FT article: Michael Jackson estate says accuser is trying to extract $213mn

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I am curious whether the obvious conflicting things FC has said about MJ in the past will be upheld to scrutiny by non fans. I say this because it felt like WRs 2005 testimony was completely overlooked during the whole LN fiasco. No one but fans seemed to care that he had defended MJ in court. Everything FC has previously said is the best defence for MJ, but this didn't seem to work with WR.

I feel like the only saving grace is that FC was involved with the fake songs, and this makes him suspect as it proves he and his family have lied for monetary gain when it comes to MJ. Who would have thought the fake songs may one day be a blessing in disguise. Has anyone listened to DS Fake Songs podcast, does he mention FC?

I also have not noticed this news gather too much steam in the media, so that's another positive if it lasts.

I do think as fans we need to think about how we can help MJ. It would be good to gather as much information as we can on the Cascios (with sources) in the event accusations are made. It would be really good to have a YouTube video with clips of FCs previous commentary on MJ, and information about the family. It would be good to have all that information accessible in one place, like a mini doc. Unfortunately, I am too technologically challenged to execute anything this ambitious, but just thinking out loud.

❤️🧤Love this idea @jasmine.uddin would be even better if it was a MJ Fan that created and compiled all this crucial information, if we expect to see a case or a fight in court!
I am currently working on a "FOLLOW THE BROKE CRUMBS" detailing the real reason for these blood suckers of MJ I saw somewhere years ago about the financial ruin of them all, so I got to thinking I would love to prove how truly and utterly desperate to save their pathetic lives that they would feel entitled to a very BIG PAYDAY from Michael and lie and lie after his death so he could not defend himself!

👉They are all sadly mistaken if they think this fight is between them and MJ Estate and a courtroom.. WE WILL BE THEIR BLINDSIDE!!!:mad:

🧚‍♀️MICHAEL HAS US TO FIGHT FOR HIM AND OOOOH WE WILL NEVER STOP FOR GENERATIONS TO COME!!! 🧚‍♀️

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I am curious whether the obvious conflicting things FC has said about MJ in the past will be upheld to scrutiny by non fans. I say this because it felt like WRs 2005 testimony was completely overlooked during the whole LN fiasco. No one but fans seemed to care that he had defended MJ in court. Everything FC has previously said is the best defence for MJ, but this didn't seem to work with WR.

I feel like the only saving grace is that FC was involved with the fake songs, and this makes him suspect as it proves he and his family have lied for monetary gain when it comes to MJ. Who would have thought the fake songs may one day be a blessing in disguise. Has anyone listened to DS Fake Songs podcast, does he mention FC?

I also have not noticed this news gather too much steam in the media, so that's another positive if it lasts.

I do think as fans we need to think about how we can help MJ. It would be good to gather as much information as we can on the Cascios (with sources) in the event accusations are made. It would be really good to have a YouTube video with clips of FCs previous commentary on MJ, and information about the family. It would be good to have all that information accessible in one place, like a mini doc. Unfortunately, I am too technologically challenged to execute anything this ambitious, but just thinking out loud.

I also think it is important to prepare for what the counter arguments could be and address those in a pre emptive manner. I suspect one will be that MJ groomed the whole family in order to molest. As uncomfortable as the counter arguments are, we need to have logically sound answers to these instead of emotionally charged opinions. Part of this will involve looking into MJs behaviours which are questionable from an objective standpoint, and let me make it clear that questionable is not the same as criminal. However, it is often those questionable behaviours that work against MJ in the non-fan world.

I can't help but wonder what happened with FC to trigger a complete 180. We know with WR he was bitter about losing out on that job, I am curious about what the tipping point was for FC and the entire family.
My belief for Frank is two things:
1. Mounting gambling debts living beyond his means (https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment...ex-manager-caught-230019940.html?guccounter=1)
2. COVID: Restaurant money, if any was directed his way, was greatly diminished.

Frank auctioned everything he could get his hands on when it relates to MJ, even his underwear - and that was happening at least as early as 2018 before anyone had ever heard of the term Leaving Neverland. I think he saw his opportunity and took it.
 
My belief for Frank is two things:
1. Mounting gambling debts living beyond his means (https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment...ex-manager-caught-230019940.html?guccounter=1)
2. COVID: Restaurant money, if any was directed his way, was greatly diminished.

Frank auctioned everything he could get his hands on when it relates to MJ, even his underwear - and that was happening at least as early as 2018 before anyone had ever heard of the term Leaving Neverland. I think he saw his opportunity and took it.
I hadn't realised FC had auctioned off MJ items, auctioning off underwear is very disturbing/desperate behaviour. So far, monetary gain from MJ would include the fake songs, his book and auctions.
 
I hadn't realised FC had auctioned off MJ items, auctioning off underwear is very disturbing/desperate behaviour. So far, monetary gain from MJ would include the fake songs, his book and auctions.
I may be wrong but I don't believe Frank was directly involved in the fake songs, that was Eddie. Both rotten apples from the same tree.
 
Is EC likely to be one of the DOES 1-10?
Kelley posted a good list that sounds very plausible to me:
1.Eddie
2.Aldo
3. Doninimic
4. Marie Nicole
5. Mom Connie
6. Dad Dominic
7.. James Porte (fake song peddler and now Marie Nicoles husband)
8. Eddies wife
9. Unknown Spouse of one of the siblings
10. Unknown Spouse of one of the siblings
 
[...] I do think as fans we need to think about how we can help MJ. It would be good to gather as much information as we can on the Cascios (with sources) in the event accusations are made. [...]
❤️🧤Love this idea @jasmine.uddin would be even better if it was a MJ Fan that created and compiled all this crucial information, if we expect to see a case or a fight in court! [...]
Something is already happening with this. I don't have details but Jenny Winings is involved.

EDIT - I'm not saying that there can't be other, similar efforts happening at the same time. Just wanted to flag up that people are already thinking about this.
 
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And before someone attacks me for calling out arckangel.

Please have a look at their posting history. They have a documented pattern of posting innuendo and pro Guilter stuff while pretending to just be concerned or want answers. Just go read their posts for yourself and you will see what I mean.

If they have doubts or concerns they should leave the forum. There's plenty of other spaces for them to go talk about their doubts.

This should be a space free from guilters.

Am I the only one who feels that way?

If I am. Then maybe this site isn't the place for me.

I have went through Arckangels entire post history since 2019 and there is pretty much NOTHING that is suggesting that Arckangel is a guilter that has spent 6+ years on this forum for some unknown reason.

There is a valid reason to be aware of possible infiltration by guilters, but that does not mean that you can judge people without evidence and in many cases without even a shred of evidence. I have called you out on this before, you SHOULD NOT start to claim people are guilters just because they are analyzing sensitive arguments on this forum, or because they disagree with you on certain things MJ did in relation to children for example.

Fans do not have to blindly agree with everything MJ ever did to be worthy of being on this forum. I have been here since 2003 and sometimes I also cringe when I see some of the stuff that is written and speculated about, but that does not mean I am going to start attacking posters - if anything I will debate their posts which is what we are here for.

Conclusion: Take a chill pill and realize you are in deep water. That does not mean I do not appreciate you fighting for MJ, I do! That does not mean you have to leave the forum, you just have to be mindful before throwing baseless accusations against other members!

If you really believe Arckangel is a guilter based on post history since 2019, then you have to take a good long look in the mirror and re-assess your criteria for people being a guilter because you are way off mark on this one and its not the first time!

You are labeling someone on this forum a "guilter" and then leaving them to scramble to save their reputation, which is highly unfair! You are doing exactly the kind of stuff we all hated when it was being done to MJ! You have wrongly accused members for being guilters before and was called out on it - but yet you never learn or change your behavior, why is that?
 
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Here's what's even more ridiculous... I've been here for six years, and @Harun has been here for fourteen years. No drama or problems. And all of a sudden, we are accused by a much newer member (in clear violation of the Terms and rules) of being stealth guilters because a few posts with clear intent to support MJ.
I've witnessed members who have been here for 10+ years suddenly turn and reveal themselves as guilters. It's happened since I made an account here.
 
I have went through Arckangels entire post history since 2019 and there is pretty much NOTHING there that is suggesting that Arckangel is a guilter that has spent 6+ years on this forum for some unknown reason.
They posted about the nobody singer billy what's his name talking shit about MJ. Did you see that?

That was not needed at all. The guy didn't even make any claims he just said he's happy his parents didn't let him go to neverland. Why was that worthy of a thread here? I'm not the only one who question why arckangel made that thread. Go read the replies.

When someone asked why he made the thread this was his response


Because it's very scandalous to me (no matter how famous or not the person is), and it shows a worrisome pattern: a man in his thirties or forties who used to love Michael Jackson, praise him, who got close to Michael Jackson on at least one occasion, who then bizarrely turns on him and start to publicly accuse him or at least vilify him.

It warrants a discussion for those interested.
So in other words he wants to make this "pattern" known.

One tactic Guilters do is trying to increase the number of accusers/detractors as much as they can and spread the number around as much as they can.

So them going out of their way to make a thread about this nobody is suspicious.

Please go read the thread I'm referring to

 
Something is already happening with this. I don't have details but Jenny Winings is involved.

EDIT - I'm not saying that there can't be other, similar efforts happening at the same time. Just wanted to flag up that people are already thinking about this.

I believe you got a point here and we should learn to get ready for the NEXT BETRAYERS AND LOWLIFES coming for our Angel!

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1.Eddie
2.Aldo
3. Doninimic
4. Marie Nicole
5. Mom Connie
6. Dad Dominic
7.. James Porte (fake song peddler and now Marie Nicoles husband)
8. Eddies wife
9. Unknown Spouse of one of the siblings
10. Unknown Spouse of one of the siblings
Oh oh what a tangled web we weave once we see what people are willing to do so they can feel like a somebody when you are really a nobody in the real world and when you can no longer be next to, that much luxury, free trips, free dinners and free exspnsive gifts must have been hard to live without Michael's Money maybe that is why they wan't LEECH SUPPORT lolol

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They posted about the nobody singer billy what's his name talking shit about MJ. Did you see that?

That was not needed at all. The guy didn't even make any claims he just said he's happy his parents didn't let him go to neverland. Why was that worthy of a thread here? I'm not the only one who question why arckangel made that thread. Go read the replies.

When someone asked why he made the thread this was his response

So in other words he wants to make this "pattern" known.

One tactic Guilters do is trying to increase the number of accusers/detractors as much as they can and spread the number around as much as they can.

So them going out of their way to make a thread about this nobody is suspicious.

Please go read the thread I'm referring to


I already read that thread when it was posted. And I agree I would not have posted it. But it certainly does not mean someone is a guilter. The problem you have is you make assumptions quickly when you dont have the evidence to back it up. You cant just take a small thing like that and then throw the guilter accusation, that is so wrong and uncalled for.

There are people that will react differently than you and post stuff that you would not post and yet not be anything close to a guilter, can you acknowledge that? There are people that will watch what that Roxanne person or whatever she is named says in her videos and then argue about what she is saying etc - that does not in any way mean they are a guilter in any sense or shape or form.

If anyone is a Michael Jackson fan and then suddenly get accused of being a guilter trying to smear MJs reputation, that is going to hurt and its not going to lead to anything positive, hence I would never make such an accusation if there was not ample proof of it!

Stop seeing "guilters" everywhere and just stick to discussing the topics being discussed without making personal attacks against other members. It is not OK to jump the gun and falsely accuse 10 members on vague grounds even if you manage to spot 1 guilter, just wanted to add that! I think its hurting this forum more to constantly question whether other members are being real fans than if one guilter would manage to stay on the boards for example.

One guilter would not be able to do any damage on here while not making it obvious they are a guilter, so I dont see the huge fear you have! The fans on here wont be swayed by some weak BS!

Let the knowledge you have about the cases do the talking instead!
 
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❤️ Just wanted to say how Proud I am that we are ALL MICHAEL JACKSON LOVERS here!
💫It takes every single LOYAL Fan to build this LOVE ARMY FOR MICHAEL!! ALL OF US TOGETHER!!!🫶
🧤❤️HONOURED THAT MICHAEL JACKSON LOVED US FIRST AND FOR ALWAYS!!!!🧤❤️

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I already read that thread when it was posted. And I agree I would not have posted it. But it certainly does not mean someone is a guilter. The problem you have is you make assumptions quickly when you dont have the evidence to back it up. You cant just take a small thing like that and then throw the guilter accusation, that is so wrong and uncalled for.

There are people that will react differently than you and post stuff that you would not post and yet not be anything close to a guilter, can you acknowledge that? There are people that will watch what that Roxanne person or whatever she is named says in her videos and then argue about what she is saying etc - that does not in any way mean they are a guilter in any sense or shape or form.

If anyone is a Michael Jackson fan and then suddenly get accused of being a guilter trying to smear MJs reputation, that is going to hurt and its not going to lead to anything positive, hence I would never make such an accusation if there was not ample proof of it!

Stop seeing "guilters" everywhere and just stick to discussing the topics being discussed without making personal attacks against other members. It is not OK to jump the gun and falsely accuse 10 members on vague grounds even if you manage to spot 1 guilter, just wanted to add that! I think its hurting this forum more to constantly question whether other members are being real fans than if one guilter would manage to stay on the boards for example.

One guilter would not be able to do any damage on here while not making it obvious they are a guilter, so I dont see the huge fear you have! The fans on here wont be swayed by some weak BS!

Let the knowledge you have about the cases do the talking instead!

As you say, not all fans think and reason the same way. It is a problem (so frustrating) when certain members start policing what can or cannot be posted on here, and I certainly will not start justifying every single post or thread I make.

Sometimes, I'll make a post or thread that one or two members find unnecessary. I get it! When I go to forums, I don't read all the threads and all the posts—can't keep up with all the posts—and I usually ignore threads or posts that don't particularly interest me.

If I disagree or don't like something, I'll politely explain why I disagree, or I'll just ignore it. But I won't start bashing the topic or berating, let alone slandering the poster over it. Doing so goes against the rules (rules #1 & #18).


As you say, some members will post about a detractor (Roxanne, Perez Hilton, or whoever else) or an accuser of Michael Jackson for the sake of discussion, and in the spirit of supporting/defending Jackson. Those threads and posts are for those interested in replying and discussing it. As unnecessary as it may seem to certain members, other members are glad to be informed.

For instance, they may decide not to listen to and support that singer (Sheryl Crow, Sia, Barbra Streisand, or whoever else) that guilted MJ or that singer (Billy Gilman) that made a strange comment in regard to MJ.

Gilman only said he's glad his parents did not let him stay at Neverland for Xmas—with that expression on his face... What did he mean exactly? He did not elaborate, and that made some people think he thought MJ is guilty or something. And he plugged his new single in the caption of that same reel, which seemed opportunistic (he later deleted that reel).


@kelley Gilman knew very well that it would make people think he thinks MJ is guilty (many who saw his reel thought he was somehow guilting MJ). What about those who made threads on Michael Jacobshagen or Orlando Brown, eh?

DON'T TELL ME HOW TO POST!!! I'LL KEEP POSTING THE WAY I WANT!!! Stop indulging in freakish slandering behaviour!

The only purpose of that thread was to inform members, and it came from a place of support to MJ. Those not interested can just ignore it! Simple!

It is freaking paranoia to assert that the mere mention of a detractor or accuser is a subtle way of promoting their views, increasing the number of accusers or what not...
 
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❤️ Just wanted to say how Proud I am that we are ALL MICHAEL JACKSON LOVERS here!
💫It takes every single LOYAL Fan to build this LOVE ARMY FOR MICHAEL!! ALL OF US TOGETHER!!!🫶
🧤❤️HONOURED THAT MICHAEL JACKSON LOVED US FIRST AND FOR ALWAYS!!!!🧤❤️

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I already read that thread when it was posted. And I agree I would not have posted it. But it certainly does not mean someone is a guilter. The problem you have is you make assumptions quickly when you dont have the evidence to back it up. You cant just take a small thing like that and then throw the guilter accusation, that is so wrong and uncalled for.

There are people that will react differently than you and post stuff that you would not post and yet not be anything close to a guilter, can you acknowledge that? There are people that will watch what that Roxanne person or whatever she is named says in her videos and then argue about what she is saying etc - that does not in any way mean they are a guilter in any sense or shape or form.

If anyone is a Michael Jackson fan and then suddenly get accused of being a guilter trying to smear MJs reputation, that is going to hurt and its not going to lead to anything positive, hence I would never make such an accusation if there was not ample proof of it!

Stop seeing "guilters" everywhere and just stick to discussing the topics being discussed without making personal attacks against other members. It is not OK to jump the gun and falsely accuse 10 members on vague grounds even if you manage to spot 1 guilter, just wanted to add that! I think its hurting this forum more to constantly question whether other members are being real fans than if one guilter would manage to stay on the boards for example.

One guilter would not be able to do any damage on here while not making it obvious they are a guilter, so I dont see the huge fear you have! The fans on here wont be swayed by some weak BS!

Let the knowledge you have about the cases do the talking instead!

See:


Was it a mistake for this thread and posts on Michael Jacobshagen to be made? Are those posters all guilters pushing an agenda, wanting for there to be more accusers?


Was it a mistake for this thread and posts on Orlando Brown to be made? Are those posters all guilters pushing an agenda, wanting for there to be more accusers?

I rest my case...


A discussion forum is made to discuss! Once again... Some fans find certain threads or unnecessary. I get it! But it's not against the rules of this community to make them! Regular members cannot assume the role of an administrator and start policing other members on here, berating them for making this post or that thread.


@kelley You've been reported for breaching this rule:

The following posts, signatures, and/or behaviours are NOT allowed on MJJCommunity:

1. Derogatory name-calling, personal insults/attacks, the confrontational questioning of fanhood or integrity, or antagonizing or bullying remarks directed at staff, other members, or MJJCommunity as a whole


I will keep posting as I see fit! If, in a spirit of defence of MJ, I deem it's pertinent to report something Roxanne, Ron Zonen, Billy Gilman, or whoever else said, I will!

I have no orders to take from you, and you are the only causing strife and derailing the thread. Why is that, eh?
 
You are labeling someone on this forum a "guilter" and then leaving them to scramble to save their reputation, which is highly unfair! You are doing exactly the kind of stuff we all hated when it was being done to MJ! You have wrongly accused members for being guilters before and was called out on it - but yet you never learn or change your behavior, why is that?
If anyone is a Michael Jackson fan and then suddenly get accused of being a guilter trying to smear MJs reputation, that is going to hurt and its not going to lead to anything positive, hence I would never make such an accusation if there was not ample proof of it!
True! I explained in previous posts that @Victorious wondered why some people are disturbed by the Cascio kids being awoken at night to see Michael. That's why I mentioned Roxanne; she talks about it in a vlog entry.

There is a valid reason to be aware of possible infiltration by guilters, but that does not mean that you can judge people without evidence and in many cases without even a shred of evidence. I have called you out on this before, you SHOULD NOT start to claim people are guilters just because they are analyzing sensitive arguments on this forum, or because they disagree with you on certain things MJ did in relation to children for example.
I made it clear I was not promoting her perspective. As you say, sometimes, we need to analyse sensitive arguments, and I explained in my post that it is good to know what arguments detractors are using, what's in their playbook. I explained that she makes use a lot of psychology talk, consults a website on the signs of grooming... Knowing her arguments, we are better equipped to debate. For instance, when detractors say that Jordan's description was a match, we need to know what to say to refute that.

And I explained how to view her video without giving her views, the link was not clickable, and nobody had any obligation to watch. Some MJ fans on X.com have been analysing some of Roxanne's vlog entries featuring certain guests. Does that mean that they must be guilters? Sheesh...

Those who find certain posts unnecessary need to just ignore such posts, not act like they own the forum and attack & slander the posters.

Those posts are not against the rules, but confrontational questioning of fanhood or integrity is against the rules. Doesn't take a brain surgeon to understand that! As I said, I'll keep posting as I see fit per the Terms and rules.

That user has effectively derailed this thread just because of a few posts by Harun and I. That's fanatical!

If falsely accused, I have every right to set the record straight. And I have nothing to fear... My post history, as you've seen it, is public! I have nothing to hide!
 
Well said your thoughts are only expressing your frustrations aswell playing devils advocate it seems I think

I think some shouldn't jump to conclusions yes there are others who try to infiltrate but we be careful not falsely accuse someone and look at thr difference. Think other members should be mindful. I seem fans linking negative articles out of frustration to give context doesn't mean there pretend guilters
Exactly!

kelley has also accused Harun of being a guilter over this post of his, which a direct reply to a post by knigofpop.
 
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PERJURY & PUNISHMENT IN THE US
Why is these LEECHES not charged boggles my legal mind grrrrrrrr!!!

In the United States, perjury, or lying under oath, is a serious crime. Under federal law, perjury is typically classified as a felony and can result in a prison sentence of up to five years, fines, or both. The exact penalty depends on the specific circumstances of the case, including the nature of the false testimony and its impact on the legal proceedings.
Key Points:
Felony Offense: Perjury is generally treated as a felony in the US federal legal system.
Maximum Sentence: Federal law allows for a maximum sentence of five years imprisonment for perjury.
Fines and Other Penalties: In addition to imprisonment, perjury convictions may also result in fines.
Case-Specific Factors: The specific penalty imposed can vary based on the details of the case, including the materiality of the false statement and its impact on the legal process.
Impact on Future Legal Proceedings: A perjury conviction can severely damage a person's credibility and lead to further legal complications in future cases.
Collateral Consequences: Perjury convictions can also lead to deportation, visa revocation, and other immigration-related issues, according to Stephens Law Firm, PLLC.
Under Federal Law:
18 U.S. Code § 1621: is the primary federal statute defining perjury and its penalties.
The statute states that anyone convicted of perjury "shall, except as otherwise expressly provided by law, be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than five years, or both".
In addition to the penalties mentioned above, perjury can also have other significant consequences:
Damage to Reputation:
A perjury conviction can severely damage a person's reputation and credibility, affecting both personal and professional life.
Employment Barriers:
It can make it difficult to find employment, especially in fields requiring professional licenses or security clearances.
Loss of Trust:
Perjury undermines the justice system and can make it difficult to be trusted in future legal proceedings.

CORNELL LAW SCHOOL:
(1)having taken an oath before a competent tribunal, officer, or person, in any case in which a law of the United States authorizes an oath to be administered, that he will testify, declare, depose, or certify truly, or that any written testimony, declaration, deposition, or certificate by him subscribed, is true, willfully and contrary to such oath states or subscribes any material matter which he does not believe to be true; or
(2)in any declaration, certificate, verification, or statement under penalty of perjury as permitted under section 1746 of title 28, United States Code, willfully subscribes as true any material matter which he does not believe to be true;
is guilty of perjury and shall, except as otherwise expressly provided by law, be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than five years, or both. This section is applicable whether the statement or subscription is made within or without the United States.
👉 😓(June 25, 1948, ch. 645, 62 Stat. 773; Pub. L. 88–619, § 1, Oct. 3, 1964, 78 Stat. 995; Pub. L. 94–550, § 2, Oct. 18, 1976, 90 Stat. 2534; Pub. L. 103–322, title XXXIII, § 330016(1)(I), Sept. 13, 1994, 108 Stat. 2147.)
*It is not lost on me that this was on the DATE our Angel flew to Heaven!!

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So… moving on (don’t think we need novels about the rules 4000 more times)

Does anyone know when Frank began auctioning items? So far I can see it started in 2018, which for me is clear he was struggling.

The bit I don’t get is why he’s continued to auction MJ material, despite getting paid by the estate. Is he that broke?
 
So… moving on (don’t think we need novels about the rules 4000 more times)
There would be no such novels if certain members would REFRAIN from slandering other members and telling others members how to post!!!

She is still slandering me with nonsense!

What kind of English should I use with you? kelley is at fault here for repeatedly breaching the rules by ACCUSING OTHER MEMBERS OF BEING GUILTERS!!!

That's PROVOCATION and SLANDER!!! You can certainly understand the frustration, right?

Why don't you tell her to stop indulging in that paranoid behaviour? Such reminders of the rules wouldn't be necessary, then. Until she stops her slander, I'll keep repeating the rules.


And once again... What about those who made threads on Michael Jacobshagen, Orlando Brown, and so forth? Are they all guilters for that? It's not against the rules to make such threads or posts.

Those who find certain threads or posts unnecessary should just IGNORE, IGNORE, IGNORE such items and move along!

Capisce?

Now we can move on...
 
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Does anyone know when Frank began auctioning items? So far I can see it started in 2018, which for me is clear he was struggling.

The bit I don’t get is why he’s continued to auction MJ material, despite getting paid by the estate. Is he that broke?

This is the research I found from different sources including our MJJC Site @dam2040
(Dates/Timelines are different)

Original MJJC Member Post: @captainhulk 👈Thank you!
Thread Date: Apr 14, 2013
Frank Cascio has place some Michael Jackson memorabilia on Juliens auction
In the latest Juliens Auction catalouge (May 18, 2013), Frank is selling Michael's Makeup-Compact Mirror, the jacket Michael wore when he met Nelson Mandela, and a Video/CD Player that Michael gave to him, I know many here like him but I am so tired of people selling Michael bit by bit. I will assume Frank has some money so offer it to the children since Frank earned everything being with Michael. It isn't as though he had to go out job hunting.

Source: mymjjforumboards
In November 2019 Frank Cascio had put a bunch of MJ related things up for auction,
magazines MJ owned that had himself featured, and a letter / fax that proclaimed his innocence.

👉He could have done it over years so maybe I need to look for some more dates possibly!
This what I found so far, maybe some of us here will add more detailed dates ! YAY!!! 👈

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FOLLOW THE LUST OF MICHAEL'S MONEY:
File Name: The Cascio Family
Why they really need a BIG Pay Day from Michael

👉🤯They were paid Millions already and then had to create a GOFUND ME to pay their Employees???


Il Michelangelo Restaurant Employee Relief Fund (GO-FUND-ME PAGE) (Created 5yrs. Ago)
$6,975 USD raised
$10K goal·29 donations

To The Customers & Friends of il Michelangelo Restaurant:
During these very trying times, we wanted to reach out and express our never ending appreciation for all the
support you have continued to show us. Due to the rapidly evolving circumstances attributed to the COVID-19,
and considering the health & safety of our customers and our employees we have decided to remain closed until further notice.
With the closure of our establishment this leaves our very loyal and dedicated employees (extended family) in a very difficult position of providing for their families without their usual weekly income .
We are humbly asking you to assist us in an attempt to ease their burden by donating what you can to our employees. Any support would be greatly appreciated.
Please donate and share on social media as well as with your family and friends. We are eager for the time we are able to once again, welcome you and your families back into Il Michelangelo Restaurant.
Warm regards,
Dominic Cascio
Owner, Il Michelangelo Restaurant

Original MJJC Thread Post: @MKTCREATE 👈 Thank you!
Thread Date: Oct 30, 2024
Michelangelo’s Restaurant - The Cascio Family owned restaurant.

Il Michelangelo Restaurant
#1 Seems the Cascio family closed their restauraunt shortly after extorting the MJ estate of 20 million. I read Frank’s book back in the day and to see what they have turned into the moment MJ died is disgraceful.

A time to say Goodbye
It has been a great honor to bring the culinary well delights of il Michelangelo Restaurant to our patrons and friends over the last 22 years.You all have been part of our family as we have been of yours,but officially July 31,2021 we will turn over this family business over to new owners.From what I know through their friendship you will be in phenomenal hands as they stamp out a new course for this establishment.We wish them all the best and a successful future.
Thank you to all our dedicated staff and to all our loyal customers for their love and support
It has been a tremendous honor to serve the community and we will forever be grateful for all you
have done to make our little slice of Italy in America a part of you.
Thank you,
Dominic,Connie & family

🤯👉Why would a Family that just scammed millions from the Estate have to beg the world to pay their loyal and amazing employees??
Makes you wonder, the parents are the connection to Michael first and then their brats right!
So you got all this money from the Estate afew years ago if I am correct?

This is how this conversation went around their dinner table (Michael bought for them!)
They were like we OWN him he has been apart of our family ore than his own, and we really really had it ALL!
Now that we do not have anymore Michael perks we have come so accustomed to living in HIS MEGASTAR GENEROUS world,
WHY should we eat PB&J and pasta now!
If the Estate crumbled like they did and we walked away signing all the NDA's and legal docs
well screw it let's see what happens when we go back to get more from the MJJ BANK OF AMERCA!
I mean I told you we should have held out for more like I told you idiots from the beginning we walked away happy with MJ PENNIES!!

I ammmm so enraged I can't even stop my anger at them ALL......grrrrrrr

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Thanks @MJ TinkerBell for your research.

So :

Jun 2009: MJ passes away. (I vaguely remember one of the 3T members mentioning on an MJCast interview how one of the Cascios approached him during the aftermath of MJs death specifically about songs that he had).

Dec 2010- fake songs released on Michael album.

2011- FC releases book. FC goes on WW show.

May 2013- FC sells first auction at Juliens (compact mirror, jacket, and cd/video player).

2013- WR makes first accusation.

Jun 2014- JS files lawsuit claiming MJ abused him.

May 2015- WR lawsuit dismissed.

Mar 2019- LN released.

? 2019- 5 Cascios approach Estate and threaten to make allegations (The threats were made shortly after LN according to the Estate petition and FT article).

Nov 2019- FC sells items at second auction (magazines and fax letter).

Jan 2020- Estate makes a $20 million payout according to FT article. This was part of the purchase of life rights, with the 5 individuals receiving $3.3 mn over a period of years.
According to the Estates petition, they reluctantly agree to this settlement agreement with payments covering a period of 5 years, they do not disclose amounts but do confirm the Cascios 'demanded substantial amounts of money'.

Apr 2020- Go-fund-me relief fund created for Cascio restaurant (raised approx $7000, date taken from Gofundme page, it's right at the bottom).

Jul 2021- Cascio restaurant closed.

Feb 2024- Sony purchase half of MJs ATV catalogue for $600mn.

Jul 2024- According to the Estates petition, the Cascios ask for more money from the Estate, this is when they seek $213mn.

29 Aug 2024- According to the Estates petition the Cascios threatened the Estate for response and make further threats to expand their 'circle of knowledge' and reference whether their claim has been revealed to the 'buyers of the catalogue '. (This is abit confusing as the Sony purchase has already been made by this stage).

Oct 2024- According to Estate petition the Cascios former attorney delivers an envelope to the Estate containing draft lawsuits with allegations.

Sept 2024- FT article published where Estate is claiming extortion for $213 million.

Mar 2025- LN2 released.

Jul 2025- the Estate names FC (and includes 9 unnamed others?) as the extortionists and we learn MG is representing FC.

Please add/edit this timeline especially if you know specific months, and more detail on Cascio family history since MJs passing, also please correct timeline if I have made mistakes. Also couldn't get clear information on FC position with fake songs.

According to this timeline, the Gofundme happened after the Estate payout, but I don't know if I read the correct date on Gofundme page as unusually the date was right at the bottom when dates are usually at the top of a page. Could it have been the date the fund was started/finished 🤷. If the April 2020 date is correct, it makes Cascios highly suspect for setting up a Gofundme months after receiving a multimillion dollar settlement. It shows they are happy to fool/lie to the public for monetary gain.

Looking purely at the timeline, it looks like LN was a big trigger as well as restaurant issue for the first payout, whereas the restaurant was sold by the second extortion attempt, but it came after the Sony catalogue sale.
 
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They posted about the nobody singer billy what's his name talking shit about MJ. Did you see that?

That was not needed at all. The guy didn't even make any claims he just said he's happy his parents didn't let him go to neverland. Why was that worthy of a thread here? I'm not the only one who question why arckangel made that thread. Go read the replies.

When someone asked why he made the thread this was his response



So in other words he wants to make this "pattern" known.

One tactic Guilters do is trying to increase the number of accusers/detractors as much as they can and spread the number around as much as they can.

So them going out of their way to make a thread about this nobody is suspicious.

Please go read the thread I'm referring to


Exactly!

kelley has also accused Harun of being a guilter over this post of his, which a direct reply to a post by knigofpop.
Rather than turning a blind eye to the extortionists trying to make a dime off false accusations we need to be proactive and work to expose them sooner, before it becomes a huge scandal. Now the Estate has the casico case already taken to court for extortion, it can't escalate any further if they win, BUT we can't be careful anymore. There's always a chance some asshole will go back on their word of defending michael and make a slanderous claim. We only ever have 10 years of Michael before there's a artificial scandal

1983 - Thriller becomes biggest selling album ever
1993 - False allegation at the peak of Michael's career
2003 - False allegation while Michael is working on another album and major business acquisitions
2009 - Michael is murdered by his doctor in cold blood
2019 - False allegation 10 years after his death
2026 - The Movie comes out skyrocketing Michael's fame to never before seen heights and sales, since the 90s
2027 - The trial with the LN assholes finally ends and the estate wins
2029 - ????
 
Thanks @MJ TinkerBell for your research.

So :

Jun 2009: MJ passes away. (I vaguely remember one of the 3T members mentioning on an MJCast interview how one of the Casios approached him during the aftermath of MJs death specifically about songs that he had).

Dec 2010- fake songs released on Michael album.

2011- FC releases book. FC goes on WW show.

2013- FC sells first auction (compact mirror, jacket, and cd/video player).

2013- WR makes first accusation.

Mar 2019- LN released.

Nov 2019- FC sells second auction (magazines and fax letter).

? 2019- 5 Casios approach Estate and threaten to make allegations according to FT article. Would be good to know whether this was before or after LN.

2020- Go-fund-me relief fun created for Casio restaurant (raised approx $7000).

? 2020- Estate makes a £20 million payout according to FT article. Would be good to know whether this was before or after the Gofundme.

?- Casios ask for more money from the Estate.

Sept 2024- FT article where Estate is claiming extortion.

Oct 2024- Casio restaurant closed.

Mar 2025- LN2 released.

Jul 2025- the Estate names FC (and includes 9 unnamed others?) and we learn MG is representing FC.

Please add/edit this timeline especially if you know specific months, and more detail on Casio family history since MJs passing, also please correct timeline if I have made mistakes. I couldn't find the date of JS first accusation.

According to this timeline, the Gofundme happened before the Estate payout but in the following year of the Gofundme the Casios make their first threat of allegations.

Looking purely at the timeline, it looks like LN was a big trigger as well as restaurant issue.

👉 🙌👏@jasmine.uddin OOOOH this is sooo good you did a great job of trying to lay this timeline out BRAVO love it!
Yeah you found exactly what I found the GAPS of these timelines which as a legal secretary drives me bat crazy!!
HIGH 5!!

Ok now that it has been laid out like this thanks to your hard work let's get into filling these gaps so we can clearly see the
DESPERATE LUST for not just money no pennies they want MICHAEL " I WILL NEVER HAVE TO WORK AGAIN MONEY"!!

I will be going deep into my MJ Case files and find the dates on these GAPS and update this Thead!

Great Job Jasmine you got me INSPIRED sister !!! 👈🧚‍♀️💫

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