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Inthestudiowithmj said:
If that is in fact true, then it makes sense why the estate bought the rights to Chicago 1945, dream away. I would like Eaten Alive, Joy & Hot Street to be featured on it.
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Branca stated they have no plans to release either tracks following the acquisition but who knows really what is going to happen
 
wonderouzmj said:
NOBODY INCLUDING THE GENERAL PUBLIC WANTS TO KEEP BUYING THE SAME SONGS OVER AND OVER!!!! If they wanna be creative with the soundtrack....they should hire AZURA. If you havent listened.....check out these
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I would love for them to hire Azura.

Only for the estate to force Azura into doing a WBSS remix. (Seriously... how can you not like WBSS? Lmao)
 
What's really puzzling to me is that the Estate (or Spotify themselves, maybe?) have changed how MJ's music is streamed (here at least).

Since at least 2009, it's been Number Ones that has been the album of MJ's that has hovered around the top 100 albums here in Ireland. All of the top songs were streamed as part of that album. All of a sudden last year, Number Ones dropped off the face of the earth and The Essential has now replaced Number Ones on the chart. So something changed whereby the streams are counted towards The Essential and no longer Number Ones.
 
wonderouzmj said:
NOBODY INCLUDING THE GENERAL PUBLIC WANTS TO KEEP BUYING THE SAME SONGS OVER AND OVER!!!! If they wanna be creative with the soundtrack....they should hire AZURA. If you havent listened.....check out these
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They are literally releasing a remix album for the biopic and what I heard sounded amazing so yea, let‘s wait for official announcements before anyone blames the estate and Sony for this release. Fyi, this is a Sony release and not an estate project, therefore it doesn‘t make sense for blaming the estate on this one. This is a cool release tho and will definitely bought by a lot of people.
 
mjfp said:
Branca stated they have no plans to release either tracks following the acquisition but who knows really what is going to happen
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if they are actually doing another album, those songs are basically a lock imo. They were both considered for Xscape. I also think Hot Fun In The Summertime is a lock too. It’s not that I don’t believe you, I just have low expectations of them actually doing it.
 
innuendo141 said:
What's really puzzling to me is that the Estate (or Spotify themselves, maybe?) have changed how MJ's music is streamed (here at least).

Since at least 2009, it's been Number Ones that has been the album of MJ's that has hovered around the top 100 albums here in Ireland. All of the top songs were streamed as part of that album. All of a sudden last year, Number Ones dropped off the face of the earth and The Essential has now replaced Number Ones on the chart. So something changed whereby the streams are counted towards The Essential and no longer Number Ones.
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Sony
 
Inthestudiowithmj said:
if they are actually doing another album, those songs are basically a lock imo. They were both considered for Xscape. I also think Hot Fun In The Summertime is a lock too. It’s not that I don’t believe you, I just have low expectations of them actually doing it.
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They did cancel several projects close before finishing them in the past so that is totally valid
 
@mjfp do you know if the Estate still plans on releasing the remixes Brody Brown made in 2018? Sometime in 2022-2023 he said the songs he remixed would still see the light of day eventually.
 
mjfp said:
other than that as of June it was scheduled to release in 2026 and features songs from the Thriller, Bad and Dangerous sessions, no as that info is not public yet and I don‘t want to be the one who gets it out there
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I hope this comes to fruition. Only makes sense to release something big alongside the biopic.
 
mjfp said:
The DVD actually sounds a lot worse than the Vinyl will due to the audio source being the original u-matic video tapes of the short films
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Meh. It's a very high quality reproduction of the original source, as people originally heard on their TV.

mjfp said:
the CD and Vinyl are mastered from the original song master tapes. Vinyl even sounds subjectively more pleasing to the human ear than perfect digital music due to the analog chain, gentle saturation, and different mastering choices present on Vinyl
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Vinyl was never good to begin with, mainly due to the noise. But once you play it 3 times it degrades until it's even worse than streaming, lol.

mjfp said:
Vinyl is actually more popular in the mainstream than CDs
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Neither are popular formats. Again, people just aren't gonna be buying this in large quantities.

These days, "becoming a MJ fan" just means you streamed Billie Jean once.

Piek said:
What you consider 'inconvenient', is actually part of the fun for most owners of a record player.
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Oh, don't get me wrong, I'm a physical-only guy. I see the appeal. Within the last year I've listened to a cassette in my car. I've been in perhaps 6 record shops in the last 6 months.

I just mean that vinyl is inconvenient, because it's inconvenient. You can't listen while walking/driving/cycling down the road. You can't listen on a train or at the airport. You can't skip tracks. It's just - incompatible with modern life.

Piek said:
May be it's not for you, and may be I am too poetic about it, but I think there are a lot of people enjoying it in the same way.
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The much hyped "vinyl revival" isn't actually a real thing. The numbers are tiny. But the hype from record companies is immense. Probably because everything costs $50-100. Anybody paying that is being ridden hard. So I can see why Sony would want you to think everybody else is buying vinyl.

Besides, 90% of the people buying vinyl don't/can't actually play them. They're just hoping the value goes up so they can eBay it for a profit.

webslinger said:
if people cared they can find better for not too much. i bought original copies of off the wall and bad off ebay in excellent condition and neither broke the bank
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Exactly. You can find any MJ album on CD for $1.

innuendo141 said:
People that don't get it just tend to knock it though.
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I get why people would find it quaint. The first MJ album I listened to all the way through was Bad on vinyl.

I'm just saying that it's expensive and inconvenient. That's why I knock it.

That, and because this particular release is just a gimmick that won't resonate with the public because there are already better alternatives, and because people don't actually want to own music any more.
 
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It wouldn't make sense to release a best of album for the biopic Number ones ultimate Collection the essential King of Pop Album this It it enough
 
R1chard said:
Meh. It's a very high quality reproduction of the original source, as people originally heard on their TV.
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Then compare the DVD with the CD or the analogue tape.
R1chard said:
Vinyl was never good to begin with, mainly due to the noise. But once you play it 3 times it degrades until it's even worse than streaming, lol.
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Vinyl actually has very little noise to near none if you properly handle it. Vinyl also doesn‘t „degrade“ in that sense. I have multiple orignal pressings from the 60s and 70s which sound absolutely amazing, have quiet surface noise and they have been played countless times. The first differences that you are able to notice are after literally hundreds to 1000 plays and no one ever plays a record this many times. You just have to know how to handle them correctly. A PVC pipe (the same material that Vinyl uses) which is filled with water and placed underground lasts around 100 years as well, meaning a vinyl record will definitely last a lot more than that.

R1chard said:
I just mean that vinyl is inconvenient, because it's inconvenient. You can't listen while walking/driving/cycling down the road. You can't listen on a train or at the airport. You can't skip tracks. It's just - incompatible with modern life.


The much hyped "vinyl revival" isn't actually a real thing. The numbers are tiny. But the hype from record companies is immense. Probably because everything costs $50-100. Anybody paying that is being ridden hard. So I can see why Sony would want you to think everybody else is buying vinyl.
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That is the whole point, the fact that you have to sit down and enjoy the music as it is and btw, yes you can skip tracks very easily on Vinyl but who would ever do this? I personally don‘t own any streaming service for example, because I like to walk/drive/cycle without and just listen to the surroundings. Listening to music then becomes a distraction, not something you do or listen to on purpose.

Vinyl is actually the most sold physical audio format surpassing CDs. Pressing Vinyl has also gone up in terms of production cost, due to of course the rising popularity, inflation but also especially due to the fact that there‘s also only one company left who produces laquers. The current average price for a newly pressed record is at 35€ and has been raised from the average 28-30€ in 2020
 
Markus-MJ said:
It wouldn't make sense to release a best of album for the biopic Number ones ultimate Collection the essential King of Pop Album this It it enough
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Exactly. All it does is dilute the numbers and confuse people because they don't know which album to get.

mjfp said:
Then compare the DVD with the CD or the analogue tape.
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Or better yet, the actual original albums, which sound and flow better. Everybody knows the best way to listen to Man in the Mirror is just after Another Part of Me has finished.

mjfp said:
Vinyl actually has very little noise to near none if you properly handle it
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Huh? SNR is one of the worst things about vinyl! This stuff is well documented.

mjfp said:
Vinyl also doesn‘t „degrade“ in that sense
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You're probably not going to notice it from one listen to the next, but if you compare a new copy to a well-used one, it's startling.

mjfp said:
That is the whole point, the fact that you have to sit down and enjoy the music as it is and btw, yes you can skip tracks very easily on Vinyl but who would ever do this? I personally don‘t own any streaming service for example, because I like to walk/drive/cycle without and just listen to the surroundings. Listening to music then becomes a distraction, not something you do or listen to on purpose.
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Oh, I'm well aware of sitting down and listening on purpose. There's nothing better than turning off the lights and listening to an album in the dark from start to finish. I never stream either. Right now I'm sitting in a room with approx $10k of audio equipment, I've been reading What Hifi magazine for over 30 years.

mjfp said:
Vinyl is actually the most sold physical audio format surpassing CDs.
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They're pretty even. In the UK, CDs outsold vinyl by unit count in 2024. Again, labels like them because the profits are much higher, so they emphasise their importance.

mjfp said:
The current average price for a newly pressed record is at 35€
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All you just did was explain how unsustainable the vinyl market is.

And there we were wondering whether the €12 CD was too expensive, lol.
 
mjfp said:
... Fyi, this is a Sony release and not an estate project ...
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What does that even mean?

If the estate releases music it's gotta be through sony.
If sony releases MJ music, it can't do it without the estate.
It goes hand in hand. It's never either/or.
It's always the estate's project, it's always put together by/distributed by sony/epic/legacy.
 
MJJuniorSinceMW said:
What does that even mean?

If the estate releases music it's gotta be through sony.
If sony releases MJ music, it can't do it without the estate.
It goes hand in hand. It's never either/or.
It's always the estate's project, it's always put together by/distributed by sony/epic/legacy.
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mijac music publishing ( MJ estate 51%),
Sony ( 49%)!!, last word MJ estate.
 
AlwaysThere said:
I think I’ve asked this before… but do you like anything? I feel like every time you comment, it’s to say how much this or that sucks.
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Me?

Yeah, plenty. I like the original albums. I like the Motown stuff. I like the soundtrack album to the MJ musical. I like the 90s remixes. I like live concert recordings. I like the Mofi SACDs. I like my Bad t-shirt. I like the poll section of this website. I like playing MJ songs on my guitar. I like teaching people the Thriller dance. I like editing MJ articles on Wikipedia. Why do you ask?

All I'm saying is that paying £35 for a few songs is silly, regardless of how much Sony wants you to think it's the new normal.
 
MJJuniorSinceMW said:
What does that even mean?

If the estate releases music it's gotta be through sony.
If sony releases MJ music, it can't do it without the estate.
It goes hand in hand. It's never either/or.
It's always the estate's project, it's always put together by/distributed by sony/epic/legacy.
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As this is a previously issued title, Sony decided to make a reissue of this album on Vinyl. Therefore, the Estate didn‘t actually do anything but gave its approval. Sony concepted and scheduled the whole release
 
It would also be a good opportunity to publish a blue ray of all short films on the occasion of the biopic, which of course is no longer feasible to ask too much
 
Markus-MJ said:
It would also be a good opportunity to publish a blue ray of all short films on the occasion of the biopic, which of course is no longer feasible to ask too much
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Non fans wouldn‘t buy that release as they‘re online for free to watch and everything leads more towards streaming nowadays
 
R1chard said:
Me?

Yeah, plenty. I like the original albums. I like the Motown stuff. I like the soundtrack album to the MJ musical. I like the 90s remixes. I like live concert recordings. I like the Mofi SACDs. I like my Bad t-shirt. I like the poll section of this website. I like playing MJ songs on my guitar. I like teaching people the Thriller dance. I like editing MJ articles on Wikipedia. Why do you ask?

All I'm saying is that paying £35 for a few songs is silly, regardless of how much Sony wants you to think it's the new normal.
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But it is the new normal, regardless of how much you want to think it's not though!

Judging by my colleagues kids who are now mostly in their teens approaching 18, a lot of them have started collecting vinyl and their first port of call for any artist seems to be the greatest hits, of which there is currently none for MJ. So, now that I think of it Number Ones makes the most sense to release to the "casual" market. If they had opted for the Essential, it would have to get the box-set treatment as it would be 4 or 5 discs.

I'm agreeing with you that the price for an album like Number Ones is silly (I started collecting vinyl in 2015 and the average price for a new single LP online was €17-€20!) but it absolutely makes sense for an MJ compilation album to be available. I can see it's €26, so this I'll be getting it.

"I like my Bad T-shirt" gave me a laugh though :ROFLMAO:

Edit - Just remembered that it's only the US edition of Number Ones that's available on Spotify. This needs to be addressed. Lady Gaga has 2 versions of several albums on Spotify where you can select which version to listen to.
 
R1chard said:
[...] But once you play it 3 times it degrades [...]
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And yet still eminently playable for years to come. Years and years.

R1chard said:
[...] You can't skip tracks. It's just - incompatible with modern life.
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Yeah, you can.

mjfp said:
[...] and btw, yes you can skip tracks very easily on Vinyl but who would ever do this? [...]
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er, that would be me :ROFLMAO:

R1chard said:
All I'm saying is that paying £35 for a few songs is silly, regardless of how much Sony wants you to think it's the new normal.
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Happily, Number Ones on vinyl is a bit cheaper than that. UK vinyl outlets are listing it as £25.99 for the black vinyl and £28.99/£29.99 for the red vinyl. Seems decent for a double album.

innuendo141 said:
But it is the new normal, regardless of how much you want to think it's not though!

Judging by my colleagues kids who are now mostly in their teens approaching 18, a lot of them have started collecting vinyl and their first port of call for any artist seems to be the greatest hits, of which there is currently none for MJ. [...]
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(y)

There's been quite a few articles in the UK (legacy) media over recent years talking about exactly this. Younger people turning to physical media including vinyl. I'm not imagining the younger people I see in HMV buying albums on vinyl. No-one is claiming that vinyl (or CD) sales figures can compete with streaming figures. Maybe physical media will be dead and done in two years time but it definitely has been a thing in recent years.
 
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