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The Discussion of MJ's Unreleased Tracks

Clay7 said:
I know what he's referring to. I believe it was watches though, not clocks. I never looked into it much since i don't care about that song.
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Watches could've been part of it but these were clocks and I remember one being white, red and black in particular
 
"I co-wrote Shut Up and Dance for Michael and he loved it. But the key to many of the unreleased songs is that the music and VOCALS were not finished. The real dilemma is what is the correct way or process to present them to the fans and SHOULD they be released ever. I have as many tracks (almost) as the vault but it is Michael's legacy that I am passionate about, this above all." - Michael Prince
 
"Those were some of the new songs we were working on up to the start of rehearsals for This Is It.....There are demo's, but, all these decisions are up to the Estate, as they are the embodiment of the interests of Michael. While it's true that any co-owner of the copyright 'could' release something, I doubt that will ever happen. NO new songs were ever rehearsed for This Is It!" - Michael Prince on songs like Broken Chair, D.I.E., Don’t Make Me Stay, H20, Lady of Summer, Red Eye, Silent Spring, Water
 
BlackAnon said:
"I co-wrote Shut Up and Dance for Michael and he loved it. But the key to many of the unreleased songs is that the music and VOCALS were not finished. The real dilemma is what is the correct way or process to present them to the fans and SHOULD they be released ever. I have as many tracks (almost) as the vault but it is Michael's legacy that I am passionate about, this above all." - Michael Prince
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Is that a new interview with Michael Prince? Could you post a link?
 
BlackAnon said:
"I co-wrote Shut Up and Dance for Michael and he loved it. But the key to many of the unreleased songs is that the music and VOCALS were not finished. The real dilemma is what is the correct way or process to present them to the fans and SHOULD they be released ever. I have as many tracks (almost) as the vault but it is Michael's legacy that I am passionate about, this above all." - Michael Prince
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It's no secret that I'd just like them to release the demos. I'm not overly interested in writer's demos but I think stuff that Michael actually heard and intended to record at some point would be interesting to hear.
 
"Don't Make Me Stay" doesn't get mentioned quite often (if ever) but it's a song that I'm quite eager to hear, especially since it's one of the rare songs from the 2000's which we have confirmation that has vocals recorded.

The way Damien Shields described the chorus being similar to Janet Jackson's "Runaway" specifically is something that makes me wonder if MJ at one point didn't regret, in a way, not saving that song for himself since the groove of the song was originally made as a contender for a MJ/Janet duet.
 
I think over all the years of hearing so many titles, I've rarely allowed myself to get interested or excited in things we may never hear.

The one exception, is Buffalo Bill. It's the one song that I have wanted to hear the most ever since I first watched the ""Unauthorised" interview at Hayvenhurst in '83.

The day that leaks will render me catatonic, regardless of how good or bad it is.
 
Themidwestcowboy said:
Wasn’t it though? I remember seeing a video from the dangerous session where they’re arranging the tracklist, and both BOTDF and SPYHO was part of the tracklist.

If I recall correctly BOTDF 96 was not re-recorded or even re-produced (as in teddy “modernizing” it). They wanted it to stay as close to how it was done during the dangerous sessions.
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Oddly enough, engineer Jean-Marie Horvat recalled the song having a different kind of sound to what was released. During that online Kingvention video in 2020.

Since Teddy and his original engineer Dave Way attempted to re-create the song at least twice and Michael still wasn’t satisfied… so they abandoned it.
The original instrumental demo (which Michael liked) was recorded straight to stereo DAT so there was no way to isolate individual parts in those days.

My theory is, after Dave Way left the project, a different version of BOTDF was attempted with Bruce Swedien recording (before Jean-Marie Horvat joined) and vocals were cut but Michael was never fully satisfied with it. Deep down he preferred the demo.

By the time of BOTDF, they finally could use Teddy’s original DAT demo and re-create sounds so they could control it. They had a DAW (digital audio workstation) as well to sync up re-created parts to the demo. Thus, certain elements could be used to enhance Teddy’s demo.
Michael re-did his vocals to this.
 
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Seeing some talk about SPYHO made me think:

I wonder if MJ progressed the demo any further than the leak we have, or if it was never worked on again and just brought out for Teddy to rework. Would be cool if there's a more finished pre-Teddy version.

I remember that there were rumours that the original version was called Someone Put Your Hand Down, but not sure if that's true and haven't seen anyone mention it in a long time.
 
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SmoothGangsta said:
Seeing some talk about SPYHO made me think:

I wonder if MJ progressed the demo any further than the leak we have, or if it was never worked on again and just brought out for Teddy to rework. Would be cool if there's a more finished pre-Teddy version.

I remember that there were rumours that the original version was called Someone Put Your Hand Down, but not sure if that's true and haven't seen anyone mention it in a long time.
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When they said "Someone Put Your Hand Down" during the deposition, Michael quickly corrected him and said "hand OUT". If there was a DOWN version, I don't think he would've corrected him.
 
BlackAnon said:
When they said "Someone Put Your Hand Down" during the deposition, Michael quickly corrected him and said "hand OUT". If there was a DOWN version, I don't think he would've corrected him.
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Ah, so that's where it came from then. Thanks for letting me know. I wasn't aware that it was mentioned during the deposition. I agree it was likely just a mistake.
 
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SmoothGangsta said:
Ah, so that's where it came from then. Thanks for letting me know. I wasn't aware that it was mentioned during the deposition. I agree it was likely just a mistake.
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At the 2:49:45 mark. Michael says "Someone Put Your Hand Out", the attorney says "Someone Put Your Hand Down" and Michael corrects him and says "hand OUT"

 
Slightly off topic but I just discovered this awesome remix of Hold My Hand and was surprised to hear a small snippet of MJ vocals that I cant hear in the released version from 2010.

At around 1:10 min MJ is singing the line „Nothing can come between us if you just“
That „if you just“ gets repeated a couple times but the last two times it sounds different. More soulful. I cant hear that in the 2010 version.

So I was wondering if the guy who made the remix had access to the multitrack 🤔 Did the Hold My Hand multitrack ever leak?

 
Pretty interesting that MJ had this in his house. Guess he was listening to it for ideas, or maybe it's a new mix.

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Also TYLA. I assume this is just a mixdown for MJ to listen to?

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