I look at both MJ and the kids as the victims, just because they were exploited by their own parents, doesn't make them any less of a victim.
The reason I say MJ put himself and children at risk after 93 is because 93 happened. MJ and the kid were both exploited, MJ had the experience of what that exploitation looked like for him and a child. Therefore, he should have prevented those conditions occuring again to protect himself and any potential child from being similarly exploited. I'm not just talking about being alone in a bedroom environment. ( I also think the argument can be made that he did literally pick up the chandler family from off the streets).
Oh really? Michael picked them up off the street? You mean they forced themselves in off the street. June Chandler was stalking Michael as early as 1983, She showed up at restaurants he frequented with her toddler son in tow, showed up to the hospital after he was burned, forced her way to his bodyguards and handed them a letter with a picture of her then 4 year old and a letter with her phone number inviting him to call her. Fast forward 8 years, She hears MJ is at her husbands business and she quite literally ran down there with her children in tow and once again freely offered her phone number to Michael and begged him to call her son, her husband who was present also pressured Michael to call the kid who was standing right there waiting for a answer. Her husband, even went so far as to give Michael a free car. Schwartz's own employee was quoted as saying that June and her husband were the ones forcing Jordan on to him.
But Michael picked THEM up?? Okay bud. Sounds like June was hellbent on Making Michael husband number 3 and her kids new daddy. She separated from Schwartz not long after this meeting in 1992. She was a very pretty glamorous woman, so is it that surprising that Michael took the bait?
I know MJ cared deeply for children, but there are other ways to help children without sharing your bed with them. Had MJ limited his support for children to a purely professional capacity rather than engaging in personal relationships after 93, it would have helped him enormously without compromising the need to withdraw his help for children.
For example, MJs exposure could have been restricted to things such as the hospital visits where he brings toys, where hospital staff and parents are present. Even the MAW Foundation visits in Neverland were fine in the presence of MAW staff and the parents, no one could find fault in MJ spending 5 mins doing a meet and greet with sick children, in the presence of the organisations staff and parents, offering gifts/donations and receiving nothing in return.
While MJ did do the above, his idea of helping children also included gifts to the families of the boys,
Whenever I see someone emphasize BOYS when it comes to this topic. Red flags go off in my mind.
Why the fixation on the boys, and not all the other people, Men, women, girls, old people ect, that Michael gave gifts too?
He did not just give gifts to boys and their families and you KNOW this, You KNOW he gave gifts to everyone indiscriminately. So I find you to be suspect.
developing a personal relationship with the children/families, travelling with them,
He considered these families to be his friends, whats wrong with traveling with them? Are you telling me you have never or would never travel with your friends and their children? That's absurd and you know it.
and allowing them to stay with him in his home
So people shouldn't allow their friends and their children to stay at their homes? Do you hear yourself. You sound ridiculous.
all on his payroll and around staff on his payroll.
WTF does this even mean?
It's these types of behaviours that could also be misconstrued as grooming (as he had already been accused in 93) as he was engaging/benefitting in a personal relationship at the same time as all the above.
WTF is this suppose to mean, benefitting in what way?
And once again what you say is nonsense. This kinda crap is only spewed when it comes to Michael. Every other celebrity and rich person can give gifts to their friends and people in their lives and no one bats an eye.
I actually personally know a person who has become a minor celebrity and is now rich. She hands out cars to people she knows like candy. She is constantly buying people stuff, doing favors for people, giving people money. She's not a freaking groomer and neither was Michael. Both are just generous people.
And guilters will twist literally anything about mj into proof of "grooming" the word is worthless at this point, it's been so overused.
I think MJ put himself at risk by allowing himself to be put in a position to be exploited again, and he put any child at risk by risking them looking like they were being groomed. And I think it was unacceptable after 93.
He put no child in a position that looks like they were groomed. All the "grooming" evidence people bring up are either flat out lies, or its something that has been twisted and/or taken out of context. For example Gavin holding Michael's hand, was all for show during that one interview and it's highly likely that Bashir directed Gavin to do that for the sole purpose of him twisting it into something it wasn't.
I never said that no one should be left alone with a child, but I think it's a given if one has been accused of child molestation. I gave an example of how I choose to protect myself and the children I work with even though I am vetted for my job.
Like I said there have been many cases where people were falsely accused and they did everything you claim to do. You can NOT protect yourself from that accusation. If its ever made, that's it. You can't unring the bell. And thats the case for a nobody like you.
For MJ him simply being who he was and being rich made him a target. People who never even met him accused him of all sorts of the things,
Working with any vulnerable group professionally includes extra built in protective measures, had MJ stuck to only professionally helping children, those measures would have been part of the process.
Other than the arvizos, the other false accusers were the children of people Michael considered to be his friends, so why do you keep bringing this talking point?
Michael befriended June Chandler,
Also you can make the point that Michael had this "professional" relationship with Jason Francia. He never invited him over. Never had sleepovers with him. Was never alone with him. He barely knew that kid or was ever around him, outside of the few times he played video games with him when his mother brought him to work to clean Mjs apartment.
And the Francia's still falsey accused him and lied on him. So.........
MJ was found not guilty in 2005 but even he wasn't daft enough to defend what he did after the trial. He made that realisation and changed his behaviour accordingly. I just think he should have done it after experiencing 93 instead, and I think it was irresponsible of him not to.
There wasn't much to change. Outside of the Arvizos, who were only around because of the fallout of the Bashir mockumentary. There weren't any kids around except for Omer, the Cascios and his relatives.
I'm still waiting on you to explain what Michael should have done to change after 1993, that he didn't do? Should he have ended his friendship with all these families because they had kids?
You are under the impression that there was revolving door or random kids around Michael and that's simply not true. It wasn't true before 1993 and it definitely wasn't true afterwards.
The huge part of guilter narrative rests on these imaginary kids who don't exist, but were in mjs bed every night somehow. Stop feeding into their narrative.
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My opinion of course but with everything in hind sight and looking back it looks so that easy, just close Neverland
... I think we can all agree that he only had good intentions, maybe change of behaviour after '93 could have changed things but on the other hand: you never know and surely somehow someone would have stabbed him in the back, so...