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Him trying to claim credit for composing Stranger In Moscow (And some fans blindly believing him) has left a bit of a bad taste in my mouth. Doesn't help that he kept changing his story and kept giving himself more and more credit as time went on.
 
analogue said:
Him trying to claim credit for composing Stranger In Moscow (And some fans blindly believing him) has left a bit of a bad taste in my mouth. Doesn't help that he kept changing his story and kept giving himself more and more credit as time went on.
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Do you have a link somewhere to what he originally said ?
 
analogue said:
Him trying to claim credit for composing Stranger In Moscow (And some fans blindly believing him) has left a bit of a bad taste in my mouth. Doesn't help that he kept changing his story and kept giving himself more and more credit as time went on.
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I don’t think this is the case at all. He’s always maintained that he came up with the chord progression and did some of the production work. Plus, it’s the only song he’s ever made any sort of claim toward. Plus plus, it’s not like MJ isn’t known for taking undue credit in songs.
 
mack77 said:
Do you have a link somewhere to what he originally said ?
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This is a great thread with posts by @kelley that goes into detail about how Brad kept changing his story over the creation of Stranger In Moscow.

Reflection on Stranger in Moscow

A repost from earlier. Please remain on topic; Stranger in Moscow is the topic. Part One: For this project, I am choosing the song Stranger in Moscow by Michael Jackson. The link is posted below. Part Two: There are several elements to this song that make it very compelling. It is...
www.mjjcommunity.com www.mjjcommunity.com
 
analogue said:
This is a great thread with posts by @kelley that goes into detail about how Brad kept changing his story over the creation of Stranger In Moscow.

Reflection on Stranger in Moscow

A repost from earlier. Please remain on topic; Stranger in Moscow is the topic. Part One: For this project, I am choosing the song Stranger in Moscow by Michael Jackson. The link is posted below. Part Two: There are several elements to this song that make it very compelling. It is...
www.mjjcommunity.com www.mjjcommunity.com
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thanks, your right there is a discrepancy...
 
AlwaysThere said:
I don’t think this is the case at all. He’s always maintained that he came up with the chord progression and did some of the production work.
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No his story has continually changed. If you haven't watched all his interviews about the subject how can you make this claim?

AlwaysThere said:
Plus, it’s the only song he’s ever made any sort of claim toward.
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It's also a song that over time became one of Michael's most acclaimed songs, but oddly enough Brad never tried to claim it until AFTER it gained notoriety. If Morphine ever reaches the status of SIM, don't be suprise if brad suddenly starts claiming he came up with the chords.

AlwaysThere said:
Plus plus, it’s not like MJ isn’t known for taking undue credit in songs.
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I'm sorry when did he take undue credit?

If you're referring to Invincible you should know that it was actually a common thing in the industry around that time and after for Songwriters to give the big name artists they write for credit on the song so the song will get more attention and because it increases the value of the song. A song that says written by Michael Jackson is going to be worth more than a song written by just some no name writer.

Case in point Eddie Cascio and James Porte added Michael's name as a songwriter to their fake tracks AFTER his death even though he had nothing to do with them.

So Michael probably didn't even ask for credit on those songs, the writers probably wanted him to have credit because it would benefit them to have him credited on it.
 
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great interview, thank you!

i wish you had asked about:

-katrina song
-light the way

were both recorded? are they the same song? chances of release?
 
Glanni said:
great interview, thank you!

i wish you had asked about:

-katrina song
-light the way

were both recorded? are they the same song? chances of release?
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Brad might have been getting the songs mixed up, but "I Have This Dream" is another song that was meant to be an all-star charity single to benefit the Hurricane Katrina victims. There is a demo vocal recorded for that track but as for "Light The Way" it was a song that MJ never recorded. The 45-vocalist choir Brad Buxer mentioned are the only vocals on the song.
https://twitter.com/x/status/1581740834164465664

Unfortunately the odds of those songs ever seeing the light of day are zero as the person who retains the rights doesn't want them released out of respect for Michael's legacy.
 
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kelley said:
I'm sorry when did he take undue credit?

If you're referring to Invincible you should know that it was actually a common thing in the industry around that time and after for Songwriters to give the big name artists they write for credit on the song so the song will get more attention and because it increases the value of the song. A song that says written by Michael Jackson is going to be worth more than a song written by just some no name writer.

Case in point Eddie Cascio and James Porte added Michael's name as a songwriter to their fake tracks AFTER his death even though he had nothing to do with them.

So Michael probably didn't even ask for credit on those songs, the writers probably wanted him to have credit because it would benefit them to have him credited on it.
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  • Greg Phillinganes received no credit for writing/composing the bridge to “Don’t Stop ‘til You Get Enough.” (Early pressings of the single listed him, but MJ demanded his removal.)
  • According to Larry Williams, Jerry Hey helped compose “Speed Demon,” but MJ refused to credit him.
  • Every Teddy Riley song on Dangerous listed MJ as producer, which Riley himself insinuated wasn’t exactly earned.
  • MJ tried to take co-writers’ credit on “You Are Not Alone” but relented when R. Kelly contacted him directly and complained.
  • Bryan Loren wasn’t credited for producing “Superfly Sister.”
  • Dr. Freeze threatened to sue MJ for taking unjustified writing and production royalties on “Break of Dawn” and only relented when the song was put on Number Ones to prospectively double his revenue stream.
  • MJ took writing credit for “Heaven Can Wait” and “Whatever Happens,” despite writers’ demos for both showing that he made no contribution. (One could argue that he composed the prelude to “Whatever Happens,” though his previous albums have credited the prelude composer separately.)
  • Richard Carlton Stites produced the majority of “Don’t Walk Away,” yet only received co-production credit and lost out on royalties because MJ and Riley took writing credit.
“Common” and “appropriate” are two vastly different things. Plus, arguing that MJ’s involvement increased a song’s value might make sense if the songs were being shopped around for other artists to record. If it’s set for release on an MJ album, the value is already there (as evidenced by the several songs MJ didn’t write and took no credit for in his lifetime).
 
AlwaysThere said:
I don’t think this is the case at all. He’s always maintained that he came up with the chord progression and did some of the production work. Plus, it’s the only song he’s ever made any sort of claim toward. Plus plus, it’s not like MJ isn’t known for taking undue credit in songs.
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a lot of fans aren't ready for this conversation
 
Why are people thumbing up your post when you're wrong about a lot of it?

AlwaysThere said:
  • Greg Phillinganes received no credit for writing/composing the bridge to “Don’t Stop ‘til You Get Enough.” (Early pressings of the single listed him, but MJ demanded his removal.)
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Not true he received an arrangement credit which is all he should have received. That bridge is built off of the song Michael composed. It is not his original composition.

AlwaysThere said:
  • According to Larry Williams, Jerry Hey helped compose “Speed Demon,” but MJ refused to credit him.
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Well if Larry said it it must be true. So this isn't even a claim from Jerry Himself. Pure hearsay, so no reason to even respond to it. It would not hold up in court.

AlwaysThere said:
  • Every Teddy Riley song on Dangerous listed MJ as producer, which Riley himself insinuated wasn’t exactly earned.
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He said no such thing and besides Michael and Teddy mutually gave each other credit on things like this. Teddy also got credit for things Michael did that he had no part in.

AlwaysThere said:
  • MJ tried to take co-writers’ credit on “You Are Not Alone” but relented when R. Kelly contacted him directly and complained.
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Says who? Where is the source? I can't respond to something that isn't even sourced. Regardless he is not credited, so it's a moot point anyway.

AlwaysThere said:
  • Bryan Loren wasn’t credited for producing “Superfly Sister.”
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He was given a writing credit. So this is foolish. Just because he says he should have gotten producing credit that doesn't mean he's right. Why is Michael always wrong and the other person right with you guys?

AlwaysThere said:
  • Dr. Freeze threatened to sue MJ for taking unjustified writing and production royalties on “Break of Dawn” and only relented when the song was put on Number Ones to prospectively double his revenue stream.
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I doubt this happened the way you presented it. And besides he benefited financially in the end so it's a moot point. He was more concerned with making as much money for himself than the credit being accurate.

AlwaysThere said:
  • MJ took writing credit for “Heaven Can Wait” and “Whatever Happens,” despite writers’ demos for both showing that he made no contribution. (One could argue that he composed the prelude to “Whatever Happens,” though his previous albums have credited the prelude composer separately.)
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I already responded to this. You assume these songs writers were robbed or something, when as I already said by the early 2000s this was common in the music industry. Lesser known songwriters WANTED to give big name artist writing credit.

AlwaysThere said:
  • Richard Carlton Stites produced the majority of “Don’t Walk Away,” yet only received co-production credit and lost out on royalties because MJ and Riley took writing credit.
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See the above. Also there is no source for this and it sounds like you are offended on stites behalf and he himself did not complain about this.
AlwaysThere said:
“Common” and “appropriate” are two vastly different things. Plus, arguing that MJ’s involvement increased a song’s value might make sense if the songs were being shopped around for other artists to record. If it’s set for release on an MJ album, the value is already there (as evidenced by the several songs MJ didn’t write and took no credit for in his lifetime).
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Says who? You? You don't get a say in how the music business works. Things had changed dramatically by the time of the Invincible album.

The definition of "producer" had changed. The requirements for being considered a song writer or composer had changed too.

That is why Beyonce's daughter is now a Grammy winner for helping to "write" one of her songs. Anyone who so much as adds a word to a song can claim to be the writer now a days. It was not that way in the 70s and 80s or even most of the 90s

And like I've been saying modern song writers would rather share song writing credits with Beyonce (even if she didnt write anything) than only have themselves listed as the writer on the song.

That's just the way things have been since the 2000s

You can't judge the invincible album by the standards of the off the wall and thriller era. It's was different time.

Also I find it interesting that you all are quick to call Michael following common industry practices from the 2000s on as "stealing"

But you ignore an actual case of Stealing, such as Quincy Jones taking producer credit for the BAD album when he did almost nothing on it. That was NOT standard practice at that time and yet he did it.

And yet Quincy gets to keep his place on his pedestal and is not accused of stealing. No ones gives a damn or ever calls him out for that. Why is this?

Edited to add: I'd also like to point out that if Dr freeze did threaten to sue Michael thats just more proof that Brad Buxers current narrative regarding SIM is a lie. It proves that Buxer very well could have challenged Michael when he was alive if it were true. But he did not because it's not true.
 
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kelley said:
Why are people thumbing up your post when you're wrong about a lot of it?


Not true he received an arrangement credit which is all he should have received. That bridge is built off of the song Michael composed. It is not his original composition.


Well if Larry said it it must be true. So this isn't even a claim from Jerry Himself. Pure hearsay, so no reason to even respond to it. It would not hold up in court.



He said no such thing and besides Michael and Teddy mutually gave each other credit on things like this. Teddy also got credit for things Michael did that he had no part in.


Says who? Where is the source? I can't respond to something that isn't even sourced. Regardless he is not credited, so it's a moot point anyway.


He was given a writing credit. So this is foolish. Just because he says he should have gotten producing credit that doesn't mean he's right. Why is Michael always wrong and the other person right with you guys?


I doubt this happened the way you presented it. And besides he benefited financially in the end so it's a moot point. He was more concerned with making as much money for himself than the credit being accurate.


I already responded to this. You assume these songs writers were robbed or something, when as I already said by the early 2000s this was common in the music industry. Lesser known songwriters WANTED to give big name artist writing credit.


See the above. Also there is no source for this and it sounds like you are offended on stites behalf and he himself did not complain about this.


Says who? You? You don't get a say in how the music business works. Things had changed dramatically by the time of the Invincible about.

The definition of "producer" had changed. The requirements for being considered a song writer or composer had changed too.

That is why Beyonce's daughter is a now a grammy winner for helping to "write" one of her songs. Anyone who so much has ads a word to a song can claim to be a writer now a days.

And like I've been saying Song writers would rather share song writing credits with Beyonce (even if she didnt nothing to write it) than only have themselves listed as the writer on the song.

That's just the way things have been since the 2000s

You can't judge the invincible album by the standards of the off the wall and thriller era. It's was different time.

Also I find it interesting that you all are quick to call Michael following common industry practices from the 2000s on as "stealing"

But you ignore an actual case of Stealing, such as Quincy Jones taking producer credit for the BAD album when he did almost nothing on it. That was NOT standard practice at that time and yet he did it.

And yet Quincy gets to keep his place on his pedestal and is not accused of stealing. No ones gives a damn or ever calls him out for that. Why is this?
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With respect, this is just an insane response. Not a word of it is rooted in objectivity—it’s all scrounging to prevent MJ from shouldering any blame, and I don’t have it in me to counter to each of these responses. (Also, for what it’s worth, most of my points came from direct quotes from the artists themselves.)

Fact of the matter is, there were times he took credit for things he should not have taken credit for. It doesn’t make him any less than other artists, nor does it diminish his talent. But it happened. No matter your opinion, it happened.
 
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With respect, this is just an insane response. Not a word of it is rooted in objectivity—it’s all scrounging to prevent MJ from shouldering any blame, and I don’t have it in me to counter to each of these responses. (Also, for what it’s worth, most of my points came from direct quotes from the artists themselves.)

Fact of the matter is, there were times he took credit for things he should not have taken credit for. It doesn’t make him any less than other artists, nor does it diminish his talent. But it happened. No matter your opinion, it happened.
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The only possibly legitamate claims stem from the invincible days. And that was just a different period of Michael's career and a different time in the industry in general. You can't just use that to backtrack and legitimize all the frivolous claims from previous eras.

Greg Philliganges claim is BS. He did get credit he deserved.

Brad Buxers claim is BS, his story does not hold up to scrutiny.

Bryan Loren is a bitter man with a chip on his shoulder, regardless he DID recieve credit for Superfly sister. If he didn't get producer credit theres probably a good reason for it.

The R kelly claim is a strawman because Michael has no credits on that song so whatever allegedly happend is irrelevant because he did not take credit for it.

The Teddy Riley claim is ridiculous because as I already said he and teddy would often give each other credit for things the other didn't actually do. Why? I don't know you have to ask Teddy.
 
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AlwaysThere said:
  • MJ tried to take co-writers’ credit on “You Are Not Alone” but relented when R. Kelly contacted him directly and complained.
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I just remembered that R Kelly was sued for plagiarizing You are not alone and he lost! You Are Not Alone is banned in Belgium.

A Belgium court has ruled that R. Kelly stole the music from Michael's 1995 hit "You Are Not Alone". Kelly must fork over millions that he made as a result of this court ruling. This was Jackson's last number one song in the USA. The court ruling doesn't affect Jackson in any way as R.Kelly was always listed as the sole writer of the song.

LOL at someone accusing Michael of trying to steal credit for a song Robert didn't even write himself. This is why you should check your sources and do your research people. You always assume Michael is the one lying when it's often it's the other party.


The melody is nearly identical right down to the drums.

R kelly bringing Michael a stolen song and then turning around and claiming Michael tried to steal credit from him for it is wild!
 
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SmoothGangsta said:
Saying Brad not trying to sue MJ proves he's lying is insane lol.
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You must be Brad or know him.

Anyway My case against brad is based off of more than the lack of lawsuit. It's built mostly off of his own words and statements as well as other witnesses. Don't attack a strawman.
 
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