'Michael should have 'just closed' the gates of Neverland after the '93 extortion attempt' Thoughts?

[Zizzistar]

If it wasn’t Murray, Michael would have sought another Doctor who was persuaded by money to agree to something that should never have been done outside a hospital setting.

Murray murdered him. full stop. whether out of negligence or because AEG/Sony placed him there to do the job, he still killed a person he had a ethical duty to protect. and he never paid for that.

 

[Blues_Away2023]

Murray murdered him. full stop. whether out of negligence or because AEG/Sony placed him there to do the job, he still killed a person he had a ethical duty to protect. and he never paid for that.

He killed him through negligence….. that’s not murder. It wasn’t intentional.

If it was , it would be murder and he would have been found guilty of murder

 

[Zizzistar]

He killed him through negligence….. that’s not murder. It wasn’t intentional.

If it was , it would be murder and he would have been found guilty of murder

i am a healthcare worker and negligence still make you liable for murder. not all murder is intentional.

this apologia of Conrad Murray is very gross to me.

 

[Blues_Away2023]

i am a healthcare worker and negligence still make you liable for murder. not all murder is intentional.

this apologia of Conrad Murray is very gross to me.

let’s agree to disagree on that one.

I’m certainly not making up excuses for Murray btw, I hate him but I’m also wise enough to acknowledge that the situation was completely fucked up and Michael knew the risks when seeking out a Doctor who would give him what he wanted.

Michael wanted Murray to administer propofol so it would allow him to sleep. Is that not the most fucked up thing you’ve heard? Yet Michael wanted it and had previously used it whilst on tour.

Something that is extremely dangerous and needs to be closely monitored in a hospital setting. Michael wanted it and disregarded the risks and it cost him his life.

Michael knew it was wrong , Murray knew it was wrong and look what happened.

 

[Zizzistar]

let’s agree to disagree on that one.

I’m certainly not making up excuses for Murray btw, I hate him but I’m also wise enough to acknowledge that the situation was completely fucked up and Michael knew the risks when seeking out a Doctor who would give him what he wanted.

Michael wanted Murray to administer propofol so it would allow him to sleep. Is that not the most fucked up thing you’ve heard? Yet Michael wanted it and had previously used it whilst on tour.

Something that is extremely dangerous and needs to be closely monitored in a hospital setting. Michael wanted it and disregarded the risks and it cost him his life.

Michael knew it was wrong , Murray knew it was wrong and look what happened.

Michael didn't simply "wanted it and picked it" like he was at the grocery store. I think I already confronted you once about the way you talk about his drugs dependancy.

it was Klein and Rowe that introduced him to propofol btw and you can't exactly blame him to be desperate enough to sleep to fall in that path.

MJ has of course accountability of his own but where is accountability for the doctors that experimented all sorts of analgesic and opioids on him like he was a guinea pig? is all of it his fault too ?

 

[PrinceLucien]

Only the nut jobs believe Michael was murdered.

It’s clear as day that Murray simply fucked up and neglected Michael during the time that he needed to be fully monitored. What he and Michael was doing was wrong and should never have been a solution to get some sleep.

If it wasn’t Murray, Michael would have sought another Doctor who was persuaded by money to agree to something that should never have been done outside a hospital setting.

Michael himself was playing Russian Roulette with his life and he knew it, but he was desperate.

Michael has been sleeping permanently for the past 16 years.

I don't know what prompted you to come onto the forum and call everyone who sides with Michael's warning as "nut jobs" but I don't think this is the kind of energy Michael wanted for his fan forum. I've had enough of the rudeness towards me and everyone else on the site from other fans. I'm simply not using this account anymore.

 

[Zizzistar]

I don't know what prompted you to come onto the forum and call everyone who sides with Michael's warning as "nut jobs" but I don't think this is the kind of energy Michael wanted for his fan forum. I've had enough of the rudeness towards me and everyone else on the site from other fans. I'm simply not using this account anymore.

yes I find that font and another kinda weird. they clearly don't like Michael that much and still are on this forum. why even call yourself a fan at this point?

 

[Blues_Away2023]

I don't know what prompted you to come onto the forum and call everyone who sides with Michael's warning as "nut jobs" but I don't think this is the kind of energy Michael wanted for his fan forum. I've had enough of the rudeness towards me and everyone else on the site from other fans. I'm simply not using this account anymore.

yes I find that font and another kinda weird. they clearly don't like Michael that much and still are on this forum. why even call yourself a fan at this point?

After the crazy stuff I hear the fans coming out with on X and seeing how his long term make up artist is treated by them, I’ve come to the conclusion that some MJ fans are quite frankly, off their nut!

Michael had flaws like the rest of us and on that faithful day of June 25, it is my opinion that Michael was equally responsible for his own death just as much as people cry that Murray is this evil murderer.

If that makes me less of a fan then so be it.

 

[Zizzistar]

After the crazy stuff I hear the fans coming out with on X and seeing how his long term make up artist is treated by them, I’ve come to the conclusion that some MJ fans are quite frankly, off their nut!

Michael had flaws like the rest of us and on that faithful day of June 25, it is my opinion that Michael was equally responsible for his own death just as much as people cry that Murray is this evil murderer.

If that makes me less of a fan then so be it.

His long term make up artist spends all of her days online sharing very personal, delicate details about his life and make it about herself being "traumatized", with no disregard of members of his family that are on the app and have to see what she does. Just on her last posts about his wigs and extentions, strangers were asking her if she could share stuff Michael would wear immediately after his fire incident in '84.

But you literally condone a healthcare professional being, at best, neglectful just because you need to feel "superior" to other fans so it doesn't actually surprise me that you would take Karen Faye's defenses. this isn't about Michael being flawed at all.

what's next, Joe Jackson was just a reasonable, normal loving parent and Michael accusing him of abuse was just him being too crazy?

 

[SmoothCriminal1984]

Yep thats what annoys me bout karen she cant keep her mouth shut

 

[Blues_Away2023]

His long term make up artist spends all of her days online sharing very personal, delicate details about his life and make it about herself being "traumatized", with no disregard of members of his family that are on the app and have to see what she does. Just on her last posts about his wigs and extentions, strangers were asking her if she could share stuff Michael would wear immediately after his fire incident in '84.

But you literally condone a healthcare professional being, at best, neglectful just because you need to feel "superior" to other fans so it doesn't actually surprise me that you would take Karen Faye's defenses. this isn't about Michael being flawed at all.

what's next, Joe Jackson was just a reasonable, normal loving parent and Michael accusing him of abuse was just him being too crazy?

Now you’re making stuff up , I need to feel superior to other MJ fans? I have no idea what you’re talking about.

As for Joe - not once have I ever praised him for being a loving parent. He wasn’t, he was a monster.