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Dangerous Short Films are currently being upscaled to 4K on YouTube!

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someplace_else said:
Did y'all sign the petition? Just sayin' 🧐

Estate Petition Link - please sign and share

Little spam, so everyone sees it: ❗Petition is ONLINE, please sign and share! ❗ https://chng.it/hBNfGXNJwB First thread with collected ideas and discussion is this one: https://www.mjjcommunity.com/threads/estate-petition-its-online.207336/
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bye 🙂
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There's no reason to sign as his estate is going to do what they want.
 
archonten said:
It 100% has to do with laziness. They have the money, but they just are not willing to spend it. I seriously hope that AI upscales won't be the norm. And to add to what I said about some of the music videos not having CGI (mainly the BAD era short films), I don't think You Rock My World or Cry ever used CGI either, and those would be easy. An AI upscale of YRMW would look horrible, and the worst of all short films to upscale would probably be Who Is It and Scream.
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Most Bad short films are fully edited on film so it would just be: scan the film -> digitally restore -> upload
 
mjfp said:
Bad
The Way You Make Me Feel
Speed Demon
Dirty Diana
Smooth Criminal
Leave Me Alone
Come Together
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Yeah, these would be easiest. I just stated the ones in Moonwalker since they are in full in the film, and if they really are just lazy, they could just scan a release print of Moonwalker, do a bit of restoration, and call it a day.
 
archonten said:
Yeah, these would be easiest. I just stated the ones in Moonwalker since they are in full in the film, and if they really are just lazy, they could just scan a release print of Moonwalker, do a bit of restoration, and call it a day.
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all of those including Bad, TWYMMF and DD are the same and are finished on film like Moonwalker, while the others were shot on film but the final master remains on tape
 
archonten said:
It 100% has to do with laziness. They have the money, but they just are not willing to spend it
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I really don't get it when people say this.

Not everything comes down to whether you have the money for something or not, or whether you're lazy or not. Free will exists. It's about what you want to spend the money on.

I can afford to buy a Britney Spears CD, but I never will because I simply don't like Britney Spears. I can afford to buy a curry, but I never will because I simply don't like spicy food. I can afford to buy a house in Ethiopia, but I never will because I simply don't want to live in Ethiopia. It's not laziness, it's just personal choice.

I'm sure the estate can afford anything they want. But they simply don't want to spend the money on it. They don't work for you. They don't need to keep you happy. Their goal is to make as much money for themselves as possible. One way to do that is to spend less.
 
R1chard said:
make as much money for themselves as possible
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I get your point, but a new album featuring unreleased, finished and mastered songs recorded by MJ during his lifetime would make them money too. Yet they're not doing it. If they managed to make money from fake tracks back in 2010, then they'd sure manage to get money from a new posthumous release featuring actual unreleased material. No reworks, no new productions, just the original material. The same goes for new film scans of Michael's videos.

I understand that the main purpose of the estate is to generate as much income as possible, but I believe it is also mandatory that Michael's artistic legacy is handled and preserved properly.
 
ToMi said:
I get your point, but a new album featuring unreleased, finished and mastered songs recorded by MJ during his lifetime would make them money too. Yet they're not doing it. If they managed to make money from fake tracks back in 2010, then they'd sure manage to get money from a new posthumous release featuring actual unreleased material. No reworks, no new productions, just the original material. The same goes for new film scans of Michael's videos.

I understand that the main purpose of the estate is to generate as much income as possible, but I believe it is also mandatory that Michael's artistic legacy is handled and preserved properly.
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Xscape „only“ sold around 1.1 million copies if I remember correctly? so I guess they think it‘s not worth doing it. But at the same time, it‘s been 11 years and I would say the album would reach more people if promoted correctly and (although that may be controversial for fans) having features like The Weeknd or dare I say Taylor Swift on there, as long as the original versions are released as well of course
 
One could have long dangerous Short Films like history Greatest Hits history Volume 2 In full hd as Blue ray could republish everything was missed why must Mj have the worst estate
 
someplace_else said:
Don't forget that after the Biopic there will be a lot more people who want to buy stuff...
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All albums were already remixed for Dolby Atmos scheduled to be released next year so theoretically, they could release Blu-rays for each album + eventually the short films and later Super Deluxe sets like Prince, Queen and The Beatles. But I guess that's just wishful thinking
 
ToMi said:
I get your point, but a new album featuring unreleased, finished and mastered songs recorded by MJ during his lifetime would make them money too. Yet they're not doing it.
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True.

But the way I see it, nothing I do can change what they do. As a fan, my role is to decide whether to buy what they sell. Or not.

And that's it.

That's all I have to do. I simply wait, see what they release, and then decide whether I'm going to buy it or not. I don't care whether they make money or not, so that's the end of my involvement with the process. What they do, and how they do it, is up to them. I'll simply judge the result.

ToMi said:
I understand that the main purpose of the estate is to generate as much income as possible, but I believe it is also mandatory that Michael's artistic legacy is handled and preserved properly.
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I don't see why I should care about that. I'm not getting paid by the estate.

Again, I'm a fan, not an executive. What matters to me is listening to MJ's music. And here's a hint: I already have it all. I listen to it whenever I want to. Therefore I don't care what might or might not be released in the future. I'll think about that if it happens.
 
mjfp said:
Xscape „only“ sold around 1.1 million copies if I remember correctly? so I guess they think it‘s not worth doing it. But at the same time, it‘s been 11 years and I would say the album would reach more people if promoted correctly
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To be honest, in those 11 years, the world has moved on.

Massively.

The "estate" has missed the boat. Nobody buys albums any more. CDs are finished. As you said, Xscape barely sold 1 million. T40 sold 0.1 million. Going forward, albums can be expected to sell less than this.

mjfp said:
having features like The Weeknd or dare I say Taylor Swift on there, as long as the original versions are released as well of course
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Well, that would make my mind up for me. If they're gonna fill the next album with duets or remixes from people MJ never met, it's an instant no-sale from me.

someplace_else said:
Don't forget that after the Biopic there will be a lot more people who want to buy stuff...
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Most likely they will listen to Billie Jean and MITM once each, on YouTube, and that will be it. Nobody's gonna be converted into an MJ fan enough to want to buy anything.

innuendo141 said:
I think if the biopic does very well (and I mean a massive success) then we could start to expect seeing proper legacy deluxe releases from 2028/2029 onwards starting with OTW 50.
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"Super Deluxe" is just code for "ridiculously overpriced". I don't need a worse sounding version of OTW that comes with 6 discs of filler, at a bargain price of $180.

Last year I got the best version of OTW. I will never be buying that album again.

mjfanboy27 said:
One could have long dangerous Short Films like history Greatest Hits history Volume 2 In full hd as Blue ray could republish everything was missed why must Mj have the worst estate
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Music on DVD and BD only ever sold in very small quantities, even when those formats were relevant. But as with CDs, the time had passed. People aren't interested in owning music any more.

mjfp said:
All albums were already remixed for Dolby Atmos scheduled to be released next year so theoretically, they could release Blu-rays for each album + eventually the short films
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For some reason, there was this trend 5 years ago of remixing everything in Dolby Atmos... and then... not actually releasing them. See Sgt Pepper and Automatic For The People. I'd have bought them if I could, but they never actually came out. The only reason they do this is so they get a higher royalty rate from streaming platforms if an Atmos version exists (even if the stereo version gets played).

Also, when you say eventually - it stands to reason that any future BD for an MJ album must automatically include the audio and all the videos, otherwise it's simply not worth doing.
 
I think a lot of people will google Michael, his songs and short films after the Biopic. I guess, that is also why they start to "enhance" all the short films now... only they're doing it wrong and half-heartedly. People don't want to see bad quality, they are used to crispy clean images nowadays. The fanbase could grow, they could sell more stuff. "Shoulda woulda coulda"...is basically the whole discussion 🫠
 
wonderouzmj said:
Michael used the original film reels for moonwalker retrospect & on the ones dvd it had the best quality of all clips. Im sure they're all stored somewhere
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Well, the ones on DVD were also the tape masters. The only reason why they look "better" than the ones on YouTube is that YouTube compresses the shit out of videos.
 
i love how there is no hype over these so called "4K versions"

great job once again, estate.
they know how to waste opportunities
 
AcielTwilight said:
I'm gonna assume they're just re-doing Black or White (uncensored version) and we'll get the others upscales later
I don't mind if we don't get anything else at this point, I'd rather have nothing than having AI upscale
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redoing BoW in actual 4K by scanning the film reels?
 
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