The Discussion of MJ's Unreleased Tracks

The date (01/28) is attributed to the cassette copy. Someone must have made this afterwards from 2track reels.
It is a cassette of "edited roughs". From what I can tell, they probably did edits on the multitracks and did rough mixes of that to cassette.

It was more common in those days (the 1980s) to copy a rough mix onto a cassette for reference (later on DAT)... Not much point to use a 2-track 1/4-inch or 1/2-inch reel (analog or digital), unless it was intended as a final mixdown or master.

In the 70s, they tended to copy rough mixes onto 2-track tape, but in the 80s cassettes were more common. And a far cheaper and convenient way to store rough mixes and listen.
 
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from the new homepage:
Why doesn’t the Estate release all the songs that the fans have leaked? And why doesn’t the Estate just release everything in the vault?
Eventually the Estate hopes more music will be released but there is nothing in the vaults that is finished and ready for release. As has been stated previously, the Estate won’t release everything in the vaults based on the choices Michael himself made during his life and that includes songs that fans have found and leaked.
There are appropriate uses for demos, such as including them on anniversary album releases, most recently done with the Thriller 40 anniversary album, which were varied in terms of completion. But if we released demos by themselves, they would not show Michael in his best light or be representative of the quality of Michael’s recordings, and would not be commercially successful because they are, by definition, unfinished. While releasing unfinished work may be appreciated by the fans, it would not be the way to introduce Michael to new fans who should hear Michael at his best. That is certainly how Michael decided what to release and we believe that is what he would want us to do. And even among the fans, we see disagreement on whether unreleased material should be finished to make them commercially viable or not.
Michael had several philosophies that we use as guides. One of those is, “The quality goes in before the name goes on.” Just because something exists doesn’t mean it should be made public – and sharing with the fans is the same as making it public.
Just because something has been leaked by a fan doesn’t mean that it is something which should have an official release. The fact that it is leaked means that Michael didn’t intend for it to be shared by whomever he may have trusted with it in the first place.
 
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I kinda do have to disagree with their approach here. While I do appreciate the sentiment and all, I feel that showing off some demos is good for allowing us to understand his creative process a bit better. There's some genuinely interesting things in his vault that can at least shine a light on how he operated, though I do think that not everything should be released.
 
I kinda do have to disagree with their approach here. While I do appreciate the sentiment and all, I feel that showing off some demos is good for allowing us to understand his creative process a bit better. There's some genuinely interesting things in his vault that can at least shine a light on how he operated, though I do think that not everything should be released.
And they even contradict themselves😭

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But if we released demos by themselves, they would not show Michael in his best light or be representative of the quality of Michael’s recordings, and would not be commercially successful because they are, by definition, unfinished. While releasing unfinished work may be appreciated by the fans, it would not be the way to introduce Michael to new fans who should hear Michael at his best.
There's a lot in the FAQ that contradicts things the Estate themselves have done in the past so it could end up not being the case in the far future, but this excerpt pretty much confirms that the release of a collection featuring demos like many would want is never going to happen, and to not expect such. They're already dismissing Michael's unfinished work unless it's something they can fiddle with first, but they also acknowledge that said release would attract a niche part of the community which they have no interest in appeasing to, practically every project they've done was all about attracting new fans. They don't really have any other goal. Really our only chance of ever hearing songs like "Dark Lady", "Rocker", "Saturday Woman", or anything that's unfit for a posthumous album/anniversary release is if they leak online.
 
There's a lot in the FAQ that contradicts things the Estate themselves have done in the past so it could end up not being the case in the far future, but this excerpt pretty much confirms that the release of a collection featuring demos like many would want is never going to happen, and to not expect such. They're already dismissing Michael's unfinished work unless it's something they can fiddle with first, but they also acknowledge that said release would attract a niche part of the community which they have no interest in appeasing to, practically every project they've done was all about attracting new fans. They don't really have any other goal. Really our only chance of ever hearing songs like "Dark Lady", "Rocker", "Saturday Woman", or anything that's unfit for a posthumous album/anniversary release is if they leak online.
I mean, they did say that demos are fit for anniversary reissues, but not worth for standalone albums or singles. But yes, I can‘t really imagine them choosing very vocally uncomplete demos to release
 
How many vocal takes of Burn This Disco Out are there? Did he demo it a lot? I always loved the way he sang in his upper and lower registers in the verses.
 
I mean, they did say that demos are fit for anniversary reissues, but not worth for standalone albums or singles. But yes, I can‘t really imagine them choosing very vocally uncomplete demos to release
If it has enough vocals, and it can be tied to an album like "Turning Me Off", "Seven Digits", "Changes", "Make Or Break", then yes, good chance it'll be put out eventually. But if it's a song like "Brad Loop" then our only way of hearing it will be for it to end up in the hands of some emotionally unstable teenager on Discord lol
 
If it has enough vocals, and it can be tied to an album like "Turning Me Off", "Seven Digits", "Changes", "Make Or Break", then yes, good chance it'll be put out eventually. But if it's a song like "Brad Loop" then our only way of hearing it will be for it to end up in the hands of some emotionally unstable teenager on Discord lol
Changes doesn't seem releasable in comparison to the others, though... (sick-ass choir runs be damned)
 
from the new homepage:

"there is nothing in the vaults that is finished and ready for release"
It Don't Matter To Me
Chicago 1945
Dream Away
Hot Street
Neverland
Tomboy
What You Do To Me
Crack Kills
TYLA
Serious Effect
Work That Body
She Got It (to an extent)
IYDLM
You Were There
Joy
GYWOOM
Gloucestershire

there are prolly some I'm missing ffs
I purposely did not include WOC also
 
"there is nothing in the vaults that is finished and ready for release"
It Don't Matter To Me
Chicago 1945
Dream Away
Hot Street
Neverland
Tomboy
What You Do To Me
Crack Kills
TYLA
Serious Effect
Work That Body
She Got It (to an extent)
IYDLM
You Were There
Joy
GYWOOM
Gloucestershire

there are prolly some I'm missing ffs
yeah now that you point that out, that means the Estate is just blatantly lying for no reason other than to justify their own laziness.

plus there's also the tracks MJ registered into the Library of Congress. We still know nothing of how songs like "Holiday Inn" and "Why Can't I Be" sound, to say nothing of the tracks that were later given to other artists ("Centipede" and "Alright Now").

and since mjfp has been going on about a "third posthumous album," that means they're gonna immediately contradict themselves within a matter of months.
 
yeah now that you point that out, that means the Estate is just blatantly lying for no reason other than to justify their own laziness.

plus there's also the tracks MJ registered into the Library of Congress. We still know nothing of how songs like "Holiday Inn" and "Why Can't I Be" sound, to say nothing of the tracks that were later given to other artists ("Centipede" and "Alright Now").
Yea, almost forgot about those. Like how many of the 1993 disposition songs named are finished? because iirc, most if not all of the ones mentioned that have leaked or been released are all done.

Not to mention songs such as Boots Groove, Nymphette Lover, A Pretty Face Is, Seven Digits, Make A Wish, etc. All songs with conflicting reports of being completed.

Oh and I forgot about Buffalo Bill too
 
"there is nothing in the vaults that is finished and ready for release"
It Don't Matter To Me
Chicago 1945
Dream Away
Hot Street
Neverland
Tomboy
What You Do To Me
Crack Kills
TYLA
Serious Effect
Work That Body
She Got It (to an extent)
IYDLM
You Were There
Joy
GYWOOM
Gloucestershire

there are prolly some I'm missing ffs
I purposely did not include WOC also
If we're being honest, they're telling the truth. Plus that would be a horrible tracklist if they released it LOL
 
"there is nothing in the vaults that is finished and ready for release"
It Don't Matter To Me
Chicago 1945
Dream Away
Hot Street
Neverland
Tomboy
What You Do To Me
Crack Kills
TYLA
Serious Effect
Work That Body
She Got It (to an extent)
IYDLM
You Were There
Joy
GYWOOM
Gloucestershire

there are prolly some I'm missing ffs
I purposely did not include WOC also
The only actual finished songs afaik are Hot Fun, Hot Street, Weight Off Me, If You Don't Love Me, Chicago 1945, Dream Away (possibly, the leaked one clearly is incomplete), I Have This Dream, Joy (possibly), It Don't Matter To Me (possibly)
 
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The only actual finished songs afaik are Hot Fun, Hot Street, Weight Off Me, If You Don't Love Me, Chicago 1945, Dream Away (possibly, the leaked one clearly is incomplete), I Have This Dream, Joy (possibly), It Don't Matter To Me (possibly)
Hot Fun only has a verse and chorus, Hot Street, Weight, Chicago 1945, IYDLM, and Dream Away leaked (though does that really matter) I Have This Dream is a scratch vocal, and literally no one has Joy.
 
If we're being honest, they're telling the truth. Plus that would be a horrible tracklist if they released it LOL
Yeah I believe their word when they say there's not a lot of releasable content left, not in terms of it all being unfinished (I believe there's much more than what meets the eye when it comes to songs that MJ recorded) but clearly the Estate wants a song to stand a chance at being a commercial success, and most of the material in the vault just isn't interesting enough to attract the general audience as is. The general audience isn't gonna be interested in hearing some demo with Michael mumbling non-sense lyrics over a looped beat for 6 minutes, that's something only the fans are gonna bother listening. You can already see how much demo releases tend to be ignored when you compare their streaming numbers. I get where the Estate is coming from in this case.
 
Yeah I believe their word when they say there's not a lot of releasable content left, not in terms of it all being unfinished (I believe there's much more than what meets the eye when it comes to songs that MJ recorded) but clearly the Estate wants a song to stand a chance at being a commercial success, and most of the material in the vault just isn't interesting enough to attract the general audience as is. The general audience isn't gonna be interested in hearing some demo with Michael mumbling non-sense lyrics over a looped beat for 6 minutes, that's something only the fans are gonna bother listening. You can already see how much demo releases tend to be ignored when you compare their streaming numbers. I get where the Estate is coming from in this case.
I’m of two minds.

On the one hand, I understand wanting the music to be commercially successful. That was MJ’s mantra, and I doubt he’d be happy to know his estate was throwing anything and everything at the wall irrespective of its performance. Plus, not everything deserves a release honestly, if only for optics reasons. Can you imagine “World of Candy” being released today, given the climate?

But on the other, there are ways to put out music with lesser expectations. I’ve been saying for years, they should release a streaming-only compilation similar to The Ultimate Collection that has demos, early versions, unfinished songs, and other material that only the hardcore fans have interest in. Low budget, low promo, high reward.

Plus (unrelated to music), I really think they’re hurting themselves every time they say “remastering the short films is expensive.” Such a cheap, cop-out response. If they don’t have the original film reels, just say that—that is the only justifiable reason for not doing it.

I don’t hate the estate as much as most people do and do think some things are blown out of proportion by the fan community, but Branca really does make it harder on himself in many situations. You can’t please everybody, but you CAN piss off everybody.
 
The only actual finished songs afaik are Hot Fun, Hot Street, Weight Off Me, If You Don't Love Me, Chicago 1945, Dream Away (possibly, the leaked one clearly is incomplete), I Have This Dream, Joy (possibly), It Don't Matter To Me (possibly)
Hot Fun only has chorus
 
Hot Fun only has a verse and chorus, Hot Street, Weight, Chicago 1945, IYDLM, and Dream Away leaked (though does that really matter) I Have This Dream is a scratch vocal, and literally no one has Joy.
Pretty sure Joy is quietly going ‘round in private circles
 
The only actual finished songs afaik are Hot Fun, Hot Street, Weight Off Me, If You Don't Love Me, Chicago 1945, Dream Away (possibly, the leaked one clearly is incomplete), I Have This Dream, Joy (possibly), It Don't Matter To Me (possibly)
All the ones I mentioned have been confirmed to be vocally done or their leaks are done
 
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