of it all this is a story that fascinates me and I really want to know how a fraud of this scale came to be.
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The estate/Sony were not aware that the songs were illegitimate, that is why. Some people had raised suspicions about the songs but they were obviously overruled and released anyway.
 
FlyAway0086 said:
Did anyone ever manage to archive the alleged snippet of "Turning Me Off" that floated around ? I believe it was mentioned on TheMJCast.
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I've wondered this as well but it is possible that they were referring to some fake snippets in 2020 that were random MJ adlibs plastered over the instrumental of Take On Me lol.
 
mrscolisosis said:
Based on the 1993 deposition, we can infer that Rolling the Dice was a home demo that never left Hayvenhurst, like several tracks from Prince’s “Piano and a Microphone 1983” (i.e. Cold Coffee and Cocaine). If this is the case, it’s likely that the reason it was left off of Thriller 40 was because it wasn’t up to the vocal par that the Estate requires to release a song, and not Quincy’s rejection, as Quincy would’ve had no say on it. All of the home demos are very rough scratch vocals, laying the groundwork. The reason we have the home demos we have is because they are from songs Michael either released or worked on in an actual studio (Behind the Mask). Something that never made it to a studio probably isn’t going to be released.
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We've gotten multiple songs that never made it to a studio. What a Lovely Way To Go is hilariously unfinished.
 
mrscolisosis said:
Based on the 1993 deposition, we can infer that Rolling the Dice was a home demo that never left Hayvenhurst, like several tracks from Prince’s “Piano and a Microphone 1983” (i.e. Cold Coffee and Cocaine). If this is the case, it’s likely that the reason it was left off of Thriller 40 was because it wasn’t up to the vocal par that the Estate requires to release a song, and not Quincy’s rejection, as Quincy would’ve had no say on it. All of the home demos are very rough scratch vocals, laying the groundwork. The reason we have the home demos we have is because they are from songs Michael either released or worked on in an actual studio (Behind the Mask). Something that never made it to a studio probably isn’t going to be released.
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well, some of your so called "home demos":
  • I'm So Blue
  • Free
  • Price Of Fame
  • Al Capone
  • Do You Know Where Your Children Are
 
“There are a couple of songs we recorded for the Bad album that we had to cut that are just sensational.”
- Frank DiLeo to RS magazine in early 2010

I'm pretty sure Frank meant songs that were worked at Westlake. From the engineers we know that only 12 songs were fully finished.

Price Of Fame and Crack Kills were worked on until early 1987 (prob Feb/Mar??). Fly Away, Someone Put Your Hand Out, Turning Me Off, Al Capone, Don't Be Messin' Around were worked on at least until late 1986. Maybe there're other songs that were still on the table in 1987 that haven't been mentioned by engineers yet?!?
 
@Fuzball I hope so mate. Bad era is my favourite era, Mike was just in the zone during that time.

I like listening to the evolution of Dangerous demo's, if you go from Work That Body/She Got It and work your way through to songs that almost made the record, you can hear them beginning to sound more polished/focused and they start have more flourishes of that Michael sound
 
Clay7 said:
I've wondered this as well but it is possible that they were referring to some fake snippets in 2020 that were random MJ adlibs plastered over the instrumental of Take On Me lol.
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Thanks for the insight. I had no idea about that. Sounds akin to that Bee Gees track being passed off as "Tomboy". lmao.
 
Clay7 said:
The estate/Sony were not aware that the songs were illegitimate, that is why. Some people had raised suspicions about the songs but they were obviously overruled and released anyway.
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I wonder if Teddy Riley could've changed their direction. But he remained silent.
 
Fuzball said:
“There are a couple of songs we recorded for the Bad album that we had to cut that are just sensational.”
- Frank DiLeo to RS magazine in early 2010

I'm pretty sure Frank meant songs that were worked at Westlake. From the engineers we know that only 12 songs were fully finished.

Price Of Fame and Crack Kills were worked on until early 1987 (prob Feb/Mar??). Fly Away, Someone Put Your Hand Out, Turning Me Off, Al Capone, Don't Be Messin' Around were worked on at least until late 1986. Maybe there're other songs that were still on the table in 1987 that haven't been mentioned by engineers yet?!?
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What you do to me .tomboy .
 
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