Controversial MJ Documentary Leaving Neverland [GENERAL DISCUSSION THREAD]

[Danja]

Re: Sundance Festival 2019 - Controversial MJ Documentary "Leaving Neverland"

How I feel about all this is constantly changing. I have to admit I was utterly devastated on Friday. And I've been in a bubble since then I can't bare to read these so-called reviews or participate in any discussion regarding it - respect to those that are.

I found a bit of strength in Michael's words and his voice tonight...posting it here in case it may help others to remember how forthright Michael was about his innocence and to remember he was a person.

"The willingness of others to believe and exploit the worst before they have had the chance to hear the truth."

We fight on.

I'm thankful this isn't on news and I refuse to google tabloids or read reviews. I am also thankful for twitter for suspending my account.

 

[Danja]

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Yeah but maybe Diana has Jokers in her hand because of her huge deep knowlage about Michael.
And there is one thing we always speclating about:
Imagine she could reveal that she had an affair with MJ. ;-)
But I know I start dreaming now...

I don't know what's wrong with those women honestly. If I was in any way involved with Michael, I wouldn't wait A SINGLE day to go out in public and defend him. And don't even get me started on Shana Mangatal. She's jumping on every opportunity to write a book, but when she has to defend him, she's silent.

 

[Danja]

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Wade claims MJ raped him at the very first time they met when he was 7 years old. and he continued to rape him until he reached puberty. Now that is a traumatising experience for any child. This is not a teenager boy with sex in his mind. This was a 7 years damn old child who had not even reached puberty when he was being allegedly raped. so how was he 'enjoying' anything? And assuming he enjoyed being sodomized so much, why he never had a sexual experience with other males? How come? not even bi?

That's the only way that he can explain himself now...by saying that he enjoyed it and that he thought it was love.

 

[terrell]

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And why was Michael's music played all over Sundance if you are going to show a doc like this? See, this is BS. I tell ya something else is behind this.

 

[KOPV]

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Hold on, am I reading this right? Did wade ACTUALLY say he was raped and at the time enjoyed it and didnt see it as wrong at the time?

 

[terrell]

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ade claims MJ ​

raped

him at the very first time they met when he wa​

s 7 years old

. and he continued to rape him until he reached puberty. Now that is a traumatising experience for any child. This is not a teenager boy with sex in his mind. This was a 7 years damn old child who had not even reached puberty when he was being allegedly raped. so how was he 'enjoying' anything? And assuming he enjoyed being sodomized so much, why he never had a sexual experience with other males? How come? not even bi?​

In 1993, wade was 12, 13 or 14 on hardcopy and was one of the kids to VOLUNTARY come forward to defend MJ. There was nothing about that kid at the time that gave the impress he was being abuse and trying to cover up something. he was answering question and did not look like a kid trained to cover up sex act.

 

[Blondie]

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Been distancing myself from this for a few days. I see people have seen the doc now etc. I haven't caught anything trending on twitter though? Or on the news page on my iphone? I can't tell if its really gaining any momentum or not. Now I've been reading about it, I feel like it is. ugh

 

[ILoveHIStory]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="sk"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">This FBI memo released after Michael Jackson&#39;s death shows that in Aug 1994 more than 6 months after the Jan 25 1994 civil settlement the LA DA was still considering whether to file charges. Proof that the settlement was not the reason why charges were never filed. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/metoo?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#metoo</a> <a href="https://t.co/zFW4GQZOh7">pic.twitter.com/zFW4GQZOh7</a></p>&mdash; Hammer (@Hammertonhal) <a href="https://twitter.com/Hammertonhal/status/1028000240979378176?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">10. augusta 2018</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="sk"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">He is a disgrace to people who are REAL victims and survivors of sexual abuse and molestation, <a href="https://twitter.com/tajjackson3?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@tajjackson3</a> have you seen this? <a href="https://t.co/qYNcj7jLnJ">pic.twitter.com/qYNcj7jLnJ</a></p>&mdash; &#10024;P.Y.K Pretty Young King&#10024; (@prettyoungking) <a href="https://twitter.com/prettyoungking/status/1089242883067138049?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">26. januára 2019</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="sk"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Victor Gutierrez, the NAMBLA associate and pedophile advocate who started the witch hunt against Michael Jackson needs to finally be exposed. <a href="https://t.co/BfIMgMdNH2">pic.twitter.com/BfIMgMdNH2</a></p>&mdash; Amalie (@BjerreAmalie) <a href="https://twitter.com/BjerreAmalie/status/1089229010196934657?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">26. januára 2019</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="sk"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Dan Reed wants us all to believe a 7-year-old child had a &#8220;fulfilling sexual and emotional relationship&#8221; with a 30-year-old man and enjoyed being molested.<br><br>Is he sponsored by NAMBLA? <a href="https://t.co/wWjDAEYMe7">pic.twitter.com/wWjDAEYMe7</a></p>&mdash; Amalie (@BjerreAmalie) <a href="https://twitter.com/BjerreAmalie/status/1089132055940792321?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">26. januára 2019</a></blockquote>
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[ILoveHIStory]

With these kinds of comments it's like Dan Reed is the actual pedohile here who slobbers over this topic. It doesn't surprise me that the mockumentary is full of explicit sexual description, the worse the better, even though these are just porn acts, it makes it disgusting because it is about child porn, so the viewers would not argue about porn acts cos most of the people are having sex with partners/husbands/wives and toys or just watched a porn movie generally.

That's basically what Victor Guitierrez and NAMBLA tried to promote. They are call themselves "Man-boy love association" and are pushing idea that young boys can have 'fulfilling' sexual relationships with men just like adults.

Dan Reed: Made an anti-pedo movie &#8220;The Paedophile Hunter&#8221;*

Also Dan Reed: A 7 year old child with a 30-year-old man is &#8220;fulfilling sexual relationship&#8221;.

So according to reality, LeavingNeverland is basically a documentary that doesn't actually feature any sort of investigation or research and simply consists of descriptive testimonies by two proven liars in court?

and Dan Reed wants us all to believe a 7-year-old child had a &#8220;fulfilling sexual and emotional relationship&#8221; with a 30-year-old man and enjoyed being molested.

Is he sponsored by NAMBLA?

Dan Reed definitely has issues. He is interested in terrorism, pedophiles, wanted to make a documentary on prostitutes....

 

[somewhereinthedark]

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And why was Michael's music played all over Sundance if you are going to show a doc like this? See, this is BS. I tell ya something else is behind this.

Of course, something else is behind this, as it has always been.

 

[MJJ'slilgrl]

Taj has posted this on Twitter:
"Remember, we have the truth and facts on our side, and we are going to hit them back HARD. Don’t mistake my family’s silence for inactivity. That’s all I can say for now..."

I hope this means that they're planning something very soon.

 

[elusive moonwalker]

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No he did claim in his filings that he was sodomised not only oral sex. The story about sodomy once when he was 14 is new for the documentary along with the underwear with blood and MJ panicking.

Yeah he claimed rape at the beginging. Then changed his story to say only attempted when he realised there would be physical evidence.then they have changed the story again and made up totally new info that was never in the court filings They are making it up as they go along.

 

[ManBehindTheMirrOr - Dona]

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Sometimes its hard to read again and again about all these pedophilla sexual details when you never before occupy yourself with this in your life and never dreamed about that you whould ever do this!
For yonger fans it can be really hard to must read about this when they want follow us to see what is happening after this shocking Documentery ....

 

[elusive moonwalker]

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The pattern that always forms is if one of entitlement from the families imvolved with mj. They get upset when mj starts to distance himself from either the whole family or individuals in it. Then comes the resentfulness and next allegations. Happened with the chandlers arvizos and now this. Yet of course they twist the facts laid out in the depositions such as joy admitting it was her who chased mj and his staff in order to get them to america. Blantent lies to puch a narrative only confirm the agenda of the scum media and of the "perverted" mind of the man who created it

 

[DPW]

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Could turn out to be a blessing in disguise this time the media does not have a hold on the general public like it did in 93 & 05. Everyone has the internet, Facebook & Twitter these days.

 

[elusive moonwalker]

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For anyone who uses twitter perhaps ypu could educate the woman who founded the me too movement as shes as ignorant as everyone else when it comes to the FACTS.

 

[ManBehindTheMirrOr - Dona]

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I think we need some Youtubers with bigger channels who make dayly positive hearttouching MJ Uploads like the oxford speach or the privat home Movies.
We should use one of Michaels most powerful abilty to cause love in peoples heart.
Cause when he is sucessful they want watch more and more videos with him ( we know from this adiciton) like interviews and will start to belive him instead of the lying acusers and haters!
The haters alredy started to bring their negative MJ content and read negative reviews of this documentery.
We should bring content against this and give Miachel a voice.

 

[Staffordshire Bullterrier]

Who told you he never sought fame or money? He wanted a career in showbiz but failed. He clearly blames MJ for his failure in showbiz. Do not forget that it was a burden for a child to be associated with MJ after 1993 and this is exactly what Jason Francia said, that prior to 1993, everyone found it cool that he knew MJ until the allegations broke. Gavin said the same; kids were teasing him after the Bachir documentary. There was no leverage at all in saying that MJ befriended you as a child after 1993 and most probably that was what Jimmy experienced also. People believing he was abused and him having to deny that all the time on top of that He resented him already for "dumping" him. It was so clear from his civil lawsuits that he blames him for all his failures in life. Yes, he did not sell stories to tabloids but Wade also never said anything bad or sold stories about MJ before he was rejected by the estate as a director of MJ One. That triggered it. Bear in mind the fact that MJ was still alive back then, so it seems Jimmy did resent him but not to the degree of accusing him. But, when Wade came out with his allegations, Jimmy thought why not me also? Why is it far fetched to believe money would be a motive? Who told you his mother is not it with him? she claims now that MJ threatened her "I always get what I want" when she refused to let Jimmy join him on tour. Do you believe that? Wanna bet that she never told this to the police when she was interviewed during the 1993 investigation? She was always with Jimmy ALWAYS. Also, from the reviews, they are saying the parents of both Wade and Jimmy had separated because of MJ's presence in their lives. Again another reason to resent him.
Look at the details of Jimmy's allegations; copy past from Victor's book a book based on what supposedly took place between Brett, Mac and Jordan on one hand and MJ. However, both Mac and Brett deny that MJ did anything to them, and Jordan in his interviews with the psychiatrist never mentioned any of the wild claims made in Victor's book and completely denied he was raped. The only accuser who collaborates Victor's claims in his infamous book is Jimmy but they have never got in touch before he wrote his book. So, how he got to know what was MJ allegedly doing to jimmy? telepathy? or a simpler and more sensible answer would be Jimmy created his story around Victor's book. Please keep in mind that it took the lawyers almost 8 months to file his claim. Why when status of limitation was detrimental to his case? Because they were trying to make it work, but it did not. It was even weaker than Wade's.

Money was enough of a motive for MJ's own brother to plot against him when he was at the lowest point in his life and try to get him to sell the Beatles catalogue. Money was motive enough for Mark Lester to come with his story about sperm donation although he was a friend of MJ and never sold stories about him before his death. Don't project. Don't assume that others are not capable of doing things you won't allow yourself to do. Wrong assumptions lead to wrong conclusions.

Wait, sorry for going off topic a bit here. But what's that about his own brother and the Beatles catalogue? I wasn't aware of that.

And why was Michael's music played all over Sundance if you are going to show a doc like this? See, this is BS. I tell ya something else is behind this.

Seriously? Wow, yeah you'd think that if you believe someone truly did that and you have the victims showing a doc there and attending it, that you'd not play his music.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="sk"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">This FBI memo released after Michael Jackson&#39;s death shows that in Aug 1994 more than 6 months after the Jan 25 1994 civil settlement the LA DA was still considering whether to file charges. Proof that the settlement was not the reason why charges were never filed. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/metoo?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#metoo</a> <a href="https://t.co/zFW4GQZOh7">pic.twitter.com/zFW4GQZOh7</a></p>&mdash; Hammer (@Hammertonhal) <a href="https://twitter.com/Hammertonhal/status/1028000240979378176?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">10. augusta 2018</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="sk"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">He is a disgrace to people who are REAL victims and survivors of sexual abuse and molestation, <a href="https://twitter.com/tajjackson3?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@tajjackson3</a> have you seen this? <a href="https://t.co/qYNcj7jLnJ">pic.twitter.com/qYNcj7jLnJ</a></p>&mdash; &#10024;P.Y.K Pretty Young King&#10024; (@prettyoungking) <a href="https://twitter.com/prettyoungking/status/1089242883067138049?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">26. januára 2019</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="sk"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Victor Gutierrez, the NAMBLA associate and pedophile advocate who started the witch hunt against Michael Jackson needs to finally be exposed. <a href="https://t.co/BfIMgMdNH2">pic.twitter.com/BfIMgMdNH2</a></p>&mdash; Amalie (@BjerreAmalie) <a href="https://twitter.com/BjerreAmalie/status/1089229010196934657?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">26. januára 2019</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="sk"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Dan Reed wants us all to believe a 7-year-old child had a &#8220;fulfilling sexual and emotional relationship&#8221; with a 30-year-old man and enjoyed being molested.<br><br>Is he sponsored by NAMBLA? <a href="https://t.co/wWjDAEYMe7">pic.twitter.com/wWjDAEYMe7</a></p>&mdash; Amalie (@BjerreAmalie) <a href="https://twitter.com/BjerreAmalie/status/1089132055940792321?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">26. januára 2019</a></blockquote>
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I had never heard of. NAMBLA, but that's a real thing and this Victor is proven to be part of it?

Taj has posted this on Twitter:
"Remember, we have the truth and facts on our side, and we are going to hit them back HARD. Don’t mistake my family’s silence for inactivity. That’s all I can say for now..."

I hope this means that they're planning something very soon.

I so, so hope so. I see no reason why he would be bluffing about this. There's maybe a legal reason the family is staying so quiet, as in they don't want to give any ammo to these liars perhaps? Hope their answer will be sooner rather than later.

 

[Andymachine]

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This is the most damaging stuff I have seen yet . Especially in the era of the MeToo movement I am stunned to see even the broadsheet newspapers picking this up. So many bad comments. I don't believe it but I believe the Jackson Family are more worried about their "cash cow" being damaged. How come they never are around when other stuff is said. Also I hope this is not the case but I can see a LOT more coming out of this including a boycott of his music which is a shame. Looks like we won't be getting any new MJ material any time soon then. People talk of a rebuttal video but there are already many out there and it is NOT going to help now. That is what the haters will expect . Things unfortunately are different in the MeToo era and unfortunately with that there is a very double edged sword

 

[Lovepeace1]

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So

 

[Lovepeace1]

With these kinds of comments it's like Dan Reed is the actual pedohile here who slobbers over this topic. It doesn't surprise me that the mockumentary is full of explicit sexual description, the worse the better, even though these are just porn acts, it makes it disgusting because it is about child porn, so the viewers would not argue about porn acts cos most of the people are having sex with partners/husbands/wives and toys or just watched a porn movie generally.

That's basically what Victor Guitierrez and NAMBLA tried to promote. They are call themselves "Man-boy love association" and are pushing idea that young boys can have 'fulfilling' sexual relationships with men just like adults.

Dan Reed: Made an anti-pedo movie “The Paedophile Hunter”*

Also Dan Reed: A 7 year old child with a 30-year-old man is “fulfilling sexual relationship”.

So according to reality, LeavingNeverland is basically a documentary that doesn't actually feature any sort of investigation or research and simply consists of descriptive testimonies by two proven liars in court?

and Dan Reed wants us all to believe a 7-year-old child had a “fulfilling sexual and emotional relationship” with a 30-year-old man and enjoyed being molested.

Is he sponsored by NAMBLA?

Dan Reed definitely has issues. He is interested in terrorism, pedophiles, wanted to make a documentary on prostitutes....

I apologize but I am going back to this because this are misunderstanding. unfortunately this type of abuse really exists, in this type of abuse the child and the abuser have a relationship of friendship and love that continues when the abuse has already occurred, perhaps for many this is difficult to understand but in these cases the child it is introduced into the abuses in a consensual manner, without being forced, as if it were a game with a friend, the child has a prior relationship of trust with the abuser, idolizes him, loves him and feels a deep friendship for him, for his the abuser treats him well, takes care of him, shows his support always, is fun with him,
as if he were his best friend.
in this way they both love each other and the child begins to introduce himself in sexual games voluntarily and he isnt forced because he feels that this is not bad , and he does not feel that the abuser is doing something bad.
often the caresses can make them feel pleasure.
This is because the body reaction to any stimulus when it is not violent,
they even may feel pleasure involuntarily, and they enter into a mental contradiction because they feel that they dislike and like them at the same time.
in this type of abuse there are a relationship of love and deep friendship between victim and abuser that they(víctims) perceive as something positive to him, but do not know that it is wrong to make those games with an adult until years later, even then for them it is difficult to count for these reasons because they feel that they participated freely without being forced and because have a good relationship with his abuser. This is what he refers to when he says that they built a relationship of love and sex between children and adult. this really exists. I do not want it to be at Michael's expense but it is something that exists , is a type of child abuse only that people do not understand or know about this

 

[wednesday]

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[MJTruth]

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I don't know if anybody else commented on this already but I watched Friday's Jeremy Vine show (Channel 5) on catchup and to be honest it wasn't as bad as I expected.

They had 3 guests on the panel.

Christopher Biggins made it clear that he wasn't sure about the accusers' motives. (I may be wrong but I think he himself was accused of inappropriate behaviour in the past)
A psychotherapist, and admitted MJ fan was saying that is music should not be boycotted (because of the separating art from the man aspects).
Jeremy Vine said that Radio2 had discussed taking MJ off the playlist from time to time in the past but that his music was just too good to remove.

There were two in-studio audience members interviewed briefly, both of whom said they would continue to play MJ's music.
A caller was put on air who also said she would continue to play MJ's music unless it was proven that he was guilty.

Howeverm there was one of the panel members Nihal from Radio 1Xtra who was certain MJ was guilty and conitnued to question whether there should even be a discussion about withdrawing his music. He thought it should be a given that the music is stopped.

Sadly, when the lady guest mentioned MJ's acquittal in 2005, Nihal said the MJ paid "those boys" off. When she corrected him and said it had gone through a trial and he was acuitted by a jury, Nihal spoke over her and said, no there WAS a settlement. What an idiot. Unfortunately Jeremy Vine also concurred that a settlement is often an indication of guilty, but his general stance was that MJ should not be muted by this.

They made comparisons between other great artists with poor behaviour, such as Shakespeare and an painter (I gorgot his name).
It was nice MJ was compared to other 'great's but it's a shame there was very little discussion about the veracity of the claims, and there was almost an underlying assumption that he was guilty but that we can still enjoy his music.

Overall though, I thought it wasn't too bad. Of course, that was broadcast without knowledge of the actual accusations because the film hadn't been shown at that point. I guess it could have been far worse if it had been aired this morning instead.

 

[wednesday]

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Dan Reed winning a BAFTA award. Let's expose this guy and go after his credibility as a filmmaker! How is his nasty film, which is trivializing child abuse and presenting a one-sided narrative, allowed to be considered a documentary? I agree that he is more than shady. His mockumentary alone proves that he has an agenda. This guy is very sinister.

 

[wednesday]

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Diana ross hasnt shown legitimate support in donkeys years.

She is still hurting...

 

[wednesday]

This FBI memo released after Michael Jackson's death shows that in Aug 1994 more than 6 months after the Jan 25 1994 civil settlement the LA DA was still considering whether to file charges. Proof that the settlement was not the reason why charges were never filed. #metoo pic.twitter.com/zFW4GQZOh7
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He is a disgrace to people who are REAL victims and survivors of sexual abuse and molestation, @tajjackson3 have you seen this? pic.twitter.com/qYNcj7jLnJ
— &#10024;P.Y.K Pretty Young King&#10024; (@prettyoungking) 26. januára 2019​

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Victor Gutierrez, the NAMBLA associate and pedophile advocate who started the witch hunt against Michael Jackson needs to finally be exposed. pic.twitter.com/BfIMgMdNH2
— Amalie (@BjerreAmalie) 26. januára 2019​

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Dan Reed wants us all to believe a 7-year-old child had a “fulfilling sexual and emotional relationship” with a 30-year-old man and enjoyed being molested.

Is he sponsored by NAMBLA? pic.twitter.com/wWjDAEYMe7
— Amalie (@BjerreAmalie) 26. januára 2019​

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This has to be plastered all over social media.

 

[Staffordshire Bullterrier]

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Can someone in the know about this educate me a little on this Victor guy? Is he associated with the director of the doc or with Wade/Jimmy? Because if so, that be huge! If not, what's his part in it?

 

[wednesday]

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Congratulations! The real sexual predators and deviants of Hollywood have, once again, successfully appropriated the #metoo movement and misdirected it against a victim of false and cruel accusations to deflect from their own crimes. And the founder of metoo cheers this on...

Rose McGowan, who was the strongest voice against Harvey Weinstein, was, according to her, not even invited to be on stage at the Golden Globes last year with all the other women who accused Weinstein. Hollywood is fake and there is no true solidarity with real victims. This whole system continues to go on.

 

[dmehta]

I apologize but I am going back to this because this are misunderstanding. unfortunately this type of abuse really exists, in this type of abuse the child and the abuser have a relationship of friendship and love that continues when the abuse has already occurred, perhaps for many this is difficult to understand but in these cases the child it is introduced into the abuses in a consensual manner, without being forced, as if it were a game with a friend, the child has a prior relationship of trust with the abuser, idolizes him, loves him and feels a deep friendship for him, for his the abuser treats him well, takes care of him, shows his support always, is fun with him,
as if he were his best friend.
in this way they both love each other and the child begins to introduce himself in sexual games voluntarily and he isnt forced because he feels that this is not bad , and he does not feel that the abuser is doing something bad.
often the caresses can make them feel pleasure.
This is because the body reaction to any stimulus when it is not violent,
they even may feel pleasure involuntarily, and they enter into a mental contradiction because they feel that they dislike and like them at the same time.
in this type of abuse there are a relationship of love and deep friendship between victim and abuser that they(víctims) perceive as something positive to him, but do not know that it is wrong to make those games with an adult until years later, even then for them it is difficult to count for these reasons because they feel that they participated freely without being forced and because have a good relationship with his abuser. This is what he refers to when he says that they built a relationship of love and sex between children and adult. this really exists. I do not want it to be at Michael's expense but it is something that exists , is a type of child abuse only that people do not understand or know about this

Dont disagree with this, no doubt there ARE cases where a victim protects their abuser.

The difference here is twofold:

- Wade Robson has testified under oath in defence of MJ, having been savagely cross examined by the prosecution. He was asked very specific, graphic questions. He denied them all. It&#8217;s not as if Wade is claiming to have lied to protect Jackson, all the while knowing what happened to him was sexual abuse. He is claiming to not have realised that these supposed acts were abusive. It&#8217;s similar with Jimmy - he has also coincidentally had a &#8220;realisation&#8221; that he was abused, at a similar time to Wade.
- Both of their first actions after having these &#8220;realisations&#8221; was to sue Jackson&#8217;s Estate and companies looking for money. When that failed they moved into a TV documentary.

 

[WildStyle]

Re: Sundance Festival 2019 - Controversial MJ Documentary "Leaving Neverland"

Dan Reed winning a BAFTA award. Let's expose this guy and go after his credibility as a filmmaker! How is his nasty film, which is trivializing child abuse and presenting a one-sided narrative, allowed to be considered a documentary? I agree that he is more than shady. His mockumentary alone proves that he has an agenda. This guy is very sinister.

This kind of stuff makes us look crazy. He's gullable and foolish for sure, but we have no idea if he's "sinister".