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MJ’s missed opportunities

zinniabooklover said:
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My comment about small-scale shows was specifically in response to these two comments both of which I agree with:
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And you only have to listen to that tape Murray recorded while Michael was heavily sedated. That to me, tells you everything MJ was about.

Helping people, and putting on a spectacle no one could ever forget - pushing every boundary in every area to do so.

Sitting on a stool is fine for some, but it's not Michael Jackson.
 
dam2040 said:
And you only have to listen to that tape Murray recorded while Michael was heavily sedated. That to me, tells you everything MJ was about.

Helping people, and putting on a spectacle no one could ever forget - pushing every boundary in every area to do so.

Sitting on a stool is fine for some, but it's not Michael Jackson.
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The spectacle was becoming to repetitive,. And I think he knew that. I truly believe had he performed some intimate shows it would have been magical, and yes the media would have said he's lost it, but the audience wins, he put far to much pressure on himself. I think had he performed some specials and seen the reaction he could still be here possibly producing for new artists and living his best life
 
Oldtimer said:
The spectacle was becoming to repetitive,. And I think he knew that.
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If he had stayed at Bad Tour Era energy, I don't think anyone would be saying anything about "repetitiveness". That's only even a complaint 15 years posthumously anyway, with the entire Internet at our disposal. Nobody was religiously comparing 1987 and 1992 before the Wembley show dropped.
 
Listening to Hollywood Tonight, I would say it was a wasted opportunity not to let Teddy Riley produce Invincible. I'm sure he would have done well.
 
R1chard said:
They said that about Kurt Cobain, too.

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Oh look, Nirvana Unplugged is frequently referred to as the greatest rock concert of all time.
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I couldn't care less about Nirvana, and what they do is completely irrelevant to this discussion.

MJ was a showman, and an entertainer - and it's what he focused on relentlessly for his entire life. The biggest spectacle like never before.

Again, listen to the Murray clip. So as I said, sitting on a stool is fine for some (Nirvana as you pointed out), but it's not Michael Jackson.
 
dam2040 said:
I couldn't care less about Nirvana, and what they do is completely irrelevant to this discussion.
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You obviously don't know what they were saying about them in the early days. Literally having fight-fights with the security staff.

dam2040 said:
MJ was a showman, and an entertainer
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Huh?! And nobody else is? MJ was the only person trying to put on a dramatic show? What an odd take.

dam2040 said:
sitting on a stool is fine for some (Nirvana as you pointed out), but it's not Michael Jackson.
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Again, rock bands are well-known for putting on energetic, dramatic, even hectic shows. Much more than pop artists.

What next, sitting on a stool is fine for Hendrix, The Who, Alice Cooper, Slipknot and Guns n Roses? Even Eddie Vedder leaves people more open-mouthed than somebody scripted like MJ, on account of the unpredictability.

Like, another one of those "greatest live shows in the history of music" was Queen at Live Aid. Do you know what happened about 2 hours later? Freddie Mercury and Brian May came out and played a song sitting on a stool.
 
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R1chard said:
You obviously don't know what they were saying about them in the early days. Literally having fight-fights with the security staff.


Huh?! And nobody else is? MJ was the only person trying to put on a dramatic show? What an odd take.


Again, rock bands are well-known for putting on energetic, dramatic, even hectic shows. Much more than pop artists.

What next, sitting on a stool is fine for Hendrix, The Who, Alice Cooper, Slipknot and Guns n Roses? Even Eddie Vedder leaves people more open-mouthed than somebody scripted like MJ, on account of the unpredictability.

Like, another one of those "greatest live shows in the history of music" was Queen at Live Aid. Do you know what happened about 2 hours later? Freddie Mercury and Brian May came out and played a song sitting on a stool.
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You are deliberately obtuse in every thread you post in and its incredibly boring. I’m not going back and forth on this.

MJs style as an entertainer was grand spectacles. Not sitting in one place. I don’t care about any “examples” you think you have. I don’t care who else also puts on a show but sometimes sits down. It’s not MJ.
 
I agree – one of the biggest missed opportunities would be a concert where Michael simply sat and sang. Sure, dance is a big part of who he is, but I miss the idea of a show focused primarily on his vocals, without the strain of running and jumping around the stage. The setlist should have been made up of songs that don't need choreography – Liberian Girl, The Lady in My Life, Heaven Can Wait, or even A Place with No Name. That would have been something unique and wouldn’t take away from Michael Jackson being Michael Jackson. And the concert itself could be monetized by releasing it as a live album.
 
I mean MJ did sitting and standing while singing for the first 20 something years of his life. Notice that it didn't make as much of an impact as Motown 25. Like the results speak for themselves.
 
mmikea said:
I agree – one of the biggest missed opportunities would be a concert where Michael simply sat and sang. Sure, dance is a big part of who he is, but I miss the idea of a show focused primarily on his vocals, without the strain of running and jumping around the stage. The setlist should have been made up of songs that don't need choreography – Liberian Girl, The Lady in My Life, Heaven Can Wait, or even A Place with No Name. That would have been something unique and wouldn’t take away from Michael Jackson being Michael Jackson. And the concert itself could be monetized by releasing it as a live album.
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Missed opportunity especially in his later years
Mister_Jay_Tee said:
I mean MJ did sitting and standing while singing for the first 20 something years of his life. Notice that it didn't make as much of an impact as Motown 25. Like the results speak for themselves.
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We saw MJ sitting and singing in his early years but in the later years, songs solely written by him deserved the same love. Imagine him doing a Tiny Desk with some of the songs mentioned above
 
mmikea said:
I agree – one of the biggest missed opportunities would be a concert where Michael simply sat and sang. Sure, dance is a big part of who he is, but I miss the idea of a show focused primarily on his vocals, without the strain of running and jumping around the stage. The setlist should have been made up of songs that don't need choreography – Liberian Girl, The Lady in My Life, Heaven Can Wait, or even A Place with No Name. That would have been something unique and wouldn’t take away from Michael Jackson being Michael Jackson. And the concert itself could be monetized by releasing it as a live album.
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I agree, I really think had this is it gone a head he would have struggled so much. I would have hated to see that, and the media would have torn him apart. Seeing a 50 year old man who in all honesty looked unwell would have been heart breaking
 
BlackAnon said:
Missed opportunity especially in his later years

We saw MJ sitting and singing in his early years but in the later years, songs solely written by him deserved the same love. Imagine him doing a Tiny Desk with some of the songs mentioned above
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Well a Tiny Desk is just something different all together. An amazing experience all together.
 

MJ’s missed opportunities​

Collaborating with William Orbit and Stuart Price, who gave Madonna a successful new sound in the late '90s and '00s
 
Mister_Jay_Tee said:
I mean MJ did sitting and standing while singing for the first 20 something years of his life. Notice that it didn't make as much of an impact as Motown 25. Like the results speak for themselves.
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It would be cool if it was a mixture imo: yes sitting on a stool singing ballads unplugged but he could definitely also do some moves performing Billie Jean unplugged or something: he himself said he also the loved stripped performances with just one spotlight (like the BJ one). The Way You Make Me Feel jazzy intro version with cool moves etc.
 
Horrorlover656 said:
He did use darker makeup on certain occasions though. I always felt like he was trying to get his color back with makeup, until he couldn't anymore.

Examples being:- Liberian Girl video, Come Together video, Annie Leibovitz photoshoots, his visit to Japan, John Branca's wedding. He was trying his best to revert back to his natural color with caked on makeup.
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Sorry for the late reply, when I say to use black make up, I talk about to be full black and just for music video, imho he shouldn't have done these 2 years concert, he hated that, it would have been easier to use these make up for 3/4 music video and a live show, it was not wise from him and from CBS to let him appear like that without any explanation for 5 years.

For a missing opportunity, I have found two, first the duet Batman soundtrack with Prince, I think it was his best chance to beat the sales of Thriller (from wiki):

"In a 2010 Rolling Stone interview, Prince revealed that the project was initially supposed to be a collaboration between himself and Michael Jackson: "Did you know that the album was supposed to be a duet between Michael Jackson and me? He as Batman, me as the Joker?" Prince would have sung funk songs for the villains, while Michael Jackson would have sung ballads for the heroes. This never came to fruition as Jackson was busy with his Bad World Tour and already signed with Epic Records (the label he had been with since 1975), while the film was a Warner Bros. production."

The second one was another movie project, according Jermaine book he have tried to call Michael in early 90's, if I remember it was before the tv show about his family, to make an tv show about the Nubian Egyptian dynasty, that would have been awesome, specially the soundtrack.
 
I think it was a missed opportunity to have MJ in a pure aughts 2000s music video, ala Usher and JT. You Rock My World genuinely was a lot more, cinematic and formal than most MVs of the time, and he wasn't in Cry.

Arguably I guess, MJ pioneered these videos types. Blood on the Dance Floor certainly ends up close enough to the style. So maybe not much of a missed opportunity.
 
For me: no collaboration with Daft Punk

To think about a collaboration between Michael Jackson and Daft Punk is to imagine the perfect fusion of visionary artistry. It's truly unfortunate this never came to be. The idea of blending Michael's iconic vocals with Daft Punk's futuristic, groove-heavy production has endless creative potential.

After Michael's passing, involving Daft Punk in finishing some of his incomplete tracks could have been a masterstroke. The duo, having drawn inspiration from his music throughout their careers, would likely have approached the project with both reverence and excitement. Such an album would not only serve as a unique homage to the King of Pop but also as a fresh chapter in Daft Punk's legacy—a reason for their triumphant return to music.

Though it remains a tantalizing "what if," imagining the soundscapes they might have created together is thrilling: a mix of timeless melody and cutting-edge rhythm, something both forward-looking and unmistakably Jackson. It would have been a masterpiece of artistic synergy.
 
Lack of collaborations.....
I imagine he could have created tracks with anyone....
But for the last couple of years all we got was Shaq, Notorious BIG, and random no named artists...
Surprised we never got Elton John, George Michael, Madonna, Prince, etc.... Not that I needed that.
But I feel there should be far more duets.
He should have created a duet album with Janet.
Would have liked an entire album of Beatles remakes...
 
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dam2040 said:
So as I said, sitting on a stool is fine for some (Nirvana as you pointed out), but it's not Michael Jackson.
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You're right,you'd firstly have to be capable of decent live singing,I'm afraid.
As we all know,Jackson hasn't shown proof of so since the early days of his solo debut tour,so I understand your skepticism,really:some people are great enough as musicians in order to pull something like this off,while others simply..are not.
Rather miss an "opportunity" than expose your actual limits both as a musician and a raw vocalist,by all means.
 
I kinda think he never really did anything too wildly different musically wise like his peers. As much as I love History and Dangerous, he wasn't really doing any kind of genre he hadn't done on Thriller and Bad. Off the Wall > Thriller was his biggest genre transformation, disco to pure pop and pop-rock. Meanwhile Madonna, Prince, Janet were always changing radically with each musical era.

MJ's chance to do something like that was the 2000s but we only got Invincible. Also maybe, that was something being stipulated by his record label, like they were doing to George Michael and Mariah Carey.
 
Immortal MJJ said:
You're right,you'd firstly have to be capable of decent live singing,I'm afraid.
As we all know,Jackson hasn't shown proof of so since the early days of his solo debut tour,so I understand your skepticism,really:some people are great enough as musicians in order to pull something like this off,while others simply..are not.
Rather miss an "opportunity" than expose your actual limits both as a musician and a raw vocalist,by all means.
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Never quote me again. Thanks.
 
Mister_Jay_Tee said:
It angers me to know the lames can speak.
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pretty ironic,since you're the prime example of that,by what I see..
sorry to burst into your little cult,i suppose,although i really do not plan on leaving anytime soon,unless a well deserved perm ban is going to happen anytime soon or so..
 
Immortal MJJ said:
pretty ironic,since you're the prime example of that,by what I see..
sorry to burst into your little cult,i suppose,although i really do not plan on leaving anytime soon,unless a well deserved perm ban is going to happen anytime soon or so..
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Pipe down young, this some whole other politics.
 
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