"Michael", a biopic about Michael Jackson, is officially happening.

[MJJuniorSinceMW]

I fear it will be torn apart by critics if this is the case. And it won't go down well with fans either.

There will be a second part, where everything is tackled which was part of the Dangerous era and from then on out.
This first movie ends within the Bad era, so there is no reason for any allegation drama.

The critics can go eff themselves.
And if the fans can't switch on their brains for once regarding this (and I'm talking strictly about this allegation thingy) then they're not to be helped.

 

[Beano Wild]

The film opened with the raid on Neverland, of which there are pictures of the filming online. It formed the back bone of the entire story, which went as far as Michael’s marriage to LMP in 1994. It wasn’t in chronological order. It jumped to different points in Michael’s life and how everything led to that moment. The finale was MITM from Wembley 1992. All of that was cut and reshot when the studio found out about the Cascio allegations and no longer wanted to take the risk of rocking the boat. The film now ends with MITM from the Bad tour and does not go beyond that point.

That honestly sounds like it makes the most sense.

 

[dam2040]

I fear it will be torn apart by critics if this is the case. And it won't go down well with fans either.

Critics are going to be upset regardless.

 

[R1chard]

On topic, I actually think that the Estate & Lionsgate have had a happy accident with the structuring of these films.

IF Michael is correctly humanised & his story of WHO he is and WHY is told, Part 2 with the controversies will become more obvious & palatable.

Relax. There won't be a second film. The estate is just a PR machine. They're not interested in the inconvenience of allegations. It doesn't fit their narrative.

Saying there will be a second film is just their way of saying "we don't wanna talk about it. Let us make our millions and come back to us a few years afterwards, if you haven't forgotten by then".

 

[dam2040]

Relax. There won't be a second film. The estate is just a PR machine. They're not interested in the inconvenience of allegations. It doesn't fit their narrative.

Saying there will be a second film is just their way of saying "we don't wanna talk about it. Let us make our millions and come back to us a few years afterwards, if you haven't forgotten by then".

I'm perfectly relaxed thank you . Let's see what happens.

 

[innuendo141]

The film opened with the raid on Neverland, of which there are pictures of the filming online. It formed the back bone of the entire story, which went as far as Michael’s marriage to LMP in 1994. It wasn’t in chronological order. It jumped to different points in Michael’s life and how everything led to that moment. The finale was MITM from Wembley 1992. All of that was cut and reshot when the studio found out about the Cascio allegations and no longer wanted to take the risk of rocking the boat. The film now ends with MITM from the Bad tour and does not go beyond that point.

If any of this is remotely true (which it could all be), then we shouldn't be surprised if any of the cast seem uninterested and bored during the promo tour/interview circuit. Stuff like actors signing on for a job for it to be completely re-written after the fact always come to light a few months after the release too.

I'm glad the trailer was so well received but if that story on the screen stinks of a rushed and choppy rewrite, it will reflect in the 2nd week drop off %.

There have been a few red flags for a while regarding this film, and I'd be lying if I said I hadn't considered the above when I heard that "we didn't know about a clause in the agreement" story. Branca being allusive and arrogant in his interviews doesn't do much to qwell this either.

 

[Zizzistar]

The film opened with the raid on Neverland, of which there are pictures of the filming online. It formed the back bone of the entire story, which went as far as Michael’s marriage to LMP in 1994. It wasn’t in chronological order. It jumped to different points in Michael’s life and how everything led to that moment. The finale was MITM from Wembley 1992. All of that was cut and reshot when the studio found out about the Cascio allegations and no longer wanted to take the risk of rocking the boat. The film now ends with MITM from the Bad tour and does not go beyond that point.

who gives you this certainty/finality, unless you're privy to something we aren't? as they stated in the earning calls of november 6th, there's way more than a change of a second movie coming out of the first one does well

 

[R1chard]

I'm not sure how satisfying this would be to watch as a viewer/fan though.

You're not sure???

I'll tell you. It will be a shit movie and most people will hate it.

That's how satisfying an incomplete movie will be. It will be totally contrived.

All this talk of "if the first one does well" is just them getting their excuses ready in advance.

 

[kelley]

The film opened with the raid on Neverland, of which there are pictures of the filming online. It formed the back bone of the entire story, which went as far as Michael’s marriage to LMP in 1994. It wasn’t in chronological order. It jumped to different points in Michael’s life and how everything led to that moment. The finale was MITM from Wembley 1992. All of that was cut and reshot when the studio found out about the Cascio allegations and no longer wanted to take the risk of rocking the boat. The film now ends with MITM from the Bad tour and does not go beyond that point.

I believe they will show what happened in 1993. They just split the movie because it's so much info they wanted to be able represent his entire life without squeezing everything in.

I think the media seized on the info about them splitting the movie and the first part ending with the Bad era, as an opportunity to create and push their story about the settlement. But in reality they will probably do even deeper into the false accusations than they originally intended to because now they have more run time with 2 movies.

And before someone says it's just wishful thinking on my part. Let me remind you that belloni himself even said all the stuff that was allegedly cut out will be used in a 2nd film. Which contradicts his claim that they had to remove it because of the settlement. If that's the case then how can it be used in the 2nd film then? The guy is all over the place.

 

[kelley]

That honestly sounds like it makes the most sense.

How does it make sense when Lionsgate have basically confirmed there will be a second movie? They just haven't announced it officially. But its pretty much a given. Especially after the massive response the teaser trailer got.

 

[JEMFTV]

If there is going to be a second movie it will end up so depressing...

 

[Zizzistar]

some fans are so weird, like genuinely wishing for this movie to either be bad, a flop, a whitewash. unless you have been in contact with the production and know stuff the rest of us don't I don't get what prompt some of you to talk with such certainty

 

[t1mber]

Relax. There won't be a second film. The estate is just a PR machine. They're not interested in the inconvenience of allegations. It doesn't fit their narrative.

Do you understand that right now Estate has no part in the movie promo campaign etc? All this job is and will be done by Lionsgate. The script has been agreed and that's all.

And for all forum members: please, stop spreading these rumors about reshoots because of 1993 allegations. It's all begun just because of Belloni (the same person who got canceled Chris Brown's tribute to Michael with the phrase: "Does Disney want to show a tribute by a women beater to a child molester?") and Dan Reed (you all know who he is) who allegedly read the final version of the script. No MJ real fan couldn't but the managed to get the final script? Give me a break.

 

[Galactus123]

Do you understand that right now Estate has no part in the movie promo campaign etc? All this job is and will be done by Lionsgate. The script has been agreed and that's all.

And for all forum members: please, stop spreading these rumors about reshoots because of 1993 allegations. It's all begun just because of Belloni (the same person who got canceled Chris Brown's tribute to Michael with the phrase: "Does Disney want to show a tribute by a women beater to a child molester?") and Dan Reed (you all know who he is) who allegedly read the final version of the script. No MJ real fan couldn't but the managed to get the final script? Give me a break.

I don't want to believe it but the trailer not having anything from the 90s and the talk about a second movie isn't helping.

 

[innuendo141]

some fans are so weird, like genuinely wishing for this movie to either be bad, a flop, a whitewash. unless you have been in contact with the production and know stuff the rest of us don't I don't get what prompt some of you to talk with such certainty

I haven't seen any posts wishing for this to be bad, but there are more than enough reasons to be more than concerned.

I hope this film is amazing, but I'm being realistic.

A funny example of massive rewrites and reshoots is "The Nan Movie". Nan is a very famous British comic character. As a consequence of going out with someone who had an awful taste in everything at the time, I unfortunately saw this film at the cinema. It was beyond awful, but reading up on it made it worth the trip.

The intention for the film was to be set during WW2 with very little of the current (and popular) iteration of the character. It was also to be less slapstick/catchphrase based, which is what she is known for on the show.

The studio got involved late in the day, and demanded that more "current day" Nan was included in the film, and the WW2 part was relegated to a side/backstory of the film, taking up very little screen time. The added scenes were beyond atrocious and cheap looking. Several transition shots were literally poor-on-purpose animation as they had nothing else to work with. What came out in the end was completely different to what was planned.

The reason I found this out was because during the opening and end credits, I saw no director listed. The director was so angry at what she was forced to do that she demanded her name never be associated with what she was forced to release in the end.

This is just one example of a very troubled production caused by massive changes to the actual shooting script.

So I don't think anyone wants this film to be, or do badly. I think the vast majority want this film to do well (for Michael at least) but I think that anyone that is worried has good grounds.

 

[Zizzistar]

I haven't seen any posts wishing for this to be bad, but there are more than enough reasons to be more than concerned.

I hope this film is amazing, but I'm being realistic.

A funny example of massive rewrites and reshoots is "The Nan Movie". Nan is a very famous British comic character. As a consequence of going out with someone who had an awful taste in everything at the time, I unfortunately saw this film at the cinema. It was beyond awful, but reading up on it made it worth the trip.

The intention for the film was to be set during WW2 with very little of the current (and popular) iteration of the character. It was also to be less slapstick/catchphrase based, which is what she is known for on the show.

The studio got involved late in the day, and demanded that more "current day" Nan was included in the film, and the WW2 part was relegated to a side/backstory of the film, taking up very little screen time. The added scenes were beyond atrocious and cheap looking. Several transition shots were literally poor-on-purpose animation as they had nothing else to work with. What came out in the end was completely different to what was planned.

The reason I found this out was because during the opening and end credits, I saw no director listed. The director was so angry at what she was forced to do that she demanded her name never be associated with what she was forced to release in the end.

This is just one example of a very troubled production caused by massive changes to the actual shooting script.

So I don't think anyone wants this film to be, or do badly. I think the vast majority want this film to do well (for Michael at least) but I think that anyone that is worried has good grounds.

for the record, I am not saying there aren't good reasons for concern and skepticism as me myself have expressed them many times. what I don't get is people on here and other places treating their own assumptions and conjectures as verified facts. the way I watch some fans talk about this movie - having or not a second part, or what it will handle and not, how it will perform at the box office etcetera etcetera...- with absolute certainty is unwarranted. My bone of content is people treating their own guesses as confirmations. especially when it comes to the timeline of hows and whys of the reshoots