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The Discussion of MJ's Unreleased Tracks

NetflexKing said:
So you can confirm that both Adore You Snippets and Water are legit?
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they are. It sounds as if the snippets are not seminar recordings, but still not of the best quality. I doubt that the leaker has these songs in their entirety. (I guess, Changes, Innocent Man and Remember What i Told you comes from the same source.) I know them all - I heard them once in person and in confidence, not at a public event. All of them would have made great songs, and the beats of Adore You and Innocent Man are wonderfully mature, with only Michael's lead vocals missing. (I don't think they should be leaked. As exciting as the whole thing is, the damage to MJ's legacy outweighs it.)
 
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ueli84 said:
they are. It sounds as if the snippets are not seminar recordings, but still not of the best quality. I doubt that the leaker has these songs in their entirety. I know them all - I heard them once in person and in confidence, not at a public event, played on high-quality speakers only to me. (I don't think they should be leaked. As exciting as the whole thing is, the damage to MJ's legacy outweighs it.)
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The leaker said that they record the songs with their phone and convert it to mono. So he might have the full CDQ.
Also can you describe a little bit the structure of the songs you've heard? That will give us a very helpful insight on the tracks.
 
ueli84 said:
I was at two seminars with Brad Buxer and Michael Prince as a guest at Dierks Studio in Stommeln, near cologne. At least druing the seminar organized by Brice Najar, they played Adore You (but not the full thing, they did fade it out), Water and Michaels Affirmation. Dark Lady was to my knowledge never ever played at a seminar. The remaining snippet leaks are not from seminars either. Changes or Innocent Man (doesn't contain many additional vocals, but has a cool guitar solo at the end) have never been played anywhere, or even mentioned.
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Do you remember the context for them playing "Water" and "Michael's Affirmation"? I heard they played GYWOOM at the same event per the audience's request, but those 2 are random picks for sure lol.

Did they give any backstory on "Water"? Like the year it was created? I read in a YT comment by @will1753 (he went to that seminar) and he said it was made with the sole purpose of trying out Melodyne. Is that authentic?
 
ChanceToDance said:
What's the context for them playing "Water" and "Michael's Affirmation"? I heard they played GYWOOM at the same event per the audience's request, but those 2 are random picks for sure lol.

Did they give any backstory on "Water"? Like the year it was created? I read in a YT comment by @will1753 (he went to that seminar) and he said it was made with the sole purpose of trying out Melodyne. Is that authentic?
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I don't remember exactly what they said about it. In any case, Water was written after Invincible. They played it because it was written and recorded with Brad Buxer (and possibly Michael Prince). I wasn't convinced by the unfinished song. But I was convinced by Adore You. And Michael's Affirmation was also written over a Brad Buxer/MJ instrumental when Roy from Siegfried and Roy was bitten by a tiger. (the instrumental was created for Invincible and was called "Photographs")

Incidentally, the lyrics from Michael's Affirmation are based on the poem he had already recorded for Akio Morita in the late 1980s (I think I recognized the words “every day, in every way, I'm feeling better and better”).
 
ueli84 said:
All of them would have made great songs, and the beats of Adore You and Innocent Man are wonderfully mature, with only Michael's lead vocals missing.
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is the entire Innocent Man overall the same as the leaked snippet? Does the track have any climax changes?

ueli84 said:
the damage to MJ's legacy outweighs it
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Damage has already been done by the Estate.
 
ueli84 said:
I don't remember exactly what they said about it. In any case, Water was written after Invincible. They played it because it was written and recorded with Brad Buxer (and possibly Michael Prince). I wasn't convinced by the unfinished song. But I was convinced by Adore You. And Michael's Affirmation was also written over a Brad Buxer/MJ instrumental when Roy from Siegfried and Roy was bitten by a tiger. (the instrumental was created for Invincible and was called "Photographs")
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This is interesting especially considering the copyright registration states Neff-U as the sole producer, so if it started out as a Brad Buxer song that's certainly new info.

Thanks for answering! What a joy it must've been to be at that event.
 
I wonder if "Water" and "H20" started being worked on simultaneously, hence the similar title themes. We don't have the year of creation for "Water" (not officially anyways) besides that it was made after 2006, and for Dark Lady/H20 that it was made in 2008 so there's a certain possibility here depending on the year "Water" was produced.
 
AlwaysThere said:
That’s definitely real. A low quality seminar recording has been going around for a few years now, seems to be sourced from that.
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those were apparently old recordings from a listening party at michael prince's home, not seminar recordings
 
AlwaysThere said:
Somebody’s gotta sit down with Brad, MP, and Neff-U and go through the session files to get everything settled, because I’ve heard “Water” was done in the Carolwood sunroom in early 2009 with Neff-U.
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Yep it’s honestly exhausting. Damien obviously has the connections. He should do that, and write a long article confirming details on each of the BB, MP, Neff-U post invincible tracks.
 
An in depth interview with John van Nest & Brian Malouf regarding their pre-Thriller / post-Thriller work would also clarify uncertainties. We have barely tangible infomartion about those periods. I assume, many song titles recited at the 1993 deposition were worked with John or Brian.
 
Fuzball said:
An in depth interview with John van Nest & Brian Malouf regarding their pre-Thriller / post-Thriller work would also clarify uncertainties. We have barely tangible infomartion about those periods. I assume, many song titles recited at the 1993 deposition were worked with John or Brian.
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This is where I wish that MJ Podcast that got to interview John Barnes really would've went in-depth with the unreleased songs. I would've just had a list ready and mention every single one and ask for the details.
 
Derek1984 said:
This is where I wish that MJ Podcast that got to interview John Barnes really would've went in-depth with the unreleased songs. I would've just had a list ready and mention every single one and ask for the details.
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I think Barnes was working on something that would go into detail about songs created for and with Michael because he was vague about certain things and wouldn't want to discuss them until a later time.
 
NetflexKing said:
The leaker said that they record the songs with their phone and convert it to mono. So he might have the full CDQ.
Also can you describe a little bit the structure of the songs you've heard? That will give us a very helpful insight on the tracks.
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They are both recordings of recordings of calls with collectors. There are no full songs in the hands of anyone, it’s kids misleading others to boost their ego.

I confronted one of these kids two days ago after they flexed having tomboy in a chat, pressuring them in a vc to play the song since “they had it”. they instead played 2 seconds of “i was the loser” that I know originated from a recording of a collector from 2 years ago to dissuade me.

They are attention seekers.
 
BlackAnon said:
I think Barnes was working on something that would go into detail about songs created for and with Michael because he was vague about certain things and wouldn't want to discuss them until a later time.
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That would make sense.

They did ask John about Buffalo Bill. And when they interviewed Matt Forger, they did ask about Tomboy. So I appreciated that. Just wish they could've pressed both of them more.
 
Beano Wild said:
They are both recordings of recordings of calls with collectors. There are no full songs in the hands of anyone, it’s kids misleading others to boost their ego.

I confronted one of these kids two days ago after they flexed having tomboy in a chat, pressuring them in a vc to play the song since “they had it”. they instead played 2 seconds of “i was the loser” that I know originated from a recording of a collector from 2 years ago to dissuade me.

They are attention seekers.
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Do you know all the snippets that are circulating right now? Would help us be aware whether it's coming from someone legit or some wanna-be collector/leaker when they inevitably get out.
 
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Derek1984 said:
That would make sense.

They did ask John about Buffalo Bill. And when they interviewed Matt Forger, they did ask about Tomboy. So I appreciated that. Just wish they could've pressed both of them more.
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I really apprecitate Bill Bottrell's communication with fans. The amount of details he's shared over the past year is gold. I'm looking forward for his Victory notes.
 
Clay7 said:
Water
Adore You
Affirmation
Weight Off Me
Gloucestershire
Stranger In Moscow Acapella
Heal The World Stems
Childhood Acapella
im sure i missed some other stuff
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source?
 
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