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The Discussion of MJ's Unreleased Tracks

AlwaysThere said:
If I’m recalling correctly, someone in the 2000s made that Wonka claim (Marc Schaffel, maybe?) but it was never confirmed by anyone, including Michael Prince.
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Shit mb I got my facts mixed up for a sec. WoC was intended to be a charity release, but the title can make it sound like a song for Charlie and the Chocolate Factory. I'm pretty sure the Charlie soundtrack story has been confirmed though. @GYWOOM anything you know about this?
 
SmoothGangsta said:
I'm still curious about the backstory of that one. Seems odd.
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I found this on another forum a while back, I think Korgnex posted it?
Originally intended for a children charity project, but due to the late 2003 child molestation accusations and the resulting arrest on the 18th November of that year, the track has been dropped. Michael Jackson has been working throughout 2003 on a brand-new studio album (initially intended for release sometime in 2004). At that time (2003), Dieter Wiesner was Michael Jackson's manager and he introduced young music artist Nisha Kataria, his newest protégé, to Michael. Michael Jackson invited Nisha on to his Neverland Valley Ranch to record with her some tracks in his private recording studio (contrary to claims by some individuals, Michael Jackson had such a place at his home). She stayed there for about six weeks and Michael wrote this song and they both recorded it as a duet. After Michael's dramatic moral conduct in November 2003, all plans have been put on hiatus since. At the present moment (June 2009) it is still unknown if and when the track will be used. It could possibly be included on Nisha Kataria's forthcoming debut album, set for release THIS YEAR (2009). Source: Dieter Wiesner (manager of Michael Jackson, 1996-2003)
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The last part is interesting to me though, didn't Nisha say she tried to release "World Of Candy" but she got denied by the Estate?
 
Derek1984 said:
It's like when you are starving for food and you get served something you really don't like but you eat it anyways because you're so hungry. And you try to convince yourself that it actually doesn't taste so bad.
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To be fair though, it's a really interesting song with a great hook, that is severely degraded by the quality of the recording.
 
AlwaysThere said:
I could’ve sworn they did, but I just checked the transcript from the MJ Cast and MP brought Wonka up himself to mention that MJ was gunning for that role in 2005. A soundtrack is never brought up in the conversation. My bad!
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He doesn’t state that any music was written, correct, but he does claim immediately before bringing it up that MJ and Brad did some songs for The Green Hornet, so it’s sort of inferred in a way that there might have been songs done for Charlie
 
robotchicken14 said:
He doesn’t state that any music was written, correct, but he does claim immediately before bringing it up that MJ and Brad did some songs for The Green Hornet, so it’s sort of inferred in a way that there might have been songs done for Charlie
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I don’t know if I would go that far. The interviewers asked what MJ’s plans were in 2002-03 and MP brings up The Green Hornet songs, talks about how MJ wanted to branch off into film, then mentions Wonka and another movie titled Powder. They’re completely unrelated thoughts.
 
SmoothGangsta said:
I'm still curious about the backstory of that one. Seems odd.
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I’m trying to find out, people speculate it was meant for the Charlie and Chocolate Factory film, I don’t believe this. The story goes MJ wanted to play Wonka and he made a whole soundtrack for it but they wouldn’t let him, but apparently begged for the soundtrack.

Based on that last detail alone, I don’t think they were begging for WOC 😭

But like I feel like those close to him would’ve mentioned this (Buxer/MP)

I guess you could argue they’ve never spoken about WOC either (valid)

My theory is people noticed Johnny Depp’s appearance alone had similarities to MJ and that the guy who wrote the book claiming this just wanted to add something that people noticed to try to make it seem like he actually wanted to be Wonka, I really doubt it though, but at this point who KNOWS. Bro literally has a song called World of Candy and it’s REAL.
 
Billyjeanplxiv said:
I'm just tired of things leaking in a subpar quality all the time. Why can't I enjoy the worst of MJ in hi-fi? Because essentially what we are arguing over is the scraps and leftovers that weren't supposed to see the light of day had he survived.

Had Michael lived, we would have new songs but we probably also would never hear most of what we have heard post 2009. We might have heard TMO in Bad50 or something like that. And we would probably have never heard Don't be Messin Round, Free or Im So Blue. If Bad25 would have even happened.
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Because these songs were recorded on tape and we don’t have multitracks to any of his unreleased material
 
AlwaysThere said:
I don’t know if I would go that far. The interviewers asked what MJ’s plans were in 2002-03 and MP brings up The Green Hornet songs, talks about how MJ wanted to branch off into film, then mentions Wonka and another movie titled Powder. They’re completely unrelated thoughts.
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Yeah true, I didn't initially consult the interview again and just went off my memory of what was said. Having just heard the conversation again, your right that there's no implication of music, just that he wanted the role. You never know though, Michael may have been told the Willy Wonka part was his and started putting things together, before being told Johnny Depp had it instead
 
AlwaysThere said:
I could’ve sworn they did, but I just checked the transcript from the MJ Cast and MP brought Wonka up himself to mention that MJ was gunning for that role in 2005. A soundtrack is never brought up in the conversation. My bad!
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Wait I gotta listen to ts there’s no way 😭
 
AmitLal92 said:
Turnin Me Off is interesting. Cool track but doesn’t do much for me. Probably won’t see an official release.
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They released "What a lovely way to go" on Thriller 40, and although the song is finished, it sounds terrible. I find "Turnin' Me Off," despite its incompleteness, a hundred times better, and with a few new edits, the song definitely has the potential for release.
 
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Simijacksonfan said:
They released "What a lovely way to go" on Thriller 40, and although the song is finished, it sounds terrible. I find "Turnin' Me Off," despite its incompleteness, a hundred times better, and with a few new edits, the song definitely has the potential for release.
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Lovely Way actually sounds pretty good for a demo once it's actually mixed better and added some elements. In its defense, its definitely not a finished song.

Check these 2 examples.



First one especially really lifts the song a lot

I'm baffled as to why they didn't get at least someone from the 80s session to work on it before the T40 release. If there were any left that is, because it deserves a proper production
 
Debating to even listen to it or hold off on it because seems like there's not alot of grails left from that era. Tomboy, What You Do To Me, Buffalo Bill, Groove of Midnight and Crack Kills are about the only ones, that we know about atleast.
 
sunrunner said:
Debating to even listen to it or hold off on it because seems like there's not alot of grails left from that era. Tomboy, What You Do To Me, Buffalo Bill, Groove of Midnight and Crack Kills are about the only ones, that we know about atleast.
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So I did a quick count out of curiosity. MJ worked on between 60 and 65 songs during the Bad sessions according to John Barnes. Rolling Stone pegged it at exactly 62, so let’s use that figure for the sake of argument. Of those songs:
  • 11 were released on Bad;
  • 2 were released on the 2001 reissue;
  • 3 were released on The Ultimate Collection (4 if you count the “We Are the World” demo, which is debatable)
  • 7 were released posthumously (6 on Bad 25 and 1 on XSCAPE); and
  • 3 have leaked online in full or in part (5 if you count “Groove of Midnight” and “Bumper Snippet,” which are also debatable).
We’ve only heard 26-29 of the songs from this era, meaning there are 33-36 more to hear. And we haven’t even discovered all of the titles yet.

Of course, not to pressure you! Who knows when more from that era will surface? But if you’re worried about spoiling the vault, there’s plenty more to hear from that era :)
 
AlwaysThere said:
So I did a quick count out of curiosity. MJ worked on between 60 and 65 songs during the Bad sessions according to John Barnes. Rolling Stone pegged it at exactly 62, so let’s use that figure for the sake of argument. Of those songs:
  • 11 were released on Bad;
  • 2 were released on the 2001 reissue;
  • 3 were released on The Ultimate Collection (4 if you count the “We Are the World” demo, which is debatable)
  • 7 were released posthumously (6 on Bad 25 and 1 on XSCAPE); and
  • 3 have leaked online in full or in part (5 if you count “Groove of Midnight” and “Bumper Snippet,” which are also debatable).
We’ve only heard 26-29 of the songs from this era, meaning there are 33-36 more to hear. And we haven’t even discovered all of the titles yet.

Of course, not to pressure you! Who knows when more from that era will surface? But if you’re worried about spoiling the vault, there’s plenty more to hear from that era :)
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Released songs: Bad, The Way You Make Me Feel, Speed Demon, Liberian Girl, Just Good Friends, Another Part Of Me, Man In The Mirror, I Just Can‘t Stop Loving You, Dirty Diana, Smooth Criminal, Leave Me Alone, Streetwalker (88), Fly Away, Scared Of The Moon, We Are Here To Change The World, Cheater, Don‘t Be Messin‘ Round (2012 Mix), I‘m So Blue, Abortion Papers, Free, Price Of Fame, Al Capone, Loving You, Do You Know Where Your Children Are

Alternate released recordings: Todo Mi Amor Eres Tu, Je Ne Veux Pas La Fin De Nous

Complete leaked songs: Streetwalker (Hayvenhurst), Streetwalker (Westlake), Throwin‘ Your Life Away, Turnin‘ Me Off, Chicago 1945, Someone Put Your Hand Out

Demos of released songs: Speed Demon, Smooth Criminal (incomplete), We Are The World

Recordings shortly before (83) and after Bad sessions (88): Dream Away (2010s Remix), There Must Be More To Life Than This, State of Shock, Earth Song (Demo - incomplete), The Way You Make Me Feel (Intro)

Unreleased and unleaked: Apocalypse Now, Bad Girl, What You Do To Me, Crack Kills, Eaten Alive, Changes, Groove Of Midnight, Make Or Break (Alright Now), African Groove, Tomboy, You‘re The One, A Way With Words — Pre Bad-Sessions: Buffalo Bill, Make A Wish, I‘m Peter Pan, Neverland Landing, Victory, Take My Time
 
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