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"Michael", a biopic about Michael Jackson, is officially happening.

nextbigthing56 said:
Unfortunately this isn't 'based off reports'. They have contacts who know the actual behind the scenes goings on of the film. Also, this episode was filmed very recently (not around the same time the reports came out).
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I'm not gonna lie until we get a confirmation by Lionsgate I don't think we should really act as if it has been 100% delayed especially after the media reports Lionsgate said there was no delay and they are close to finishing production
 
nextbigthing56 said:
Lionsgate are concerned that new allegations will hurt the success of the film. This, according to the MJCast, is why many of the scenes involving the Chandler case are being reshot and the movie rewritten.
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That makes zero sense. If Lionsgate were concerned about new allegations coming out, the logical reaction would be to reshoot the movie to add even more undeniable proof that he was innocent, not reshoot it to remove the scenes that prove he was innocent and therefore be accused of making a movie glorifying a pedophile. Literally, the only way this movie can be accepted is if it convinces people he was innocent, making it okay to make a positive movie about him.
 
SmoothGangsta said:
Do they actually have any new info or are they just speculating based on previous reports?
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According to the MJCast podcast, they have "sources" for this information from the inside. That's all they will say. It seems October 3rd is the best possible outcome but a delay is more than likely. It seems if you believe this then that Puck article with Matthew Beloni was correct form January.

Like I said, we will get an idea over the next 3 weeks regarding what is happening. Keep a close eye on CinemaCon April 1st... and if you don't hear anything about MJ, you can take it to the bank the movie is being delayed. My gut feeling is that we will get an answer one way or another around this time.
 
etoile 37 said:
That makes zero sense. If Lionsgate were concerned about new allegations coming out, the logical reaction would be to reshoot the movie to add even more undeniable proof that he was innocent, not reshoot it to remove the scenes that prove he was innocent and therefore be accused of making a movie glorifying a pedophile. Literally, the only way this movie can be accepted is if it convinces people he was innocent, making it okay to make a positive movie about him.
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I wholeheartedly agree
 
Blues_Away2023 said:
This film will be an utter waste of time if they portray Michael as a saint with no flaws and no allegations made against him.

I still believe the film will do MJ justice and give the audience the real Michael Jackson , warts and all
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The allegations were Evan Chandler's warts, not Michael's. Enjoying spending time with children is not a flaw, it's a weakness that makes you vulnerable to evil people, but not a "flaw".
 
etoile 37 said:
add even more undeniable proof that he was innocent
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Like any sex scandal involving two people alone in a private bedroom, I'm not sure what undeniable proof anyone could have for guilt or innocence.

In American society, you are presumed innocent until proven guilty and Michael was found not guilty the only time charges were brought, so he should be presented as not guilty. I'm just not sure what undeniable proof of innocence they could add.
 
KING OF HISTORY said:
Like any sex scandal involving two people alone in a private bedroom, I'm not sure what undeniable proof anyone could have for guilt or innocence.
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I would say Jordan Chandler claiming that Michael was circumcised when he actually was not is pretty good proof that he never saw it or touched it. Also the Evan Chandler recorded tapes are basically Evan explaining the whole scheme, those tapes would sound terrible in front of a jury.
 
etoile 37 said:
I would say Jordan Chandler claiming that Michael was circumcised when he actually was not is pretty good proof that he never saw it or touched it. Also the Evan Chandler recorded tapes are basically Evan explaining the whole scheme, those tapes would sound terrible in front of a jury.
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That's certainly compelling evidence and weighing everything, I choose to presume Michael was not guilty. I'm just not sure we could ever have "undeniable proof" of guilt or innocence in any sex scandal involving two people alone in a bedroom. All anyone can do is draw their best conclusions based on available evidence.

It's part of what makes a false accusation of this nature so unfair. Producing undeniable proof was impossible for Michael to do.

Very curious to see how the film handles it and holding out hope that we get to see the film this year. Haven't been this excited for a movie in a long time.
 
SmoothCriminal1995 said:
We haven't even seen a trailer for this biopic and I'm sick of hearing about it

Why on earth didn't the estate tackle any allegations head on and completely exonerate Michael publicly, before they pressed ahead with a biopic?

This is stupid situation to be in and I wouldn't be surprised if it was delayed again
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The estates thinking is even if they publicly try prove MJ is innocent it still will have negative consequences to their/Michaels image since they will get accused of 'covering up an abuser' or publicly acknowledging Michael's allegations makes it seem 'real' to people
I think Graham King was the one who wanted to actually make the movie back in like 2019, and the estate agreed
The biopic despite its controversial timing is a huge benefit to the estate and Michaels legacy imo
I don't think Branca was expecting back in 2019 that LN2 would happen or the alleged Cascio backstab or somehow W&Js case being set to trial in 2026
Even with the issues this would happen regardless even after the trial in 2026, lets just hope that this movie does Michael justice whilst also being a fun movie to watch
 
I agree. I think it's safe to assume there are definitely problems with the film, otherwise I'm sure we would of seen/heard something by now (other than the picture of Jaafar which was released over a year ago). It's just too eerily quiet for something not to be up IMO.

If there is no teaser/trailer or at least an update around April 1st I think we can safely say the film will not be being released this year.
travis3000 said:
According to the MJCast podcast, they have "sources" for this information from the inside. That's all they will say. It seems October 3rd is the best possible outcome but a delay is more than likely. It seems if you believe this then that Puck article with Matthew Beloni was correct form January.

Like I said, we will get an idea over the next 3 weeks regarding what is happening. Keep a close eye on CinemaCon April 1st... and if you don't hear anything about MJ, you can take it to the bank the movie is being delayed. My gut feeling is that we will get an answer one way or another around this time.
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etoile 37 said:
That makes zero sense. If Lionsgate were concerned about new allegations coming out, the logical reaction would be to reshoot the movie to add even more undeniable proof that he was innocent, not reshoot it to remove the scenes that prove he was innocent and therefore be accused of making a movie glorifying a pedophile. Literally, the only way this movie can be accepted is if it convinces people he was innocent, making it okay to make a positive movie about him.
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Execs at lionsgate could also be morons, we'll just need to wait and see.
 
travis3000 said:
According to the MJCast podcast, they have "sources" for this information from the inside. That's all they will say. It seems October 3rd is the best possible outcome but a delay is more than likely. It seems if you believe this then that Puck article with Matthew Beloni was correct form January.
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wasn`t the article about doing reshoots because of legal problems handling the Chandler-allegations/settlement in the biopic?
 
Annita said:
wasn`t the article about doing reshoots because of legal problems handling the Chandler-allegations/settlement in the biopic?
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Lowkey feel like that was just BS, it was denied by the team, the estate despite its faults would not allow that to happen, and also Lionsgate/Graham King would definitely check if there were legal issues regarding the Chandler case before investing 150 million in this film
I personally believe the reason we got the initial delay was due to Lionsgate finding out about the whole Estate and Cascio deal, so I presume since the delay announcement and now in march they have actually all been rewriting, I do think the march reshoots are true. MJCast are quite reliable but I think fans got a bit too carried away regarding their recent episode, "I wouldn't be surprised if the October release date is delayed but there hasn't been any announcement" is what Charles Thomson stated (Paraphrased) but some people took that as 100% confirmation that Lionsgate has delayed the film again or that the production is absolutely doomed, no they knew this last year that's why it was initially delayed.
 
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The MJCast section of the episode covering the biopic news is worth a listen, however disappointing it is. Biopic section starts at 36:09. Heartbreaking even, hearing how much this film, as currently written, would be tackling in covering the allegations. One notable section:

“…The narrative of the biopic revolved very heavily around the allegations.

It depicted the raid on Neverland. It depicted the forced naked photoshoot Michael Jackson was subjected to by the government. And it really used the allegations in 1993 as a narrative spine.

So it was kind of flashing backwards and forwards between what's going on in 1993 and how did we get here. It was a very crucial part of the film and that was driven in no small part by Graham King, the producer, who is a huge supporter of Michael and has researched the topic in a massive amount of detail and is very convinced, as I understand it, of Michael's innocence and wanted to make that very central to the film. However, when this story broke, Lionsgate were like, what the f*** is this?

…So there have now been reshoots ordered. I understand that the reshoots are... I have to think carefully about what I say.

I understand that the reshoots are to do with a rewriting of the narrative of the film, which will now substantially dodge the 1993 issue, whereas it was previously heavily built around the 1993 issue. Those reshoots are due to take place in the coming months, but obviously, it's a big cast with some big hitters in it, like Coleman Domingo and Miles Teller. So when they will be able to get everybody together to do the reshoots, I don’t know.”

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You’re seriously telling me the whole script was written, then filmed, editing began, promos posted… then lionsgate finally wanted to see what was going on in the film & ordered it all be changed?
 
dam2040 said:
You’re seriously telling me the whole script was written, then filmed, editing began, promos posted… then lionsgate finally wanted to see what was going on in the film & ordered it all be changed?
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I mean I do think there were rewrites and changes but not to the extent that the whole ****** movie is being rewritten and that they are so scared to show the allegations, they probably toned down the focus on the 93 case and made it more evenly spread for better pacing in the film, but even then we don't know what is going on behind the scenes, fans for some reason took the MJCast episode as 100% proof that the biopic is in huge trouble when it's not. It's just some rewrites its really not the end of the biopic, despite Lionsgate being cowards about the Cascios they aren't going to force production to rewrite the whole film and do everything again.
 
What’s with this pro-everything narrative in regards to the biopic? It reeks of the “Michael” album discussion back in the day, and we see where that got us. Skepticism is a healthy thing, especially with Michael products.

Negative doesn’t mean I’m not realistic; I just trust their source. It is what it is. I was beyond ecstatic for the biopic, now cautiously optimistic, at least in their coverage of the allegations.
 
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dam2040 said:
You’re seriously telling me the whole script was written, then filmed, editing began, promos posted… then lionsgate finally wanted to see what was going on in the film & ordered it all be changed?
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I think the narrative is that the studio panicked when they heard about the cascio extortion, so are now making them re write the movie to remove or tone down any allegations stuff, not that Lionsgate didn't know what was in the film.
 
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