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The Discussion of MJ's Unreleased Tracks

Themidwestcowboy said:
Wasn’t it though? I remember seeing a video from the dangerous session where they’re arranging the tracklist, and both BOTDF and SPYHO was part of the tracklist.

If I recall correctly BOTDF 96 was not re-recorded or even re-produced (as in teddy “modernizing” it). They wanted it to stay as close to how it was done during the dangerous sessions.
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Oddly enough, engineer Jean-Marie Horvat recalled the song having a different kind of sound to what was released. During that online Kingvention video in 2020.

Since Teddy and his original engineer Dave Way attempted to re-create the song at least twice and Michael still wasn’t satisfied… so they abandoned it.
The original instrumental demo (which Michael liked) was recorded straight to stereo DAT so there was no way to isolate individual parts in those days.

My theory is, after Dave Way left the project, a different version of BOTDF was attempted with Bruce Swedien recording (before Jean-Marie Horvat joined) and vocals were cut but Michael was never fully satisfied with it. Deep down he preferred the demo.

By the time of BOTDF, they finally could use Teddy’s original DAT demo and re-create sounds so they could control it. They had a DAW (digital audio workstation) as well to sync up re-created parts to the demo. Thus, certain elements could be used to enhance Teddy’s demo.
Michael re-did his vocals to this.
 
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Seeing some talk about SPYHO made me think:

I wonder if MJ progressed the demo any further than the leak we have, or if it was never worked on again and just brought out for Teddy to rework. Would be cool if there's a more finished pre-Teddy version.

I remember that there were rumours that the original version was called Someone Put Your Hand Down, but not sure if that's true and haven't seen anyone mention it in a long time.
 
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SmoothGangsta said:
Seeing some talk about SPYHO made me think:

I wonder if MJ progressed the demo any further than the leak we have, or if it was never worked on again and just brought out for Teddy to rework. Would be cool if there's a more finished pre-Teddy version.

I remember that there were rumours that the original version was called Someone Put Your Hand Down, but not sure if that's true and haven't seen anyone mention it in a long time.
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When they said "Someone Put Your Hand Down" during the deposition, Michael quickly corrected him and said "hand OUT". If there was a DOWN version, I don't think he would've corrected him.
 
BlackAnon said:
When they said "Someone Put Your Hand Down" during the deposition, Michael quickly corrected him and said "hand OUT". If there was a DOWN version, I don't think he would've corrected him.
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Ah, so that's where it came from then. Thanks for letting me know. I wasn't aware that it was mentioned during the deposition. I agree it was likely just a mistake.
 
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SmoothGangsta said:
Ah, so that's where it came from then. Thanks for letting me know. I wasn't aware that it was mentioned during the deposition. I agree it was likely just a mistake.
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At the 2:49:45 mark. Michael says "Someone Put Your Hand Out", the attorney says "Someone Put Your Hand Down" and Michael corrects him and says "hand OUT"

 
Pretty interesting that MJ had this in his house. Guess he was listening to it for ideas, or maybe it's a new mix.

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Also TYLA. I assume this is just a mixdown for MJ to listen to?

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Do we know the exact recording date for "Abortion Papers"? Being recorded at Soundcastle I assume it's sometime in late 1983/early 1984? The MJ Wikia pinpoints the recording date to 1987 and says the track was co-produced by Quincy, but no source is listed and I'm pretty certain that is incorrect.
 
ToMi said:
Thanks! I'm trying to fix some on the Wikia inaccuracies (lots of them there) to keep the information sources consistent.
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The problem is the lack of official sources regarding correct recording dates - the books tend to copy what the releases state (Ultimate Collection/Bad 25 etc), but these are often incorrect.

I once tried to edit the Wikipedia entry for Dirty Diana following the MJcast interview with Matt Forger, who said it was written and first worked on in 1984. When I edited the date from 1986 to 1984, I was told that the interview wasn’t sufficient enough evidence.

So what we are left with, for example, is Cheater or Abortion Papers having their official recording dates as 1987 rather than 1983/4.
 
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