Hot topic Brad Sundberg Seminars: Making Music With Michael Jackson

Mikky Dee

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Iwasaloser619;4295318 said:
You guys know that “throwing your life away” the full version got leaked?

Yes, it's a damn shame. I hope it doesn't cause trouble for Brad, because he is a wonderful man who does wonderful things for the fans.
 

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I am enjoying these presentations so much - 7 songs, 7 stories, from 7 guys over 7 days. Just wonderful.
 

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Couldn't find any photos of Brian Vibberts with Michael
but here he is with Bart Stevens:

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Eleven years ago today I lost a friend. He was a very special guy. I wrote this about our friendship for a speech class I am taking.

Thesis: Black or white, rich or poor – these should not impact a friendship.

I'm a lover, not a fighter.

For two boys, one black and one white, born into this world during the tempestuous years leading up to the Civil Rights movement in America, the general society forecasted them to be polar opposites and that the white boy was to be more entitled than the other.
Each family was large, each family struggled financially, each family possessed hope, each family shared love. The paths were similar but 1000 miles apart. There was a turning point where one father chose to surrender to the bottle, and one was bedeviled by success.

As alcoholism crumbled the white family the other family found fame and fortune. Those two little boys where becoming men as a result of the path set forth by their fathers. One boy lost his father to the grave because of the bottle and the other lost his father to the addiction of power and control.

After 30 years on the earth the two boys’ paths crossed in the City of Angels. One boy swore he would not be like his father, the other boy had to prove to his tyrant father he could make it on his own. The fatherless boy was outgoing, but the other boy was leery and jaded because of the fame and fortune leeches. Most people wanted to like him for who they thought he had become but very seldom did anyone like or know him for who he actually was, which was an amazing, generous individual.

The guards were lowered, and the friendship grew to include families sharing time and laughs together. The boy blessed with fame and fortune missed out on childhood and would often invite people to his castle for fun and games. One evening I will never forget – during a water balloon fight – at Neverland Valley Ranch, I was chasing the boy with fame and fortune, I swear he screamed a line from one of his songs, “I’m a lover, not a fighter.” Friends in spite of our differences.

Rest in Peace M.J.
 

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Fuzball;4295773 said:
Eleven years ago today I lost a friend. He was a very special guy. I wrote this about our friendship for a speech class I am taking.

Thesis: Black or white, rich or poor – these should not impact a friendship.

I'm a lover, not a fighter.

For two boys, one black and one white, born into this world during the tempestuous years leading up to the Civil Rights movement in America, the general society forecasted them to be polar opposites and that the white boy was to be more entitled than the other.
Each family was large, each family struggled financially, each family possessed hope, each family shared love. The paths were similar but 1000 miles apart. There was a turning point where one father chose to surrender to the bottle, and one was bedeviled by success.

As alcoholism crumbled the white family the other family found fame and fortune. Those two little boys where becoming men as a result of the path set forth by their fathers. One boy lost his father to the grave because of the bottle and the other lost his father to the addiction of power and control.

After 30 years on the earth the two boys’ paths crossed in the City of Angels. One boy swore he would not be like his father, the other boy had to prove to his tyrant father he could make it on his own. The fatherless boy was outgoing, but the other boy was leery and jaded because of the fame and fortune leeches. Most people wanted to like him for who they thought he had become but very seldom did anyone like or know him for who he actually was, which was an amazing, generous individual.

The guards were lowered, and the friendship grew to include families sharing time and laughs together. The boy blessed with fame and fortune missed out on childhood and would often invite people to his castle for fun and games. One evening I will never forget – during a water balloon fight – at Neverland Valley Ranch, I was chasing the boy with fame and fortune, I swear he screamed a line from one of his songs, “I’m a lover, not a fighter.” Friends in spite of our differences.

Rest in Peace M.J.

:boohoo
 

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I enjoy watching these videos. But I wonder why there is no talk about unreleased music whatsoever.
 

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IMWhizzle;4296175 said:
I enjoy watching these videos. But I wonder why there is no talk about unreleased music whatsoever.

Because it’s not the topic of this series? ;)
 

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I’m getting the impression that some people vastly overestimate the relevance of unreleased music for Brad’s seminars. :laughing:
 

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Interesting intervention from Brad. I found particularly insightful the next few lines.

Fuzball said:
The fatherless boy was outgoing, but the other boy was leery and jaded because of the fame and fortune leeches. Most people wanted to like him for who they thought he had become but very seldom did anyone like or know him for who he actually was, which was an amazing, generous individual.

There are indeed plenty of people who have professed their love and understanding of Michael, but is that really true? Did they really get the man inside, before or after June 25th 2009? And those questions may be valid, dare I say, even for his collaborators, some closer than others.

It is only natural and quite fair for people to speak from their own perspective and direct interaction. Obviously, he was a man most dedicated to his craft, cultivating not just in himself, but in those around him the search for near-perfection. He was also a wonderful and generous friend for many. Sadly, some people were so vicious, they turned that generosity against him in the most heinous of ways.

For the fans, he is not only one of the most brilliant artists the world has ever known, but also an absolute hero and a victim of dreadful lies and evil plots. Unfortunately, some take their affection for Michael in rather dangerous territories of adulation which don’t allow any room for quite human frailties and inconsistencies.

His children rightfully perceived him as the most amazing and wonderful dad ever. So many of his nephews and nieces know him as a great uncle. For his mother, he was a most loving son. And for his father, not just a son awaiting tenderness, approval and care, but also an adult man with a forgiving spirit.

And that is why I actually thought it wasn’t the wisest of issues (Michael’s relationship to his father) to be brought up by Brad, or anyone else for that matter, during this time of year, especially now that it’s been two years since Michael’s father passed away. If Michael found it in his heart to overcome the angst and trauma accumulated in the earlier part of his life when dealing with his father, if he forgave him and if they had reconciled, why do some people – from fans to collaborators – insist on bringing this issue up, as if they know better than the man himself?

One didn’t actually need to spend (tens of) thousands of hours with Michael, inside the studio or not, in order to see what an amazing, generous individual he was. Anyone with an open mind, heart and eyes could easily sense that we were witnessing not just a creative genius at work and a once in a lifetime live performer, but also a brilliant mind with a most generous spirit, full of love and appreciation for the simple, yet great wonders of God’s creation. And just about anyone in tune enough could do that without being affected either by the horrid caricature the media purposefully created around him or by the absurdly unrealistic prism some fans used when ‘seeing’ him.

Many people across the world have been missing Michael for eleven years now. Do I get bragging rights if I say my longing predates that? It's been almost a dozen years since I reached out to him. One could say I miss him so much that it’s written not only in the stars, but in the scars as well. But that may be,,,,or not, another story for yet another very special point in time.......
 

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Girl;4296188 said:
It is only natural and quite fair for people to speak from their own perspective and direct interaction.

It always reminds me of the parable of the Blind Men and an Elephant.

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“The parable of the Blind Men and an Elephant originated in the ancient Indian subcontinent, from where it has been widely diffused. It is a story of a group of blind men who have never come across an elephant before and who learn and conceptualize what the elephant is like by touching it. Each blind man feels a different part of the elephant's body, but only one part, such as the side or the tusk. They then describe the elephant based on their limited experience and their descriptions of the elephant are different from each other. In some versions, they come to suspect that the other person is dishonest and they come to blows. The moral of the parable is that humans have a tendency to claim absolute truth based on their limited, subjective experience as they ignore other people's limited, subjective experiences which may be equally true.

The Buddhist text Udana 6.4 contains one of the earliest versions of the story. It is dated to around c. 500 BCE, during the lifetime of The Buddha, although the parable is likely older than the Buddhist text.”

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blind_men_and_an_elephant

Many things can be true at the same time. :)
 

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ScreenOrigami;4296176 said:
Because it’s not the topic of this series? ;)

There is enough to talk about regarding the huge sessions Michael did for each album. Released and unreleased. It could clear up the mystery regarding how much songs there are left to keep his legacy alive. As fans of Michael it’s a hot topic most of us want to know about.
 

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IMWhizzle;4296197 said:
There is enough to talk about regarding the huge sessions Michael did for each album. Released and unreleased. It could clear up the mystery regarding how much songs there are left to keep his legacy alive. As fans of Michael it’s a hot topic most of us want to know about.

But that’s not what this current series is about. Each guest gets to talk about one song they worked on. Why don’t you just enjoy it for what it is? :)
 

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I enjoy watching these videos. But I wonder why there is no talk about unreleased music whatsoever.

Oh for Pete's sake. You're missing the whole point of the series. It's about different people's memories of what it was like to work with Michael and some insights into how one particular song came to be.
 
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