Taj's communication...

[innuendo141]

You failed to answer the 3 most basic questions in the post you just quoted.

1. How does involving the people responsible for the most well researched MJ-allegations podcast/production become a negative thing?

It suggests that Taj hasn't done the work himself since 2019.

2. Why would it be bad if neutrals knew all the ins and out of the MJ-cases after watching Tajs docu-series? If they learn all the information all fans are aware of chances are they will re-consider their position.

That was the point of this from the absolute get-go. My post does not suggest this would be a bad thing.

3. Why and how would Taj Jackson suddenly come up with new evidence that MJs legal team could not come up with then MJ paid them millions of dollars to do so?

No one has suggested this. People are taking issue that he is "hiring" (that's if he is paying them) people who were able to do this research off their own back. Again, this suggests that they have do date done more work than Taj, who currently sits on over a quarter of a million dollars for a project for same.

4. How does using the Michael Jackson Innocent project and Charles Thomson prevent Taj from bringing in his own witnesses and sources of his own outside them?

I don't understand this. Taj is supposedly in control of this project, he should be able to bring in who he wants. I do not think MJ Innocent or Charles Thompson are exactly "smoking guns", quite the opposite.

 

[SoCav]

Its certainly a kick in the face for the people claiming Taj has scammed them of their money as they claim he is doing no project at all, just stealing fans money.

Its also a kick in the face to the people who created multiple Taj bashing threads because the website was a couple of weeks delayed.

As for the things that fans are working on the project, the Michael Jackson Innocent Projects most common compliment is that they have dug up and brought out information that not even 90% of hardcore fans were aware or had puzzled together correctly, if thats being relayed to neutrals then thats an epic win!

Also the Michael Jackson innocent project being involved does not mean Taj can not have any sources and interviews with sources of his own, thats pretty given.

How do you expect Taj to come up with brand new evidence/information that MJs defense team in 1993 and 2005 were not already aware of? Do you expect Taj to do a better job than legal teams being paid millions of dollars and that has worked professionally all their lives with this kind of work?

Further, as Charles Thomson is involved, we know the the most educated sections of the fan base are working on the project, I dont know why thats a bad thing as long as they are competent people? There are no neutrals or people that believe MJ is guilty who would spend years working in a project like this, that has not happened in 30 years so the only chance any of this is happening is because of Taj and other people passionate about defending Michael!

So the people who is claiming Taj is a fraud and have spent the donations on other things they now have to claim that Charles Thomson and the Michael Jackson Project is not somehow covering up for Tajs alleged fraud - with Charles Thomson and Taj also brazenly lying about interviewing Tom Mesereau for an entire day for the project! As Charles just spent a couple of days with T-Mez in London I would highly doubt he would make up stuff like that!

With Thomson and Taj also blatantly lying about going of spending days going through MJs private film archives and all of his notes and stuff that were left at his death on the MJCast, for this project not to be happening Taj Jackson and Charles Thomson would have to be serial liars that would actively manipulate, cheat and scam their Michael Jackson fan family that Charles has been part for decades.

At last, how do you know only fans are working on the project, do you have a list of all the people that is involved with the project?

The most important part to me is that the people providing the facts and the script is pro-MJ and know their stuff and can set set up the story. Then hiring professionals to help with material things and production wise makes sense!

I don't think most people who are critical, here or elsewhere, think Taj set out to scam fans with this project. Rather that he seems to simply have bitten of more than he can chew, and does not have the experience and/or work ethic to get this project done. Fans wanted this project to succeed, hence why so many people donated.

Taj is the one who said the project would be finished this year (after saying it would be done last year previously). He's the one creating expectations and then not delivering time and again. Again, if he's still at the stage of hiring fans, then that suggests he's nowhere near done. If this doco is supposed to be out by the end of the year, he should be doing some final finetuning now. Instead, there's still zero evidence of him having conducted any interviews except a day of shooting in 2019. Btw, everyone who has cooperated with this project signed an NDA, so even if they'd think it's going nowhere, they wouldn't be able to say so.

As others have said, just imagine this being anyone but Taj or another family member. Would you really be defending Jin Chohan if he, after 5 years, still had not given a single update of substance and was instead writing posts about wanting credit for a press statement and poem?

 

[innuendo141]

I don't think most people who are critical, here or elsewhere, think Taj set out to scam fans with this project. Rather that he seems to simply have bitten of more than he can chew, and does not have the experience and/or work ethic to get this project done. Fans wanted this project to succeed, hence why so many people donated.

Taj is the one who said the project would be finished this year (after saying it would be done last year previously). He's the one creating expectations and then not delivering time and again. Again, if he's still at the stage of hiring fans, then that suggests he's nowhere near done. If this doco is supposed to be out by the end of the year, he should be doing some final finetuning now. Instead, there's still zero evidence of him having conducted any interviews except a day of shooting in 2019. Btw, everyone who has cooperated with this project signed an NDA, so even if they'd think it's going nowhere, they wouldn't be able to say so.

As others have said, just imagine this being anyone but Taj or another family member. Would you really be defending Jin Chohan if he, after 5 years, still had not given a single update of substance and was instead writing posts about wanting credit for a press statement and poem?

Hear hear. This is exactly it.

 

[Lightbringer]

It suggests that Taj hasn't done the work himself since 2019.

That was the point of this from the absolute get-go. My post does not suggest this would be a bad thing.

No one has suggested this. People are taking issue that he is "hiring" (that's if he is paying them) people who were able to do this research off their own back. Again, this suggests that they have do date done more work than Taj, who currently sits on over a quarter of a million dollars for a project for same.

I don't understand this. Taj is supposedly in control of this project, he should be able to bring in who he wants. I do not think MJ Innocent or Charles Thompson are exactly "smoking guns", quite the opposite.

Again, how do you think Taj is going to come up with smoking guns that Michael Jacksons legal teams in 1993, 2005, 2012 to 2024 has not already discovered while actively working on the cases for 15-20 years? MJ and the MJ Estate combined must have paid these lawyers 10-20$ millions to investigate, why would Taj himself the private person be able to uncover smoking guns outside of that? How is it logical to expect that? Why would there even exist smoking guns 30-40 years after the events has happened and 3 separate legal teams have searched the world for evidence?

Tajs donations received on his gofundme would cover the cost of a pilot episode, not 10 episode docu-series, as has been explained on the MJ-cast with people that do have experience being involved in productions, if you had bothered to listen to it!

Your completely unrealistic expectations is the problem here - until we see the final product and it sucks, then you can talk!

 

[innuendo141]

Again, how do you think Taj is going to come up with smoking guns that Michael Jacksons legal teams in 1993, 2005, 2012 to 2024 has not already discovered? MJ or the MJ Estate must have paid these lawyers 10-20$ millions to investigate, why would Taj himself the private person be able to uncover smoking guns outside of that? How is it logical to expect that?

You are not getting the point I've already made twice this morning about the hiring of people who have done work that Taj SHOULD HAVE DONE HIMSELF since 2019, so I'm off to enjoy my Sunday. Hare Krishna

 

[Lightbringer]

You are not getting the point I've already made twice this morning about the hiring of people who have done work that Taj SHOULD HAVE DONE HIMSELF since 2019, so I'm off to enjoy my Sunday. Hare Krishna

You have again failed to answer the most basic question:

How do you think Taj is going to come up with smoking guns that Michael Jacksons legal teams in 1993, 2005, 2012 to 2024 has not already discovered while actively working on the cases for 15-20 years? MJ and the MJ Estate combined must have paid these lawyers 10-20$ millions to investigate, why would Taj himself the private person be able to uncover smoking guns outside of that? How is it logical to expect that? When has Taj promised any smoking guns?

Why would there even exist smoking guns 30-40 years after events that has happened and 3 separate legal teams have searched the world for evidence and still do this day are working full time and vindicating MJ in court?

You are again claiming again that Taj Jackson the private person with 200 000$ USD should be able to uncover smoking guns that 15-20 years of investigations done by defensive layers that Michael Jackson paid millions of dollars to keep him out of jail and protect his reputation failed to uncover? While also hiring a completely new documentary crew from scratch and producing a 10 part docu series?

Why would Taj re-do 15-20 years of investigative work that professionals have done? His job is to gather all the available evidence that has never been published by the mainstream media and present in a convincing manner to the people watching the series - while adding interviews from people who knew MJ!

Enjoy your sunday and hopefully you realize thats absolutely bat shit crazy! I dont think I have encountered a more absurd and incorrect take in the 21 years I have been on this forum!

 

[Hot_Street]

Taj could briefly and succinctly present the most important facts about the allegations in a podcast. Without charging huge amounts of money and straining the patience of the fans.

 

[Lightbringer]

Taj could briefly and succinctly present the most important facts about the allegations in a podcast. Without charging huge amounts of money and straining the patience of the fans.

The Michael Jackson Innocent podcast has already done the podcast thing. Fans have done podcasts and youtube videos for 10-15 years.

Taj Jackson is doing something completely different. Do you actually believe a brief audio podcast could replace a 10 part docu series production?

Do you think Leaving Neverland would have been able to convince the public MJ was guilty if Dan Reed instead of making Leaving Neverland hade made a 90 minute speech on a podcast?

Taj has not charged any individuals huge amount of money, those who were willing to give have donated, nobody was forced to have anything to do with the project if they did not want to!

Straining the patience of some fans will be a small price to pay if the final product does what its intended to do!

 

[Hot_Street]

The Michael Jackson Innocent podcast has already done the podcast thing. Fans have done podcasts and youtube videos for 10-15 years.

Taj Jackson is doing something completely different. Do you actually believe a brief audio podcast could replace a 10 part docu series production?

Do you think Leaving Neverland would have been able to convince the public MJ was guilty if Dan Reed instead of making Leaving Neverland hade made a 90 minute speech on a podcast?

A documentary is certainly more convincing to the public than a podcast. A place to start would be an interview with Geraldine Hughes, paralegal to Evan Chandler's attorney.

 

[Hot_Street]

Taj has not charged any individuals huge amount of money, those who were willing to give have donated, nobody was forced to have anything to do with the project if they did not want to!

Straining the patience of some fans will be a small price to pay if the final product does what its intended to do!

I never said that he asked for money from individuals. But he quoted an amount of almost a million dollars for the whole project.

 

[Mister_Jay_Tee]

It would be nice if it was more clear what Role Taj has. Is he director, writer, researcher, all of the above? What is he actually contributing in particular. I personally don't know actually.

 

[R1chard]

I'd find it funny except for the fact that people are still donating to this.

Can't we just say it funny except for the fact that gullible idiots are still donating to this?

It's important to use the correct words.

People paying into "Gofundme" simply don't understand how the film industry works. It's their own fault if they lose their money.

 

[TeaMJ]

Well I for one am a gullible idiot funding this. It is a mammoth task one which will need to act independently of the Michael Jackson estate given that those lying scum bags are taking legal criminal proceedings against the estate so the estate is rightfully keeping things nicely under wraps for when it really matter in a court of law. I believe Brandi and Taj and the likes will be able to really expose the nonsense around timelines and accusations but will need it presented properly, let’s wait and see before we cast this as a Randy Jackson esque daylight robbery from the fans!

 

[Hot_Street]

A delayed documentary is eventually good, but a rushed documentary is forever bad.

 

[Lightbringer]

It would be nice if it was more clear what Role Taj has. Is he director, writer, researcher, all of the above? What is he actually contributing in particular. I personally don't know actually.

As Taj is the person who the project started with I assume he is the director and behind everything, as MJ wanted to direct movies and Taj said they analyzed movies together and stuff. And Taj has said it feels like that what MJ planned to do with movies in a way will come through with this project and Taj says he wants to do him justice.

He might assume a little bit of every role, but has probably hired more people to work for him than what was supposed to be in the beginning when it was a documentary and not docu series.

 

[R1chard]

the personal attacks and insults towards MICHAEL’S FAMILY is not okay.

Hold on, wait... Why not?

I wouldn't dream of attacking somebody who wants to stay out of the public eye, but once they enter that sphere, all bets are off. If you know you can't deliver something, then you shouldn't launch a begging website or pretend that you can.

Being part of a family doesn't make you immune from judgment. Although having said that, like I said before, when somebody voluntarily gives money to a stranger on the internet, for no reason at all, then they also give up their right to complain when nothing materializes.

He's working on it just give him time,be patient

Is that what you tell your boss every time you miss a deadline?

Do you actually believe a brief audio podcast could replace a 10 part docu series production?

Oh, it's a 10-part documentary? Wtf?! Sounds way too ambitious for somebody who doesn't know anything about filmmaking.

A documentary is certainly more convincing to the public than a podcast. A place to start would be an interview with Geraldine Hughes, paralegal to Evan Chandler's attorney.

Actually, in this case, no. This won't achieve anything, and the reason is simply because it's Taj Jackson. People will see it and immediately assume it's just somebody defending a member of their family. There's literally no point because it's not neutral.

 

[Porterc5]

after all the critics since his announcement of his docu series he did not learn and changed his way of communicating? Is he sleeping all day long?

middle of march he said on nicole's live "the next months will be very exciting" ok, now its almost 3 month later lol .... and what about his announced website? and his new way of "transparency"?

he really makes me sick.

Lol "He's an angry elf." - Buddy The Elf

 

[MegaMix12”]

Again, how do you think Taj is going to come up with smoking guns that Michael Jacksons legal teams in 1993, 2005, 2012 to 2024 has not already discovered while actively working on the cases for 15-20 years? MJ and the MJ Estate combined must have paid these lawyers 10-20$ millions to investigate, why would Taj himself the private person be able to uncover smoking guns outside of that? How is it logical to expect that? Why would there even exist smoking guns 30-40 years after the events has happened and 3 separate legal teams have searched the world for evidence?

Tajs donations received on his gofundme would cover the cost of a pilot episode, not 10 episode docu-series, as has been explained on the MJ-cast with people that do have experience being involved in productions, if you had bothered to listen to it!

Your completely unrealistic expectations is the problem here - until we see the final product and it sucks, then you can talk!

This thing is 10 episodes? Is that not a little over ambitious for someone of little to no experience? When do you think this 10 episode series will be released?

 

[MegaMix12”]

You have again failed to answer the most basic question:

How do you think Taj is going to come up with smoking guns that Michael Jacksons legal teams in 1993, 2005, 2012 to 2024 has not already discovered while actively working on the cases for 15-20 years? MJ and the MJ Estate combined must have paid these lawyers 10-20$ millions to investigate, why would Taj himself the private person be able to uncover smoking guns outside of that? How is it logical to expect that? When has Taj promised any smoking guns?

Why would there even exist smoking guns 30-40 years after events that has happened and 3 separate legal teams have searched the world for evidence and still do this day are working full time and vindicating MJ in court?

You are again claiming again that Taj Jackson the private person with 200 000$ USD should be able to uncover smoking guns that 15-20 years of investigations done by defensive layers that Michael Jackson paid millions of dollars to keep him out of jail and protect his reputation failed to uncover? While also hiring a completely new documentary crew from scratch and producing a 10 part docu series?

Why would Taj re-do 15-20 years of investigative work that professionals have done? His job is to gather all the available evidence that has never been published by the mainstream media and present in a convincing manner to the people watching the series - while adding interviews from people who knew MJ!

Enjoy your sunday and hopefully you realize thats absolutely bat shit crazy! I dont think I have encountered a more absurd and incorrect take in the 21 years I have been on this forum!

So Taj isn’t actually bringing anything new to the table? So why then is it taking so long? We’re 5 years in now.

 

[AlwaysThere]

Setting aside Taj burying the lede here, there’s one other bitter truth that I’ve brought up previously and will no doubt re-emerge in the near future:

This documentary will only appeal to those of us who already believe in MJ’s innocence, as the involvement of a Jackson family member will turn away damn near anyone else. Taj consistently making himself the face of the operation is dooming this thing outright, and the estate is doing the smart thing by staying as far away from it as they can.

 

[etoile 37]

This documentary will only appeal to those of us who already believe in MJ’s innocence, as the involvement of a Jackson family member will turn away damn near anyone else.

Yeah, if Taj wants this documentary to be successful, he needs to portray himself as just one of the persons being interviewed, not start off the documentary telling the audience he's the one who made the documentary. And making a series of episodes is really bad too, only people who are already fans will sit through several episodes. He should make it just one episode, but a really good one that hits hard. The title he chose is too obviously positive too, it will turn away people who are on the fence instead of making them curious.

 

[Mister_Jay_Tee]

So Taj isn’t actually bringing anything new to the table? So why then is it taking so long? We’re 5 years in now.

I never assumed it was about something new, so much as a "major" player taking a stance for his innocence the majority of the public will see.

 

[Smooth72]

I hope one day Taj comes through. His intentions are pure but it’s a difficult task for a family member. Cheers kid!

 

[Mister_Jay_Tee]

Setting aside Taj burying the lede here, there’s one other bitter truth that I’ve brought up previously and will no doubt re-emerge in the near future:

This documentary will only appeal to those of us who already believe in MJ’s innocence, as the involvement of a Jackson family member will turn away damn near anyone else. Taj consistently making himself the face of the operation is dooming this thing outright, and the estate is doing the smart thing by staying as far away from it as they can.

No documentary will ever persuade some guilters. Some people will insist just because he was rich, or just because he's black and the kids are not. There's no answer to these loopholes.

 

[MegaMix12”]

I never assumed it was about something new, so much as a "major" player taking a stance for his innocence the majority of the public will see.

Sure, perhaps nothing new as in revelatory, but Taj did talk this up like it would be an absolute game changer, and it’s frustrating how vague and distant its all become. It feels like something thats years away from being released, if it ever actually does see the light of day.

I‘ve supported him for the best part of 5 years but with each update I have less faith in it actually happening. He’s a lovely guy and I hope I’m proved wrong but I lean more towards AlwaysThere‘s point of view now. It’s just an honest realistic opinion. I went from having expectations to not having any. I’m not even bothered by the fact that I donated. I was more than happy to and I honestly hope it goes towards his project happening, although it wasn’t a 10 part series when I donated.

I’ve now put a certain amount of faith in the biopic doing some good, and there’s also other people making documentaries that I believe are more proactive in their approach.

 

[Mister_Jay_Tee]

Sure, perhaps nothing new as in revelatory, but Taj did talk this up like it would be an absolute game changer

I take that entirely to mean because of the scale of it. It really is that simple, just making something big matters. No podcast, fan doc, blog, or anything, is enough to change the tides.

A huge Netflix style drama doc that's all the rage is what would be "an absolute game changer".

But so is a huge dramatic telling of MJs life that anyone can go see. The biopic is where it all counts to me, period. I think Taj will deliver, if the hardcore fans disavow him, you know, I guess he's earned that. But the appeal for casuals is there.

But really, I'd take all of these white boys making accusations coming out and rescinding them all over any piece of passive media entertainment. In a heartbeat.

 

[summer]

Hold on, wait... Why not?

I wouldn't dream of attacking somebody who wants to stay out of the public eye, but once they enter that sphere, all bets are off. If you know you can't deliver something, then you shouldn't launch a begging website or pretend that you can.

Being part of a family doesn't make you immune from judgment. Although having said that, like I said before, when somebody voluntarily gives money to a stranger on the internet, for no reason at all, then they also give up their right to complain when nothing materializes.


Is that what you tell your boss every time you miss a deadline?


Oh, it's a 10-part documentary? Wtf?! Sounds way too ambitious for somebody who doesn't know anything about filmmaking.


Actually, in this case, no. This won't achieve anything, and the reason is simply because it's Taj Jackson. People will see it and immediately assume it's just somebody defending a member of their family. There's literally no point because it's not neutral.

And this is why I’m out of here. This board really has gone down the drain. Nothing but negativity and insults and no moderation. Would have never happened on here while MJ was alive. Bye. Have fun. I’m staying offline from now on.

 

[innuendo141]

And this is why I’m out of here. This board really has gone down the drain. Nothing but negativity and insults and no moderation. Would have never happened on here while MJ was alive. Bye. Have fun. I’m staying offline from now on.

You are definitely better off if R1chards comment set you off. All his points and criticisms were valid.

 

[zinniabooklover]

Yeah, if Taj wants this documentary to be successful, he needs to portray himself as just one of the persons being interviewed, not start off the documentary telling the audience he's the one who made the documentary.

I have the faintest memory of Taj, in one of many interviews I watched / listened to, describing himself as a film-maker. Haven't got the time or energy to try to track that down but his Wiki page states that he studied television production at LMU and his own page states that he was at college studying filmmaking but left to do 3T. So I'm assuming that's why he's put himself in the role of director / producer, in charge of the whole project. Obviously I don't really know, that's just my guess.

This whole Taj thing is now spread across 3 threads! Crazy! The same points keep being made over and over bc there has been no discernible progress so far. The idea of doing 11 episodes as opposed to a one-off doc goes way back to 2022. Taj did a livestream which can be summed up thus (original post by @Paris78)

1. The Docu-Series will be 11 episodes long
2. All 11 episodes will be completed, filmed, edited and presented to distributors by 2023 (maybe earlier)
3. A press release will be released this year on Michael Jackson’s Birthday – 29 August 2022.
4. Taj is hoping to have unreleased footage of Michael Jackson

That's from a convo in August 2022. I watched the livestream but, ngl, I can't remember what Taj said about changing the project to 11 episodes. He did have a reason ... something about wanting to show Michael as he really was.

I don't think it's unreasonable that people are feeling impatient or somewhat disillusioned. I think (hope) that many people - myself included - wish Taj all the best and hope that somehow he can realise this project and that it will be successful. He seems like a decent guy, I love his loyalty to Michael and his persistence on this. But Taj has not handled this well and people feel frustrated. I understand the need for him to keep a low-ish profile on this. There are probably more eyes on Taj than there are on Jin Chohan. But, still, it's hard not to see the difference in approach between the two.

I hope one day Taj comes through. His intentions are pure but it’s a difficult task for a family member. [...]

This.

Setting aside Taj burying the lede here, there’s one other bitter truth that I’ve brought up previously and will no doubt re-emerge in the near future:

This documentary will only appeal to those of us who already believe in MJ’s innocence, as the involvement of a Jackson family member will turn away damn near anyone else. Taj consistently making himself the face of the operation is dooming this thing outright, and the estate is doing the smart thing by staying as far away from it as they can.

But also this.

 

[Mister_Jay_Tee]

You are definitely better off if R1chards comment set you off. All his points and criticisms were valid.

I hate saying or hearing that. In this single case it's true though.