"Michael", a biopic about Michael Jackson, is officially happening.

I fear it will be torn apart by critics if this is the case. And it won't go down well with fans either.
There will be a second part, where everything is tackled which was part of the Dangerous era and from then on out.
This first movie ends within the Bad era, so there is no reason for any allegation drama.

The critics can go eff themselves.
And if the fans can't switch on their brains for once regarding this (and I'm talking strictly about this allegation thingy) then they're not to be helped.
 
The film opened with the raid on Neverland, of which there are pictures of the filming online. It formed the back bone of the entire story, which went as far as Michael’s marriage to LMP in 1994. It wasn’t in chronological order. It jumped to different points in Michael’s life and how everything led to that moment. The finale was MITM from Wembley 1992. All of that was cut and reshot when the studio found out about the Cascio allegations and no longer wanted to take the risk of rocking the boat. The film now ends with MITM from the Bad tour and does not go beyond that point.
That honestly sounds like it makes the most sense.
 
On topic, I actually think that the Estate & Lionsgate have had a happy accident with the structuring of these films.

IF Michael is correctly humanised & his story of WHO he is and WHY is told, Part 2 with the controversies will become more obvious & palatable.
Relax. There won't be a second film. The estate is just a PR machine. They're not interested in the inconvenience of allegations. It doesn't fit their narrative.

Saying there will be a second film is just their way of saying "we don't wanna talk about it. Let us make our millions and come back to us a few years afterwards, if you haven't forgotten by then".
 
Relax. There won't be a second film. The estate is just a PR machine. They're not interested in the inconvenience of allegations. It doesn't fit their narrative.

Saying there will be a second film is just their way of saying "we don't wanna talk about it. Let us make our millions and come back to us a few years afterwards, if you haven't forgotten by then".
I'm perfectly relaxed thank you :ROFLMAO: . Let's see what happens.
 
The film opened with the raid on Neverland, of which there are pictures of the filming online. It formed the back bone of the entire story, which went as far as Michael’s marriage to LMP in 1994. It wasn’t in chronological order. It jumped to different points in Michael’s life and how everything led to that moment. The finale was MITM from Wembley 1992. All of that was cut and reshot when the studio found out about the Cascio allegations and no longer wanted to take the risk of rocking the boat. The film now ends with MITM from the Bad tour and does not go beyond that point.
If any of this is remotely true (which it could all be), then we shouldn't be surprised if any of the cast seem uninterested and bored during the promo tour/interview circuit. Stuff like actors signing on for a job for it to be completely re-written after the fact always come to light a few months after the release too.

I'm glad the trailer was so well received but if that story on the screen stinks of a rushed and choppy rewrite, it will reflect in the 2nd week drop off %.

There have been a few red flags for a while regarding this film, and I'd be lying if I said I hadn't considered the above when I heard that "we didn't know about a clause in the agreement" story. Branca being allusive and arrogant in his interviews doesn't do much to qwell this either.
 
The film opened with the raid on Neverland, of which there are pictures of the filming online. It formed the back bone of the entire story, which went as far as Michael’s marriage to LMP in 1994. It wasn’t in chronological order. It jumped to different points in Michael’s life and how everything led to that moment. The finale was MITM from Wembley 1992. All of that was cut and reshot when the studio found out about the Cascio allegations and no longer wanted to take the risk of rocking the boat. The film now ends with MITM from the Bad tour and does not go beyond that point.
who gives you this certainty/finality, unless you're privy to something we aren't? as they stated in the earning calls of november 6th, there's way more than a change of a second movie coming out of the first one does well
 
I'm not sure how satisfying this would be to watch as a viewer/fan though.
You're not sure???

I'll tell you. It will be a shit movie and most people will hate it.

That's how satisfying an incomplete movie will be. It will be totally contrived.

All this talk of "if the first one does well" is just them getting their excuses ready in advance.
 
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The film opened with the raid on Neverland, of which there are pictures of the filming online. It formed the back bone of the entire story, which went as far as Michael’s marriage to LMP in 1994. It wasn’t in chronological order. It jumped to different points in Michael’s life and how everything led to that moment. The finale was MITM from Wembley 1992. All of that was cut and reshot when the studio found out about the Cascio allegations and no longer wanted to take the risk of rocking the boat. The film now ends with MITM from the Bad tour and does not go beyond that point.
I believe they will show what happened in 1993. They just split the movie because it's so much info they wanted to be able represent his entire life without squeezing everything in.

I think the media seized on the info about them splitting the movie and the first part ending with the Bad era, as an opportunity to create and push their story about the settlement. But in reality they will probably do even deeper into the false accusations than they originally intended to because now they have more run time with 2 movies.

And before someone says it's just wishful thinking on my part. Let me remind you that belloni himself even said all the stuff that was allegedly cut out will be used in a 2nd film. Which contradicts his claim that they had to remove it because of the settlement. If that's the case then how can it be used in the 2nd film then? The guy is all over the place.
 
Relax. There won't be a second film. The estate is just a PR machine. They're not interested in the inconvenience of allegations. It doesn't fit their narrative.
Do you understand that right now Estate has no part in the movie promo campaign etc? All this job is and will be done by Lionsgate. The script has been agreed and that's all.

And for all forum members: please, stop spreading these rumors about reshoots because of 1993 allegations. It's all begun just because of Belloni (the same person who got canceled Chris Brown's tribute to Michael with the phrase: "Does Disney want to show a tribute by a women beater to a child molester?") and Dan Reed (you all know who he is) who allegedly read the final version of the script. No MJ real fan couldn't but the managed to get the final script? Give me a break.
 
Do you understand that right now Estate has no part in the movie promo campaign etc? All this job is and will be done by Lionsgate. The script has been agreed and that's all.

And for all forum members: please, stop spreading these rumors about reshoots because of 1993 allegations. It's all begun just because of Belloni (the same person who got canceled Chris Brown's tribute to Michael with the phrase: "Does Disney want to show a tribute by a women beater to a child molester?") and Dan Reed (you all know who he is) who allegedly read the final version of the script. No MJ real fan couldn't but the managed to get the final script? Give me a break.
I don't want to believe it but the trailer not having anything from the 90s and the talk about a second movie isn't helping.
 
some fans are so weird, like genuinely wishing for this movie to either be bad, a flop, a whitewash. unless you have been in contact with the production and know stuff the rest of us don't I don't get what prompt some of you to talk with such certainty
I haven't seen any posts wishing for this to be bad, but there are more than enough reasons to be more than concerned.

I hope this film is amazing, but I'm being realistic.

A funny example of massive rewrites and reshoots is "The Nan Movie". Nan is a very famous British comic character. As a consequence of going out with someone who had an awful taste in everything at the time, I unfortunately saw this film at the cinema. It was beyond awful, but reading up on it made it worth the trip.

The intention for the film was to be set during WW2 with very little of the current (and popular) iteration of the character. It was also to be less slapstick/catchphrase based, which is what she is known for on the show.

The studio got involved late in the day, and demanded that more "current day" Nan was included in the film, and the WW2 part was relegated to a side/backstory of the film, taking up very little screen time. The added scenes were beyond atrocious and cheap looking. Several transition shots were literally poor-on-purpose animation as they had nothing else to work with. What came out in the end was completely different to what was planned.

The reason I found this out was because during the opening and end credits, I saw no director listed. The director was so angry at what she was forced to do that she demanded her name never be associated with what she was forced to release in the end.

This is just one example of a very troubled production caused by massive changes to the actual shooting script.

So I don't think anyone wants this film to be, or do badly. I think the vast majority want this film to do well (for Michael at least) but I think that anyone that is worried has good grounds.
 
I haven't seen any posts wishing for this to be bad, but there are more than enough reasons to be more than concerned.

I hope this film is amazing, but I'm being realistic.

A funny example of massive rewrites and reshoots is "The Nan Movie". Nan is a very famous British comic character. As a consequence of going out with someone who had an awful taste in everything at the time, I unfortunately saw this film at the cinema. It was beyond awful, but reading up on it made it worth the trip.

The intention for the film was to be set during WW2 with very little of the current (and popular) iteration of the character. It was also to be less slapstick/catchphrase based, which is what she is known for on the show.

The studio got involved late in the day, and demanded that more "current day" Nan was included in the film, and the WW2 part was relegated to a side/backstory of the film, taking up very little screen time. The added scenes were beyond atrocious and cheap looking. Several transition shots were literally poor-on-purpose animation as they had nothing else to work with. What came out in the end was completely different to what was planned.

The reason I found this out was because during the opening and end credits, I saw no director listed. The director was so angry at what she was forced to do that she demanded her name never be associated with what she was forced to release in the end.

This is just one example of a very troubled production caused by massive changes to the actual shooting script.

So I don't think anyone wants this film to be, or do badly. I think the vast majority want this film to do well (for Michael at least) but I think that anyone that is worried has good grounds.
for the record, I am not saying there aren't good reasons for concern and skepticism as me myself have expressed them many times. what I don't get is people on here and other places treating their own assumptions and conjectures as verified facts. the way I watch some fans talk about this movie - having or not a second part, or what it will handle and not, how it will perform at the box office etcetera etcetera...- with absolute certainty is unwarranted. My bone of content is people treating their own guesses as confirmations. especially when it comes to the timeline of hows and whys of the reshoots
 
I believe they will show what happened in 1993. They just split the movie because it's so much info they wanted to be able represent his entire life without squeezing everything in.

I think the media seized on the info about them splitting the movie and the first part ending with the Bad era, as an opportunity to create and push their story about the settlement. But in reality they will probably do even deeper into the false accusations than they originally intended to because now they have more run time with 2 movies.

And before someone says it's just wishful thinking on my part. Let me remind you that belloni himself even said all the stuff that was allegedly cut out will be used in a 2nd film. Which contradicts his claim that they had to remove it because of the settlement. If that's the case then how can it be used in the 2nd film then? The guy is all over the place.

So are you suggesting that there is no NDA re the Chandler situation and that they actually ARE allowed to portray this case?
 
Belloni crying out they can't use any of it, it's a disaster bla bla bla - but now it's all saved for the second film. Well which one is it?
Isn't the sequel talk from the studio? Saving stuff for a sequel is a good way to explain the unsused footage from their perspective and gives them more time to figure out what to do with it.
 
You're not sure???

I'll tell you. It will be a shit movie and most people will hate it.

That's how satisfying an incomplete movie will be. It will be totally contrived.

All this talk of "if the first one does well" is just them getting their excuses ready in advance.
As this is a discussion forum, I fully respect that everyone is entitled to their opinions.

However, I would prefer to reserve my judgement till I have seen said movie(s). And that is just as valid of an opinion.
 
The film opened with the raid on Neverland, of which there are pictures of the filming online. It formed the back bone of the entire story, which went as far as Michael’s marriage to LMP in 1994. It wasn’t in chronological order. It jumped to different points in Michael’s life and how everything led to that moment. The finale was MITM from Wembley 1992. All of that was cut and reshot when the studio found out about the Cascio allegations and no longer wanted to take the risk of rocking the boat. The film now ends with MITM from the Bad tour and does not go beyond that point.
I'm very curious to know how you have come across this information. It seems you are suggesting that the JC settlement had nothing to do with the reshoots? Also, never heard that anyone was cast in LMP role. The 92 MITM part sounds very plausible based on the first photo released of Jaffar as MJ.

I assume you are referring to the pictures of the movie being shot at Neverland, as I don't think there are pictures of a Neverland raid being shot.

For those who have been following the movie closely, does the FT article and reshoot announcement align in any coherent ways?

Interesting to read the movie wasn't going to be in chronological order. I did think the MJ story is too well known for a chronological retelling to do it justice.
 
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So are you suggesting that there is no NDA re the Chandler situation and that they actually ARE allowed to portray this case?
Hypothetically speaking, if the NDA is an issue, the estate could get around it by branca and mcclain not having taking a producer credit. Branca took a credit for this first film, but if he backs off for the second film, and lets graham take all the credit then yes the second film can definitely go into the allegations. Graham and Fuqua did not sign anything with the chandlers. And from what I know Graham is a staunch believer in Michael's innocence and has wanted to get the truth out there for a long time. He did 5 years of research all on his own. Branca stated in the lastest article that came out that Graham was not who the estate originally chose for the project. They got rid of the original director and team because they were not supportive of Michael's innocence and they brought in Graham after that.
 
Isn't the sequel talk from the studio? Saving stuff for a sequel is a good way to explain the unsused footage from their perspective and gives them more time to figure out what to do with it.
Or perhaps they just aren't finished editing the second film yet.
 
Hypothetically speaking, if the NDA is an issue, the estate could get around it by branca and mcclain not having taking a producer credit. Branca took a credit for this first film, but if he backs off for the second film, and lets graham take all the credit then yes the second film can definitely go into the allegations. Graham and Fuqua did not sign anything with the chandlers. And from what I know Graham is a staunch believer in Michael's innocence and has wanted to get the truth out there for a long time. He did 5 years of research all on his own. Branca stated in the lastest article that came out that Graham was not who the estate originally chose for the project. They got rid of the original director and team because they were not supportive of Michael's innocence and they brought in Graham after that.
That is something I have been wondering about for a long time now... How trustworthy would you assess this interpretation?? Anyone from the legal field here? Would it be safe to include the whole full blown story in a movie that wasn't backed by the Estate, as in using real names, using Evan Chandler's phone call etc.? I mean all of this is publicly available, isn't it?
 
They have artistic license here. In "Iron Claw", Kevin Von Erich had another brother that had killed himself, but he was incorporated into another brother so the 1 character told the story of 2 real life people.

If the fallout of the agreement was the only factor here, they could have changed names up - and tell the story of Chandler but using the Arvizo name (incorporating elements of both cases), which would have required much less reshoots and would have kept much truer to the original vision as set out when filming began. Bohemian Rhapsody took so many liberties (at Freddie's expense) to tell a theatrical story.

Change the families name, change minor details.

Obviously, that's IF all of this is true about the agreement and derailing the original story etc. But the more I think about it, I don't believe the allegations or any legal agreement may have caused the alleged changes.
 
They have artistic license here. In "Iron Claw", Kevin Von Erich had another brother that had killed himself, but he was incorporated into another brother so the 1 character told the story of 2 real life people.

If the fallout of the agreement was the only factor here, they could have changed names up - and tell the story of Chandler but using the Arvizo name (incorporating elements of both cases), which would have required much less reshoots and would have kept much truer to the original vision as set out when filming began. Bohemian Rhapsody took so many liberties (at Freddie's expense) to tell a theatrical story.

Change the families name, change minor details.

Obviously, that's IF all of this is true about the agreement and derailing the original story etc. But the more I think about it, I don't believe the allegations or any legal agreement may have caused the alleged changes.
What else could have done it though?
 
What else could have done it though?
Senior execs balking at the idea of putting CSA at the forefront of a potential billion dollar movie at the 12th hour, the timing of the Cascio revelations. I dunno, it could literally be anything. It wouldn't be the first time a film undergoes serious rewrites and reshoots, and won't be the last (again, IF that's what has happened).

Look at Justice League, for example. Those actors signed up for Zack Snyder's vision, and in the end their names were attached to Joss Whedon due to unforeseen circumstances.
 
It wouldn't surprise me if it was studio execs changing their mind. Happens all the time.
Alien3, Blade Runner, Dune (1984) and Suicide Squad come to mind too. Especially Alien3 - Fincher wouldn't even go near it when they were making new cuts of the other films for the DVD set release. Reading up on the production of Blade Runner is absolutely wild too and almost as interesting as the film itself.
 
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