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"Michael", a biopic about Michael Jackson, is officially happening.

KOPV said:
Graham went on this venture to make the film before Lionsgate was involved. He first got the rights from the Estate before anything.. Yes it's a business venture, but the people behind the film are people who have love for Michael.

There is no question that Michael always wanted anything his name is attached to in a positive way to be huge. The man wanted everything grand, big, and he cared very much about numbers. He literally manifested "Best selling album of all time". While this is not his body of work, it will be the product that brings a huge amount of attention to his body of work... Also, this films success will affect the way people view Michael Jackson. If you've been around for long, and have dealt with the BS around how MJ is attacked, or have any empathy as to what he went through, what legacy he wanted to leave behind, what his family goes through... The success of a positive MJ biopic should matter to you. - If not, that's on you. For most here, it is very important.


BTW, Michael did not disprove of the American Dream, he had to approve of various things for the film to be made. Was he happy with every decision, that is another topic.

Regardless, to those who find Michaels legacy important.. This films success is important. If you have the opinion that it does not impact Michael Jackson's legacy, than the legacy you hold within yourself is what matters to you. Many of us care what it matters to the world. He fought his whole life, and with his life to build something that has been continuously attacked, belittled, minimized, and tarnished. For the love of Michael and what was important to him - its important to us.
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This 100%, but I can also understand when some people are not interested in the numbers. There are and will always be people who talk badly about Michael, don't like his music, whatever, so it is probably for the best to not care (too much) about other people's opinions. It's often too nerve wracking. It's important what Michael means to yourself. There will always be dumb people, no matter what, so I guess that's the point I can understand...

Still, I hope the Biopic will be a great success and there will be more, especially younger fans, that are not as biased, so his legacy can live on.
 
KOPV said:
Graham went on this venture to make the film before Lionsgate was involved. He first got the rights from the Estate before anything.. Yes it's a business venture, but the people behind the film are people who have love for Michael.

There is no question that Michael always wanted anything his name is attached to in a positive way to be huge. The man wanted everything grand, big, and he cared very much about numbers. He literally manifested "Best selling album of all time". While this is not his body of work, it will be the product that brings a huge amount of attention to his body of work... Also, this films success will affect the way people view Michael Jackson. If you've been around for long, and have dealt with the BS around how MJ is attacked, or have any empathy as to what he went through, what legacy he wanted to leave behind, what his family goes through... The success of a positive MJ biopic should matter to you. - If not, that's on you. For most here, it is very important.


BTW, Michael did not disprove of the American Dream, he had to approve of various things for the film to be made. Was he happy with every decision, that is another topic.

Regardless, to those who find Michaels legacy important.. This films success is important. If you have the opinion that it does not impact Michael Jackson's legacy, than the legacy you hold within yourself is what matters to you. Many of us care what it matters to the world. He fought his whole life, and with his life to build something that has been continuously attacked, belittled, minimized, and tarnished. For the love of Michael and what was important to him - its important to us.
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Beautiful post 👏
 
I thought I'd seen 150 mins somewhere on a cinema site. Maybe it was placeholder.
 
Blues_Away2023 said:
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I think R1chard's attitude isn't too unreasonable. He's using himself as an example of a subset of fans. What did the other fan communities gain from their artists' biopics? (an open question). We can at least hope for more acceptance of talking openly about appreciating MJ, and his music and visual influences being around more.

Surely, most fans will end up enjoying some parts and "hating" others. It's not up to anyone to police others for not fully supporting anything posthumous.

Our obligation if there is one, is more towards community than specific products. A big part of that is accepting diverse views.
We just keep being spoon fed press releases from the estate hammering into people that success is based on numbers/$$$$

I think Michael's true legacy is in personal and cultural impact and inspiration. The film seems set to be part of that, but it will never replace it (I hope)

Biopic is important as far as the estate's projects go, but it's not the end all be all that people make it out to be, and people who are invested in such a mindset may waste energy defending things that have little to do with MJ when it's just a major product with his name attached.

I am biopic neutral, won't see it in theater (at least not in the first month). That doesn't mean I won't partake in general fan excitement or online gatherings etc.

Around 2006-7 there was an offer on the table for MJ writing another autobiography. If he made any types of sketches/outline on that and it feeds into the biopic saga, that would make me much more attentive.

Billions of people will always be interested in Michael Jackson, and "the media” doesn't have the impact it once had
 
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Billions influenced by media, yes. Casual fans maybe a few million, hardcore a few thousand imo.
 
Richard, although he can be exhausting sometimes, isn't totally wrong. Fans have 0 control about the quality and the outcome of this movie. at one point you have to detach and not make it personal, and not make whatever will be of this movie OTHERS decided to make, a crucial factor for your happiness. flop or success we can't really do anything about it and we can't control what it will generate. I hope and trust that the ones behind it have carefully considered the costs and potential wins and decided that the potential wins were worth the try. that's it. fans can only choose to support the movie, for the rest we can't control any of this shit: box office, general interest, critics reception, media receptions, guilters, Jacksons members acting out, drama etc
 
Pretty massive spoiler online through the media day starting today. Surrounding when the film ends. I won't post it just to be super safe
 
Very interesting, I wonder if they just mean last scene for Joe and not Michael.

Unless they’re starting with that Bad tour performance then going all the way back and ending with Victory 😬
 
Blues_Away2023 said:
Very interesting, I wonder if they just mean last scene for Joe and not Michael.

Unless they’re starting with that Bad tour performance then going all the way back and ending with Victory 😬
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Saw a post on Reddit theorizing that the movie starts with the Bad Tour and then it flashes back to the J5/OTW/Thriller eras, and that the movie overall would center around Michael breaking free from Joe's control which would make sense with everything we've seen from the movie thus far + with the rumor that the first script of the movie would switch back and forth between the 1993 raid and events from past eras. If true that would mean Part 1 is pretty much gonna be a rehash of American Dream lol.
 
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ChanceToDance said:
Saw a post on Reddit theorizing that the movie starts with the Bad Tour and then it flashes back to the J5/OTW/Thriller eras, and that the movie overall would center around Michael breaking free from Joe's control which would make sense with everything we've seen from the movie thus far + with the rumor that the first script of the movie would switch back and forth between the 1993 raid and events from past eras. If true that would mean Part 1 is pretty much gonna be a rehash of American Dream lol.
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I think you’re right….sadly. It will mostly focus on the Michael/Joe relationship in this movie and be exactly like An American dream.

It’s a shame because I wanted one big epic MJ movie , it just means a lot of the more Michael being larger than life persona won’t be seen in this movie and we will need to wait for a part 2.

The likes of Smooth Criminal not being shown is the trailer is because it’s not in it. It makes sense 😢
 
We'll get LARGER THAN LIFE and Smoothness with Part 2.

Look at it like this:
It will be like "Fellowship Of The Ring" followed by "Return Of The King" (without TTT switched in between there).
Which would mean summa sumarum (all in all) 2 billion at the box office and 15 academy award wins.
So it looks pretty promising...
 
i'm not necessarily mad if the the first movie is strictly pre-Bad era focused. if we want Michael's life story and psyche to be laid out and fully understood by the audience then we can't rush the Jacksons 5/early 80s era. I especially hope they take some sweet time with Juliano's scenes as well. the rest can be unpacked in the second movie. i think Jackson AAD was a brilliant movie, albeit difficult, and if what we are getting in a couple of months is a modernized rendition of that i won't complain. but again, AAD was very good and didn't shy away from the most difficult parts of Joe's character. will Michael be up to the challenge?
 
I predicted that the film would open with Bad and not go as far as the Bad era last week. The lack of Bad era in the trailers felt like a give away

Feels like Jacksons American Dream remake
 
I do wonder how much of the film will feature the actor playing young Michael and how much of it will be Jaafar.

In the promo they've made a big deal out of Jaafar's transformation, so surely he'll be the lead for most of this film?
 
Zack44 said:
https://www.rollingstone.com/movies/movie-news/michael-jackson-biopic-lionsgate-announced-1296360/

It's officially sanctioned by the estate & the Jackson family, and it's going to be co-produced by Graham King (AKA the producer of Bohemian Rhapsody who secured the rights to make an MJ biopic several months ago) and it's gonna be distributed by Lionsgate.

Also, Graham King is a fan who mentions that he's done his own research about the allegations and believes that he was innocent. So we've got that going for us, which is nice.

Personally, I don't think that a single 2-hour movie is enough to do justice to Michael's career, and I'd rather see the Estate focus on a project that helps vindicate MJ's innocence (e.g. Taj's upcoming Kickstarter documentary series). However, if this movie is done well and is able to improve the general public's perception of Michael in a more positive way, than it's a win-win situation.

What are your thoughts, everyone?
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I’m super excited omg omg
 
SmoothCriminal1995 said:
I do wonder how much of the film will feature the actor playing young Michael and how much of it will be Jaafar.

In the promo they've made a big deal out of Jaafar's transformation, so surely he'll be the lead for most of this film?
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Standard is around 25-40 mins of a movie for these kinds of things, but the J5 were so so huge that I wouldn't be surprised if it's close to the hour mark (if it's a 2+ hour film). If its 2 hours, then 25-40 mins max.
 
KOPV said:
There is no question that Michael always wanted anything his name is attached to in a positive way to be huge.
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Doesn't everybody? I'd want my songs to be huge too. Doh.

But you're talking about what MJ wanted. I took issue with the wrong choice of words, ie I was responding to the use of the word deserves. It's very different. This movie doesn't deserve anything.

KOPV said:
Also, this films success will affect the way people view Michael Jackson.
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If they didn't have an opinion on MJ by now, this won't sway them, lol.

KOPV said:
If you've been around for long, and have dealt with the BS around how MJ is attacked, or have any empathy as to what he went through, what legacy he wanted to leave behind, what his family goes through...
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Been a fan since the mid 80s. I considered going to the trial but I was unemployed at the time and couldn't justify the flights and a lengthy stay in hotels. Do I pass your "fan test"?

Anyway, getting back to it, they're actually two different things. You can separate the art from the artist. Lots of people like music from Oasis or the Sex Pistols, yet they think of those bands as idiots. The same even for R Kelly. Even Beatles.

Either way. MJ's music speaks for itself. The movie won't have any impact on that.

KOPV said:
The success of a positive MJ biopic should matter to you. - If not, that's on you.
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It doesn't matter to me. And yeah, it's "on me", whatever that means. Either way, you don't get to decide what's important to me.

All I really want is a good film. Something that I'll enjoy watching. Not something that you will enjoy watching, or something that other people I've never met will enjoy watching. I can only speak for my own tastes.

I want an enjoyable and fun and accurate movie, but I have no idea if it will be any of those things. If you're taking my indifference to a Hollywood movie as a personal attack on yourself, or on MJ, then that's "on you", to use your phrase.

I don't care if my friends and neighbours and colleagues like it, or even whether they've seen it. That's literally a crazy thing to care about. And caring how much money it puts into the pocket of Frank Giustra is an even crazier thing to care about.

KOPV said:
BTW, Michael did not disapprove of the American Dream,
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No, An American Dream was the J5 biopic. I'm talking about Man in the Mirror from 2004.

KOPV said:
Regardless, to those who find Michaels legacy important.. This films success is important
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I find it sad you're trying to live your life based on the success of others. Get some self-worth!

KOPV said:
He fought his whole life, and with his life to build something that has been continuously attacked, belittled, minimized, and tarnished. For the love of Michael and what was important to him - its important to us.
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Get over it. It doesn't matter what was "tarnished". Just listen to the music. If that makes you happy, why care about anything else? It's all just noise on the periphery.
 
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