lemon662
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Hello everyone, I'm new here. I have a health care background myself. I was recently reading MJ's Autospy Report (found online: http://www.autopsyfiles.org/reports/Celebs/jackson, michael_report.pdf ) and I noticed some interesting things:
1. On page 5 under the section "Informant/Witness Statements" (end of the first paragraph), it's stated that Murray found MJ not breathing at 12:00 and he proceeded to put him onto the FLOOR and begin CPR. Now I'm not sure WHO gave this info to law enforcement such that it was reported this way in this document (Murray? someone else?) but this totally goes against the 911 call made by Alberto Alvarez that was apparently made at, what, 12:21pm?....where he indicated to the 911 dispatcher that MJ was having CPR performed on him ON THE BED.
2. If you look on pg 8 and 9 of the documents, you'll see documents indicating the meds that MJ was on/had been prescribed/were at his home. If you look at the bottom of both pages 8 and 9 in the section "Paraphernalia Description" you'll see that an Empty glass vial of Propofol was found......but ALSO (!!) an EMPTY glass vial of the medication FLUMAZENIL. This is medication that's given to COUNTERACT Benz the sedative effect of Benzodiazepines. As you can see from these documents, MJ either took/was prescribed (many by Murray) or had in his possession, many different benzodiazepine meds (diazepam, lorazepam, temazepam, midazolam, clonazepam).
We know that MJ's cause of death has been determined to be acute Propofol toxicity which was further accentuated by benzodiazepines. So it would appear that SOMEONE had given MJ Flumazenil IV at some point, to counteract the benzos in his system. How well was someone (Murray) monitoring him if there was a point that he had so much benzo meds in his system that he needed a Benzo-antagonist med? I wonder if mention of this med will come up in the trial
3. From everything I've read about Propofol, it just seems like a very, very strange choice of medications to use to help an insomniac sleep. Because of it's very short half-life, in order to keep someone sedated for any length of time, one would have to be giving a continuous IV drip of this med as opposed to giving bolus injections (a syringe of it injected into the port of the IV periodically). And you cannot run a continuous Propofol IV drip without using a proper IV pump and a pump was never found or said to have been used.
4. It seems interesting to me that according to the testimony of, I believe Firefighter/Paramedic Senneff, that Murray "accidentally" pulled out the IV that was in MJs left lower leg/foot. Was it really an accident or was did he do it intentionally (knowing it would be very difficult to get another IV started to therefore administer meds that could help to revive MJ/start his heart) to reduce the chances that he would be resuscitated?
5. Alberto Alvarez testified that it was during the call to 911 that he was instructed to get MJ down onto the floor so they did this. He also testified that Murray was stupidly doing CPR with only one hand, on a soft bed. It makes me wonder if.......Murray knew that MJ had been dead for quite some time and knew that CPR wasn't going to help anyway..................OR................he was intentionally performing CPR incorrectly/ineffectively because he didn't really want to save MJ.
6. Firefighter Senneff testified that when he entered the bedroom MJ was in, he saw Murray and some other unnamed security person, moving MJ from the bed to the floor; that at the moment he walked into MJ's room he saw MJ's torso (upper body) on the bed but his lower body closer to the floor. This conflicts what Alvarez testified previously (or does it? Did he ever really say that they DID move MJ down onto the floor when the 911 told them to get him onto the floor? It's not like he said clearly that they DID move him to the floor at that point did he?). BUT, say they DID move him to the floor as directed by the 911 dispatcher, there's nothing to say that he wasn't moved back ONTO the bed for some other reason (as directed by Murray) following that.
7. Alvarez stated that MJ had only ONE IV in his left foot and it was connected to a bag of Normal Saline. Just because that's all he SAW (and all that paramedics saw) doesn't mean he didn't have an IV in the other lower leg/foot PRIOR (that Murray had previously removed). Of course only one patent IV was necessary for Murray to be injecting ANY med into.
8. I find it very strange that apparently there were 'bottles of urine' located in that bedroom. Why on earth wouldn't the urine that would have been emptied from the collection bag that was attached to MJs condom catheter just have been emptied into a toilet/discarded? That's just bizarre to me.
9. In the Autopsy Report documents, I don't read anything about there having been extra bags of IV fluids found. If MJ was apparently being treated for "dehydration", wouldn't you expect to find extra bags of fluid on hand?
10. If Murray claims that he witnessed MJ having stopped breathing around noon, and paramedics noted no change in MJ's condtion despite CPR, despite the meds given (epinephrine, atropine, sodium bicarb) such that Dr Cooper told them that they were authorized to pronounce him dead, why did they continue to work on him at UCLA? What on earth did they think they would be able to do if he'd been clinically dead since at LEAST noon? (wasn't it about 13:13 or 13:17 that he arrived by ambulance @ UCLA?) If a person's been clinically dead for that long, what hope would there have been? They officially pronounced him dead as 14:26. That's pretty much 2.5 hours after he was reported found not breathing. Do you really think they worked on him that long (from 13:17 to 14:26) at UCLA? I realize he was a celebrity and they'd want to ensure that they did EVERYTHING to revive him but they reportedly never saw any change in his condition (with respect to his heart function) so it seems strange to me that they would have kept trying for that long. Does anyone else find this strange?
1. On page 5 under the section "Informant/Witness Statements" (end of the first paragraph), it's stated that Murray found MJ not breathing at 12:00 and he proceeded to put him onto the FLOOR and begin CPR. Now I'm not sure WHO gave this info to law enforcement such that it was reported this way in this document (Murray? someone else?) but this totally goes against the 911 call made by Alberto Alvarez that was apparently made at, what, 12:21pm?....where he indicated to the 911 dispatcher that MJ was having CPR performed on him ON THE BED.
2. If you look on pg 8 and 9 of the documents, you'll see documents indicating the meds that MJ was on/had been prescribed/were at his home. If you look at the bottom of both pages 8 and 9 in the section "Paraphernalia Description" you'll see that an Empty glass vial of Propofol was found......but ALSO (!!) an EMPTY glass vial of the medication FLUMAZENIL. This is medication that's given to COUNTERACT Benz the sedative effect of Benzodiazepines. As you can see from these documents, MJ either took/was prescribed (many by Murray) or had in his possession, many different benzodiazepine meds (diazepam, lorazepam, temazepam, midazolam, clonazepam).
We know that MJ's cause of death has been determined to be acute Propofol toxicity which was further accentuated by benzodiazepines. So it would appear that SOMEONE had given MJ Flumazenil IV at some point, to counteract the benzos in his system. How well was someone (Murray) monitoring him if there was a point that he had so much benzo meds in his system that he needed a Benzo-antagonist med? I wonder if mention of this med will come up in the trial
3. From everything I've read about Propofol, it just seems like a very, very strange choice of medications to use to help an insomniac sleep. Because of it's very short half-life, in order to keep someone sedated for any length of time, one would have to be giving a continuous IV drip of this med as opposed to giving bolus injections (a syringe of it injected into the port of the IV periodically). And you cannot run a continuous Propofol IV drip without using a proper IV pump and a pump was never found or said to have been used.
4. It seems interesting to me that according to the testimony of, I believe Firefighter/Paramedic Senneff, that Murray "accidentally" pulled out the IV that was in MJs left lower leg/foot. Was it really an accident or was did he do it intentionally (knowing it would be very difficult to get another IV started to therefore administer meds that could help to revive MJ/start his heart) to reduce the chances that he would be resuscitated?
5. Alberto Alvarez testified that it was during the call to 911 that he was instructed to get MJ down onto the floor so they did this. He also testified that Murray was stupidly doing CPR with only one hand, on a soft bed. It makes me wonder if.......Murray knew that MJ had been dead for quite some time and knew that CPR wasn't going to help anyway..................OR................he was intentionally performing CPR incorrectly/ineffectively because he didn't really want to save MJ.
6. Firefighter Senneff testified that when he entered the bedroom MJ was in, he saw Murray and some other unnamed security person, moving MJ from the bed to the floor; that at the moment he walked into MJ's room he saw MJ's torso (upper body) on the bed but his lower body closer to the floor. This conflicts what Alvarez testified previously (or does it? Did he ever really say that they DID move MJ down onto the floor when the 911 told them to get him onto the floor? It's not like he said clearly that they DID move him to the floor at that point did he?). BUT, say they DID move him to the floor as directed by the 911 dispatcher, there's nothing to say that he wasn't moved back ONTO the bed for some other reason (as directed by Murray) following that.
7. Alvarez stated that MJ had only ONE IV in his left foot and it was connected to a bag of Normal Saline. Just because that's all he SAW (and all that paramedics saw) doesn't mean he didn't have an IV in the other lower leg/foot PRIOR (that Murray had previously removed). Of course only one patent IV was necessary for Murray to be injecting ANY med into.
8. I find it very strange that apparently there were 'bottles of urine' located in that bedroom. Why on earth wouldn't the urine that would have been emptied from the collection bag that was attached to MJs condom catheter just have been emptied into a toilet/discarded? That's just bizarre to me.
9. In the Autopsy Report documents, I don't read anything about there having been extra bags of IV fluids found. If MJ was apparently being treated for "dehydration", wouldn't you expect to find extra bags of fluid on hand?
10. If Murray claims that he witnessed MJ having stopped breathing around noon, and paramedics noted no change in MJ's condtion despite CPR, despite the meds given (epinephrine, atropine, sodium bicarb) such that Dr Cooper told them that they were authorized to pronounce him dead, why did they continue to work on him at UCLA? What on earth did they think they would be able to do if he'd been clinically dead since at LEAST noon? (wasn't it about 13:13 or 13:17 that he arrived by ambulance @ UCLA?) If a person's been clinically dead for that long, what hope would there have been? They officially pronounced him dead as 14:26. That's pretty much 2.5 hours after he was reported found not breathing. Do you really think they worked on him that long (from 13:17 to 14:26) at UCLA? I realize he was a celebrity and they'd want to ensure that they did EVERYTHING to revive him but they reportedly never saw any change in his condition (with respect to his heart function) so it seems strange to me that they would have kept trying for that long. Does anyone else find this strange?
