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Dangerous 2LP 33RPM & SACD announced

SmoothGangsta said:
I have no idea what the difference is, tbh. Probably that this release is not on ultra disc vinyl or whatever they are calling it.
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So Mofi has three product lines:
- the silver series;
- the original master recording
- the UltraDisc One-Step

The biggest value Mofi adds to their releases is the mastering of their products. They sound different. They have a more Audiophile approach of mastering. It's not necessarily better than the original masters in Michael's case, since the original releases already sound excellent, but if you like transparency, detail, dynamic range and a bit more of a analytical approach to the albums Mofi wil not disappoint. You do need a decent system to really enjoy the difference though.

Now there are releases out there from other artists were the Mofi releases are really worth getting since the original releases don't sound that great and the Mofis do. But that's not the case with Mike. The Originals sound great as they are.

To be honest, the Mofi approach, is not Michael's approach. Michael wanted to make more of a dance impact than these masters offer, but I love the Mofi approach. Michael's songs are pieces of art. A lot of his songs built up, adding al these little details and layers and it's so much more advanced than most pop music, especially modern pop music. So presenting all these details in their full colours is something I love and Mofi really pulls these into full view. Personally I believe the Mofi releases Thriller and Off the Wall are the best sounding versions of these albums out there.

Sorry for the long intro 😅 I got carried away. Now the different in these three product lines as far as I know aren't in the mastering. The silver line are greatly mastered records for which Mofi didn't have access to the original master tapes. After the remaster the Silver Series are pressed on more budget friendly vinyls and have more budget friendly packaging.

The original master recordings are the releases that have the Mofi remastering from, as the product name suggests, the original master tapes. So for all MJJ Mofi releases until this date Sony gave Mofi access to the original tapes. Dangerous wil be released as a original master recording release. They get the Mofi remaster approach and are then pressed on high quality 180 gramm vinyl in a standard way. They are produced in the same way most vinyls out there are.

The highest quality Mofi delivers is with their UltraDisc One-Step releases. Same mastering, different production. With the more standard production process extra steps are added in the process to make the production of large production numbers possible. With the One-Step these different production steps are removed from the process to create a vinyl that is as close to the original master as possible. The theory is that with each step in the production process, the quality degrade. Less steps means better sound. I believe these releases are also pressed on higher quality vinyl and the quality control is more advanced. This comes with a price tag. The One-Step are extremely expensive. Especially in Europe where they are sold for around € 170,00. 125 USD in the States.

Although theoretically the One-Step approach might be a thing I believe, as with a lot of things in the Audiophile realm, it's snake oil. I don't believe the human ear can hear the difference a €20.000,00 cable measures and the same goes for the One-Step proces.

Now if you have a look at the SACD releases from Mofi, there is only the original master recordings since the One-Step only has to do with the production of vinyls, which isn't a thing when producing CDs.

So sound wise I'm really happy with the announcement. The OCD in me just would love to have all MJJ Mofi Releases in the same jacket. Which apparently unfortunately is not happening.

So in short: Dangerous wil sound great and is based on the same mastering technique as Thriller and Off the Wall sourced from the original master. It will be pressed in a different way on a bit cheaper, but still very high quality vinyl and housed in a different sleeve. The SACD wil be the same.
 
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MJJuniorSinceMW said:
MoFi Releases are everything BUT cheap.

And having each of MJ’s albums in the best possible soundquality is imperial to some fans & music enthusiasts in general.
Given all the talk about „loudness war“ & the discussion of the best available vinyl & CD pressings in some threads of this very forum, this release is really nothing to snort on.
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Correct. And also, the MoFi releases -of any artist- are in conjunction with that artists estate/label, and run parallel to any such official entity. MoFi seeks and gets granted the permission to the masters of albums and artists they feel are worthy of such treatment and go from there.

The MoFi releases actually open MJ’s music and albums up to a much wider, more serious type music collector/fan. You have audiophile collectors on YouTube reviewing Off The Wall and Thriller and discussing those albums in more of a musically critiqued way rather than a tabloid disrespectful way.

It has zero impact or effect on what the estate do, because in effect, they license the music to a separate company. It’s win win for them in that way.
 
kai said:
No, what I’m saying is that nothing will ever change about how the estate operates if we keep buying whatever cheap garbage they put out.
It’s like meat—so long as people keep eating/buying it, animals will keep being killed for it.
It’s hard to understand how we can complain about the products the estate gives us, yet still support it by buying everything they sell.
It just doesn’t make sense.

Dangerous is of course not a cheap product. But the way they throw it at us is so low.
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I’m a carnivore for the past eight months and all of my previous health problems have pretty much disappeared. I’ll keep going thanks. 👍
 
NeoGardiV12 said:
No, but we have gotten non-brickwalled Invincible tracks in the past (you are gonna have to trust me on this one lol)

They still sound loud as hell
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Is that butterflies file that was shared one of them yeah? It's still pretty loud indeed.
 
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aazzaabb said:
I’m a carnivore for the past eight months and all of my previous health problems have pretty much disappeared. I’ll keep going thanks. 👍
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Maaan, I didn't even respond to that nonsense. Those leaf, grass & flower connoisseurs... 🌈🦄 Don't let me even get started!
If you take a look at the human dentures you see clearly for what they have been determined for.
Balanced, healthy & not too much from anything and you'll be just fine.
 
MJJuniorSinceMW said:
MoFi Releases are everything BUT cheap.

And having each of MJ’s albums in the best possible soundquality is imperial to some fans & music enthusiasts in general.
Given all the talk about „loudness war“ & the discussion of the best available vinyl & CD pressings in some threads of this very forum, this release is really nothing to snort on.
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You don’t get my point.
The product is not what’s cheap.

The way they handle releases/promtion is cheap.
The way they ignore our wishes is cheap.
The way they just randomly throw us this album is cheap.

But anyways.
 
MJJuniorSinceMW said:
Maaan, I didn't even respond to that nonsense. Those leaf, grass & flower connoisseurs... 🌈🦄 Don't let me even get started!
If you take a look at the human dentures you see clearly for what they have been determined for.
Balanced, healthy & not too much from anything and you'll be just fine.
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I just really can’t stand it when people foist their personal beliefs onto others. All of my autoimmune issues are gone since I’ve become carnivore.

Anyways, certainly not meaning to foist my personal experience into others, but the results don’t lie, but live and let live.

Thanks pal.
 
kai said:
No, what I’m saying is that nothing will ever change about how the estate operates if we keep buying whatever cheap garbage they put out.
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But Mofi stuff isn't cheap garbage and it isn't an MJE project anyway, the estate merely gives permission.

kai said:
[...] It’s hard to understand how we can complain about the products the estate gives us, yet still support it by buying everything they sell.
It just doesn’t make sense. [...]
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MoFi isn't even specifically targetting the MJ fanbase, they're for the audiophiles, music lovers, music collectors.

kai said:
You don’t get my point.
The product is not what’s cheap.

The way they handle releases/promtion is cheap.
The way they ignore our wishes is cheap.
The way they just randomly throw us this album is cheap.

But anyways.
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OK, but your points don't really apply to MoFi stuff, imo. I see it as completely separate. I mean, it's barely even a collaboration. Some of your criticisms of MJE are fair but I think in this case it's unmerited.
 
Are you really thinking the estate just gives permission without earning from it?

And one word to the both other kiddos.
My example of the „meat buyers“ was just an example and just a fact. No one cares what you eat. The fact that you already felt attacked without even being attacked speaks volumes.
 
kai said:
Are you really thinking the estate just gives permission without earning from it? [...]
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Of course MJE gets royalties from any official release, as they should. It's a legal requirement. That's not what I'm talking about. MoFi seems like a pretty independent set-up to me. If I'm wrong someone can correct me but it seems like each project they work on is their idea, it's their production values and methods they are pursuing. MJE gives permission and earns lots of lovely money but they are not involved, afaik, with the execution/production of each MoFi release or the marketing or any of it. Which is a good thing, quite frankly. There's a reason why MoFi stuff is clearly so much better than T40!
 
zinniabooklover said:
But Mofi stuff isn't cheap garbage and it isn't an MJE project anyway, the estate merely gives permission.


MoFi isn't even specifically targetting the MJ fanbase, they're for the audiophiles, music lovers, music collectors.


OK, but your points don't really apply to MoFi stuff, imo. I see it as completely separate. I mean, it's barely even a collaboration. Some of your criticisms of MJE are fair but I think in this case it's unmerited.
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Yup 👍
 
kai said:
You don’t get my point.
The product is not what’s cheap.

The way they handle releases/promtion is cheap.
The way they ignore our wishes is cheap.
The way they just randomly throw us this album is cheap.

But anyways.
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YOU don't seem to get the meaning of the word cheap. And YOU don't make a lot of sense in many of the attacks and opinions you throw around.

So ignoring wishes is cheap?
If the little spoiled bratty boy doesn't get his wish, he will throw a temper tantrum.
I'd say grow up & learn to handle it.

And what should this even mean: "randomly throwing us this album" ?
What do you expect? A pony farm child's birthday party event? A bed of roses?

Problem is you can only attack and be negative.
I do get that the estate made some huge blunders & fucked up more than once.
Which should not happen in general if I wanna sell a product. And it definitely must not happen when so called premium MJ products are involved, from the estate of all estates..

The estate did **** up:
- First and foremost, the start of it all: The Cascio Tracks and the complete handling of that situation (BIGTIME!!!)
- Off The Wall chalk edition
- the first Thriller 40 artwork
- The long period of no proper release (I get that, we've been waiting a loooong time)
- and probably some more...

But they also put out decent to great products:
- first and foremost I cherish each and EVERY unreleased legit MJ song they did put out (it's 27 songs since 2009 they either released themselves or gave the permission to release. That's roughly 1,7 new tracks per year. I bet that most would sign up for getting 2 new MJ songs per year from here on out.)
- Bad 25
- Xscape
- Thriller Mofi
- OTW Mofi
- 4K Thriller & Beat It videos
- The cirque de soleil shows & the musical
- The vinyl picture disc collection

Nevertheless, here we are now.. And we have to wait for the next product/release (whatever you wanna call it)..

YOU need to be more balanced in your assessments, or you won't be taken seriously.
If your life hinges only around a proper Michael Jackson Estate release and you have the feeling you didn't get that since 2014, I understand your sentiment and I feel sorry for you.
And if you are permanently unhappy and unsatisfied, the reason could also be that you are malnourished.
So try not only to balance your criticism and attacks. But also try a balanced and rich nutrition, maybe that helps.. ;)
 
kai said:
true.. but with that mindset nothing will ever change.
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You and we won't change anything by whining and bickering on the inter webs.

Vera Serova did force a change!

And a change is gonna happen when the leading personell at the estate will be replaced (John Branca will be 75 this year).
 
zinniabooklover said:
Of course MJE gets royalties from any official release, as they should. It's a legal requirement. That's not what I'm talking about. MoFi seems like a pretty independent set-up to me. If I'm wrong someone can correct me but it seems like each project they work on is their idea, it's their production values and methods they are pursuing. MJE gives permission and earns lots of lovely money but they are not involved, afaik, with the execution/production of each MoFi release or the marketing or any of it. Which is a good thing, quite frankly. There's a reason why MoFi stuff is clearly so much better than T40!
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I wouldn't even compare T40 with MoFi release. T40 is an expanded edition of the same album aimed at fans with bonus material.

MoFi is the same album with a premium mastering technology solely for improving the sound quality.
It's a niche product for hifi / audiophile music lovers and hardcore fans who also enjoy listening to music in great sound quality, or fans who simply want to collect each version/pressing of an album.
 
MJJuniorSinceMW said:
I wouldn't even compare T40 with MoFi release.
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I wasn't really doing that. I was simply trying to make something crystal clear to kai bc I think he's mixing up two different things. MJE has done some decent work (basically the stage productions) but when they get it wrong, they really get it wrong, imo. That's all I was saying.

MJJuniorSinceMW said:
T40 is an expanded edition of the same album aimed at fans with bonus material.
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Quite.

MJJuniorSinceMW said:
MoFi is the same album with a premium mastering technology solely for improving the sound quality.
It's a niche product for hifi / audiophile music lovers and hardcore fans who also enjoy listening to music in great sound quality, or fans who simply want to collect each version/pressing of an album.
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This is pretty much the same point I was making. It's a niche product from MoFi, it's not an MJE product. Not imo, anyway. MJE gives permission but they are not really involved in any part of the production, afaik. So I don't understand why kai is complaining about this particular release. MoFi releases are premium products, what's not to like?
 
zinniabooklover said:
I wasn't really doing that. I was simply trying to make something crystal clear to kai bc I think he's mixing up two different things. MJE has done some decent work (basically the stage productions) but when they get it wrong, they really get it wrong, imo. That's all I was saying.


Quite.


This is pretty much the same point I was making. It's a niche product from MoFi, it's not an MJE product. Not imo, anyway. MJE gives permission but they are not really involved in any part of the production, afaik. So I don't understand why kai is complaining about this particular release. MoFi releases are premium products, what's not to like?
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Spot on. So far the only people that have complained are the people that clearly don't understand what it is. They are not the target audience.

They're well entitled to complain and bitch but they're just showing how clueless they are as to what is being offered here.

This is a fantastic release and a surprise for those of us who care. The Thriller and OTW releases sounded absolutely fantastic so I have high expectations here.
 
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