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The Cascio Tracks Have Been REMOVED!!!

kreen said:
It still means a large number of people -- Eddie Cascio and his entire family, including his parents, since they all lived in the same house and would have known if MJ was NOT spending hours in the basement studio recording songs;James Porte and I would assume his girlfriend and maybe parents; Stuart Bradley and his significant other; Jason Malachi and his significant other -- all of those people who didn't know each other previously and had competing career paths and professional reputations to protect, all of those people had to knowlingly take part in a major-scale, highly-visible-if-found-out fraud that wouldn't last 2 seconds if any single out of them spilled the beans, and this, in a social-media-saturated world where everything everybody does ends up on social media at some point.

If the whole thing is a fraud and a hoax, it's jaw-dropping that it worked. There are no other example of anything on this scale, on such a high-profile release, except the case of Milli Vanilli.
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This is so much bigger than Milli Vanilli. And yeah, it worked 12 years for them. About all the people involved, yes you are right - I don't know about their parents and "significant others" - I don't think they talked about such high scale fraud to girlfriends and especially to traditional Italian parents, but for sure Frank Cascio knew about it and was involved.

Michael spent time in their studio. That is not questionable at all. He recorded his vocals for WBSS 2008 and did some synths and production to For All Time. Maybe he did something else too, but he definitely did not record full lead and bg vocals and ad-libs for 12 songs. It's just not how MJ worked. It never was.
 
rolerprod said:
never heard that before...so you're saying eddie copyrighted those tracks two days after Michaels death or was the estate already involved at that point with the tracks?

i always assumed that jason was recording those tracks before the same time Michael died so they were mostly finished anyways and that it was meant either for jason or as a mock demo to present to Michael and when he died they came up with the con
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Jason was hired in early 2010 to record his vocals. I think in February.
 
OnirMJ said:
… he definitely did not record full lead and bg vocals and ad-libs for 12 songs. It's just not how MJ worked. It never was.
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Setting aside the vocals themselves, this is the biggest red flag to me. In the years before his passing, MJ spent anywhere from a few months to several years working on music with Brad Buxer, Michael Prince, will.i.am, Neff-U, Akon, and RedOne, which resulted in maybe a handful of finished songs (“finished” meaning full vocals). But somehow the crisp New Jersey air gave MJ the confidence and comfort to finish a dozen????
 
StellaJackson said:
June 27th Mj Songbook contains all the songs.
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Oh okay, all 12? I thought I had read somewhere that only a few were done and registered at that time. Was years ago though so. Maybe I'm thinking of another registration? Or I'm just totally misremembering lol.
 
jmoses said:
I had a similar evolution. It seemed too crazy a conspiracy at first, but something did feel off about those 3. Once I heard all 12 back to back I came around.

It's nothing to be ashamed of though. We were all tricked to some degree. I remember sitting in the dark listening to Carry On's "one more time, close your eyes, I'm always here to stay" line and so wanting it to be real to have one last moment with my idol. It was a real rollercoaster.

Don't feel bad. We're here now and time makes things clearer. We got through.

Just be glad you didn't spend 5Mil on these tracks :)
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I don't feel bad at all because I wanted to mount a reasoned defence of the songs, as it was never enough to say "well of course it's not MJ, don't you have ears"? It was always, if not the real deal, at the very least a convincing impersonation, as evidenced by the songs' very presence on the CD: had the voice on the recordings sounded like John Lennon or Bob Dylan, they never would have made it on the album in the first place.

But as I said, the three new developments I've mentioned above have made my previous position much more untenable than it was 10 years ago.
 
SmoothGangsta said:
Oh okay, all 12? I thought I had read somewhere that only a few were done and registered at that time. Was years ago though so. Maybe I'm thinking of another registration? Or I'm just totally misremembering lol.
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I am just so very happy the songs are now removed and we do no longer have to fear if any Cascio song will ever be released on future releases.
 
It defies logic that those tracks were released in the first place. It defies logic people thought it was him. It took about two seconds of me listening to that awful “Breaking News” to realize this was a piss-poor imitator. Before the album leaked, snippets of songs like Monster came out, and all I heard was the same whiny voice with a bit of “On The Line” ad-libs thrown in. On Breaking News, you can hear a section of History spliced into the lines.

There were 12 Cascio tracks that eventually made their way online, and not one song features any original, authentic MJ vocals. You would think that with a dozen songs, if they were legit, there would be at least a small segment here or there where people could say “Oh yeah, that’s definitely him”. But the only time those moments existed were when the vocals were lifted from other tracks. They didn’t even bother to use unreleased vocals, just straight up jacked vocals from his released catalog.

Like I said, my mind is still fried anyone believed any of those tracks were actually MJ. And they had zero proof. No pics, no videos, no outtakes, no nothing. The vocals sucked, the music sucked… they sounded like off-brand imitators, like Aldi got into the music business. “Mike El Jackston”.

The time to remove those terrible tracks was as soon as they heard them. They should have laughed Cascio and Porte out of their office and sued them if they tried to release those amateur hack jobs as Michael Jackson tracks. I’m still convinced it’s Jason Malachi, but whoever it is, it ain’t Michael Jackson.

Better late than never I guess.
 
I was in doubt at first. I was so sure The Estate and SONY would never release fake vocals. - Not a year after MJ died... It seemed absolutely ridicoulus and stupid.

But after many many debates, vocal analysing videos etc. I had to admit... this simply just was not MJ... But I must admit I could not comprehend it. It was unbelievable. Back then I still though there was 100's of songs in the vault. - Rumours back then of the harddrive La Toya took with 1000 songs and many others. - So why? Why release fake songs if there was so many to choose from in the vault? made no sense. - still doesn't.

I still think The Estate got tricked by people they knew were friends of MJ. I think The Estate trusted them and therefor overheard all warnings.

But finally this can be left behind u and we can now focus on future projects and give The Estate a new chance. I think they will do their best to try to win the fans confidence again. So T40 could be a great release - and the next all new album will hopefully be something like Xscape with also the demos released as MJ left them. That's a win-win and everyone will be happy.
 
I'm reading some commets about how "impossible" it would be to fake those songs because too many people would have been involved...

Umm, not necessarily. All you need is a vocalist and a guy pushing the buttons. You record everything and you claim you have MJ songs which you manage to sell to incompetent businessmen in charge of MJ's legacy. You convince them it's MJ thanks to the fact that MJ as a matter of fact had spent some time with the family and had recorded some vocals for WBSS in their studio.

The secret could have been shared between Eddie Cascio and Jason Malachi (and maybe two-three other people who added real MJ's vocals from other songs here and there, although they could have done that on the demos already sold to SONY Music by Cascio) and that's it. Completely doable. Those who hold the secret know there's no way to press charges against them as long as they shut up, because they know nobody can prove it's not MJ as he's not here to confirm. So actually, it's even less risky than the Milli Vanilli case.

So yes, it all comes down to our trained ears and admitting that some fans just probably like the Estate had been duped. And being duped is embarrassing, so embarrassing that the Estate even though decided to remove the tracks still won't admit publicly that they're fake.

This being said I'm glad the Estate removed those tracks and finally realized what they should have done long ago when the album Michael was released.
 
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Fuzball said:
https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1546974086378700801
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There's a bit of me that wanted to have a whinge and say, 'come on, Sony. Pick up the pace!' because the full CD is still being listed on the HMV website. But I shouldn't complain. It's finally happening. I've been so hacked off about this for SO long and now it's finally happening. So I need to celebrate that. For Sony to confirm that, it feels epic.

We're Almost There!
 
AlwaysThere said:
All I’m gonna say is, the fact that a certain biographer has put more effort into applauding this than he ever did challenging Leaving Neverland or the ensuing lawsuits says a lot about how bad his priorities are.

Anyway, good news I suppose.
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You got blasted for this, but were absolutely spot on. He is even praising articles about the songs that include, and promote Leaving Neverland garbage. I mean, wtf?!
 
BUMPER SNIPPET said:
The secret could have been shared between Eddie Cascio and Jason Malachi (and maybe two-three other people who added real MJ's vocals from other songs here and there, although they could have done that on the demos already sold to SONY Music by Cascio) and that's it.
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Eddie Cascio lived at home with his large Italian-American family when MJ stayed with them for a few weeks and supposedly recorded all 12 songs. So Cascio’s parents, brothers and sisters all know what MJ did or didn’t do when he was in their own home: it’s not like they wouldn’t have heard if MJ was singing his heart out for 3 weeks right there behind their basement door.

There’s also everybody involved’s girlfriends, some of whom must have broken up with their BF since: if they have any reason to think they never were actually in a studio with MJ for weeks, or that they mysteriously disappeared for a few days to record mysterious songs they never talked about later, they would have since spilled the beans on Facebook or something.
 
kreen said:
Eddie Cascio lived at home with his large Italian-American family when MJ stayed with them for a few weeks and supposedly recorded all 12 songs. So Cascio’s parents, brothers and sisters all know what MJ did or didn’t do when he was in their own home: it’s not like they wouldn’t have heard if MJ was singing his heart out for 3 weeks right there behind their basement door.

There’s also everybody involved’s girlfriends, some of whom must have broken up with their BF since: if they have any reason to think they never were actually in a studio with MJ for weeks, or that they mysteriously disappeared for a few days to record mysterious songs they never talked about later, they would have since spilled the beans on Facebook or something.
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It doesn't mean they were always together at the same time in the house, let alone the basement. Eddie could have lied his family too. He could have said MJ recorded some songs in the basement. Who could deny it if they were not there during that supposed recording? They could have lied their girlfriends too. Where one does stop with lies? The way I see it, all it takes is two people to share the secret: the vocalist and the one who recorded the vocalist. All the rest is up to the two responsible ones who they're gonna tell the truth or not.
 
Cascio family were no different from the Chandler family. They were yet another family who took advantage of Michael and tried to make money by using his name.
 
^ There's a pretty big difference between the Cascio's and the Chandlers. The Cascio's were in Michael's life until he passed, the Chandlers veered his career, ruined his image, and brought forth all that lead to his eventual death.
 
SeriousEffect. said:
One thing to consider, if Sony loses in court it is possible Spotify and other streaming services could then sue Sony and request a return of any royalties paid due to streams of the songs in question.
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I can answer that: absolutely no. Royalties go to a collecting society that manages rights by whatever right holder(s). Since it doesn't matter for whom it manages the rights, there's no legal basis whatsoever for the streaming service to demand royalties back. If there was a legal issue with the rights registration/administration, that's solely between the current rights owner and whoever (another artist / legal entity) would contest these rights.
 
Why do people keep saying James Porte singing not Jason Malachi? James Porte is in production, not vocalist. IDK if I'm missing something or it's others..
 
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