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The Discussion of MJ's Unreleased Tracks

AdeZ said:
Correct

However, my point still stands, I don't need or want to draw this unwanted attention, though by saying this I'm also inadvertently drawing attention to myself. I can't speak for others.
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Well, you have your point and I respect it. But I really don't understand why they need to hide that kind of information
 
LucianoWalker said:
Well, you have your point and I respect it. But I really don't understand why they need to hide that kind of information
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I say this as someone who is not a "collector", but I can imagine the reasoning is

a) Wanting to retain the value they paid for audio/info that accompanies said audio

b) The age old "Look what I've got/know and you don't"

c) As far as collaborators, keeping a lid on certain tracks may just be out of respect of MJ as an artist, or wanting to save a few personal stories for themselves. Which is understandable imo.
 
FlyAway0086 said:
I say this as someone who is not a "collector", but I can imagine the reasoning is

a) Wanting to retain the value they paid for audio/info that accompanies said audio

b) The age old "Look what I've got/know and you don't"

c) As far as collaborators, keeping a lid on certain tracks may just be out of respect of MJ as an artist, or wanting to save a few personal stories for themselves. Which is understandable imo.
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It doesn't really make sense to keep an artist's private information as long as it's not something so personal. We just want the title of something we don't know and that's it
 
LucianoWalker said:
It doesn't really make sense to keep an artist's private information as long as it's not something so personal. We just want the title of something we don't know and that's it
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I mean, I agree with you 100%. The gatekeeping is silly. But everyone is different and as @SeriousFX mentioned, egos - among other things - are bound to get in the way.
 
Derek1984 said:
Yes, you are right. They were just experimenting with sounds when recording the original demo.

I'm not suggesting Loving You would've been a hit if it made the BAD album, but out of all the demos the Estate has given us, this is my favorite. It does sound like something Stevie Wonder would do.
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It's funny you should say that, it's always reminded me of a Stevie cut. It would have fit perfectly on Hotter Than July, between All I Do and Rocket Love.

One of my favourite songs that's been released since 2009.
 
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Billyjeanplxiv said:
The only thing Im interesting in hearing at this point is the 2008 version of Hollywood.
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IMO, there's way more I am interested in.

All of the 1983-1986 demos for BAD. With Buffalo Bill and Make or Break being at the top of that list.

That Girl from The Jacksons. Why Can't I Be.

And the Will.i.Am tracks. I feel like whatever they worked on, was probably going to be released at some point.
 
I'm not sure if it's the new instruments that are really drowning everything out, but when I try to make out the OG sounds the impression I'm getting is the same as I had when I first heard the HQ file of C1945 and compared it to the seminar leak; the song isn't that hard hitting.

The seminar recording made it sound like TYLA was one of the hardest MJ songs there was but so far it sounds very weak when compared to his other grittier songs. I'm starting to see why it never made it to any album.

And also I have the feeling that the full song is very close to leaking lol. Sometimes when snippets leak back to back like that the song ends up getting leaked not too long after. Just remember how it was like when Chicago 1945/GYWOOM/Family Thing first leaked.
 
threepea11 said:

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This song is a track that could use work from someone like timbaland. He knows how to re-work tracks to have hard hitting sounds (think slave to the rhythm) and this song would have been right for it. But thats just me. It's hard to make judgements tho as this sounds like someone re-recorded an instrumental over an amateur recording of the song.
 
Regarding TYLA and the majority, if not all unreleased songs, there's a reason why they are unreleased. They were never good enough to make an album. I really can't think of anything right now which I thought to myself, "how did this not make the final album?".

They are fun to listen to and at this point, all we have that is "new". And there have been a few gems and I'm sure there are more gems in the vault, but always never quite strong enough to hold up against what made it on the albums.
 
Derek1984 said:
Regarding TYLA and the majority, if not all unreleased songs, there's a reason why they are unreleased. They were never good enough to make an album.
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A lot of the times it's actually just the fact that trends change. Buffalo Bill was Post Thriller, it's opportunity was Victory. I can't imagine it fitting in 3 years later on Bad. Although, Liberian Girl and Another Part of Me made it, and they were technically older.

TYLA originated in 1988, a year after Bad. MJs next album was 1991, with Dangerous. It sounds nothing like anything he cooked up with Teddy. So it just made logical sense to not be there.

Yet he was intending to come back to it for his follow up to Invincible. Because at that point, what's old is new again.
 
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