Controversial MJ Documentary Leaving Neverland [GENERAL DISCUSSION THREAD]

And to demonstrate all that is being said about journalists re. MJ. here is today's contribution from 'The Guardian' - a UK non-tabloid that prides itself on its stance for human rights and justice: (I've only included the sections relating to MJ, but there is more about the others named in the header.)

R Kelly, Michael Jackson and Bryan Singer. Who knew? Everyone
Beset by allegations of predatory and abusive behaviour – including rape – the film director retains support in the film industry while he continues to bring in the money.

Given the entertainment industry prefers simple messages, forcefully packaged, there’s an inconvenient irony to the latest Michael Jackson documentary landing just as Bryan Singer’s Bohemian Rhapsody continues its grimly disingenuous awards run.
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And so to Jackson, whose wingnut fans believe is currently riding the great ferris wheel in the sky, while his detractors hope he’s strapped to a flaming wheel in Tartarus instead. For those of us who idealise earthly justice, alas, the Leaving Neverland documentary that premiered at the Sundance festival last weekend is likely to be just another piece in a jigsaw whose picture should have been clear decades ago to all but the wilfully blind. Just as there were with R Kelly, unfortunately, there are whole kingdoms-worth of the wilfully blind.

The film, in which two men detail their alleged childhood abuse by Jackson and the endless damage still rippling out from it, was judged so disturbing that its producers made counsellors available in the lobby afterwards. As for the classic patterns of child abuse, shame and fear set out by Wade Robson and James Safechuck, we can only wonder if they will be the latest piece of evidence to cause otherwise perfectly intelligent people to wonder publicly: “Who knew?” Even those bent on posthumously taking him down still afford Jackson a kind of wizard-like mastery. This week, the lawyer for the two men declared that Jackson “was running the most sophisticated child sex operation the world has ever known”.

And yet, was it? There is hiding in plain sight, and then there is literally building a giant fairground in your garden, admitting you sleep with kids, and spending decades fighting and paying off children – always boys, always around the same age – who accuse you of sexual assault. I mean really, WHO KNEW?

The reality, of course, is that a huge number of people had specific knowledge of Jackson’s behaviour and ignored it ultimately because of money. “Sophisticated” is really a comforting euphemism for “expensive”. All of this is about money: who makes it, and why that makes things go away. How much of it Jackson was worth to a record company – Sony – which has incurred precisely zero public censure. How much of it he could throw at lawyers to silence a parade of children accusing him of the same things, in identical patterns. How much of it he could pass to servants, who were financially dependent on him, in order that they continue turning blind eyes to the endless sleepover parties with young boys, while they looked after his own children in some other wing of Neverland.

Who knew? In 1993, Jackson and his team fought the accusations of abuse by the pre-teen Jordy Chandler, right up to the point that the child was able to describe distinctive splotches on Jackson’s buttocks and penis. Following a legally mandated photoshoot of his genital area, Jackson suddenly U-turned and decided to settle for $23m. It goes on. A child cancer survivor; a child bedmate whose book he inscribed “to my rubba rubba boy”. And on, and on, and on.

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https://www.theguardian.com/lifeand...el-jackson-and-bryan-singer-who-knew-everyone
 
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Oh I intensly hope that this will all backfire on the media and they all lose so much reader, follower and suppporter as possible!
I stoped supporting and bying them all after Lady Dis death!
 
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If Michael were still alive, putting aside whether or not these accusations would have even come outif he were, would Wade have been able to even press charges, despite him having already testified in court nothing happened? Could we have seen another criminal trial? What about Safechuck's case?
 
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myosotis: The guardians article was an utter piece of disgusting garbage. I mean, the author clearly has no idea about anything - or the author is just stirring the pot in the loudest way possible.

And Michael is not even alive, I mean, if he were this shitstorm would be of HURRICANE proportions. Its not even possible to imagine how it would have been if Michael was alive. The lynch mob would be out of this world in these METOO days.
 
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If Michael were still alive, putting aside whether or not these accusations would have even come outif he were, would Wade have been able to even press charges, despite him having already testified in court nothing happened? Could we have seen another criminal trial? What about Safechuck's case?

Wade is a big fan of Michael and he still loves him somewhere like most of his fans do.
He had a strong bound with him build over many years
what is a difference between him chandler and aviso.
MJ really was his friend.
He whould not be able to do this to MJ when he whould be still alive. I am absolutly sure.
But the love for money and sucess gets much stronger over the years then the love for his dead friend he can't hurt anymore.

It whould be so great when they found pictures of Wade crying on MJs furnaral!!!
Maybe somone can tell Taj he should look after this.
 
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For What it's worth...
I've heard the estate 's laywers hired a private investigator months ago. Hopefully they will take action soon.
 
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How do people still get the facts wrong? This turd from The Guardian says Jordan was able to describe MJ's private parts. No bitch, no bitch, he wasn't at all. Then the shit about rubba rubba boy, MJ making a u turn with the settlement.

They really, really are this ****ing dumb eh? You gotta wonder what MJ has done to this journalist for him/her to hate him with such a passion. Goddamn pathetic.

And how that article begins about a ferris wheel and about us as fans, I already had enough by then.



YouTube: Robson denied being molested by MJ.

https://youtu.be/kCOiY0r0hRs

He appears incredibly convincing and honest here, very honest. So sad how people can turn around like he did.

Oh and that show host, **** him. What an asshole. He asks if he ever touched him and the people there all go "hahahaha" yeaaaaahhhh, it's surely a huge laughing matter. This host has the nerve to say "yeah but some people are stranger than the other." dude stfu already.
 
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Why keep posting garbage articles. You will drive yourself mad searching out hatred and negativity.
 
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Why keep posting garbage articles. You will drive yourself mad searching out hatred and negativity.

So that fans can go and comment to the authors with videos, Forbes article etc. (if they wish). There are plenty of people commenting 'anti-MJ' agreement on these writers' accounts / newspaper accounts. Some fans do like to counter them, but I appreciate that not all wish to, and certainly not all the time.
(It IS exhausting and demoralising dealing with daily stupidity! Sadly Michael and his family had / have no choice. )

Edited to add: Also, I think it's helpful for fans to see how uninformed / prejudiced these articles are, and that writers' opinions are NOT based on truth :(
 
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Why keep posting garbage articles. You will drive yourself mad searching out hatred and negativity.
You are a little bit right with this...
Lets post something positive.
I don't know if Trailer to Leaving Neverland from HIStory In The Mix was alredy posted here:
https://youtu.be/o6kHPJhA1kk
Besides "Wade Robson and Michael Jackson - The true story", its a very sucessful effective video on Youtube with many clicks.
 
ManBehindTheMirror - Girl;4239441 said:
You are a little bit right with this...
Lets post something positive.
I don't know if Trailer to Leaving Neverland from HIStory In The Mix was alredy posted here:
https://youtu.be/o6kHPJhA1kk
Besides "Wade Robson and Michael Jackson - The true story", its a very sucessful effective video on Youtube with many clicks.

Although this thread is meant to be about 'Leaving Neverland' and reactions across the world to this fakeumentary and the media coverage arising from it. There are tons of excellent threads here for more positive MJ discussions.


Edited to add: There is some fun to be had by responding to the negative posts on Twitter. eg I love this fan's response to Gayle King:

Fan Response: Yeah, and I just watched ALL FOUR hours of The Return of The King. It was powerful, compelling and I cried at the end. My heart goes out to Frodo Baggins. Thank you for sacrificing everything in order to destroy the One Ring.

Gayle King
Just watched ALL FOUR hours of Leaving Neverland.. powerful, compelling & a game changer for those who have been afraid to speak up of child sex abuse . My heart goes out to Wade Robson &…
 
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I just dont think its healthly surrounding yourself in negative articles and tweets.if ppl want to comment on articles of course thats a good thing to defend mj so maybe just post the link and not the full article but Sometimes you just need to step away from the screen once in a while or you will drive yourself mad and be consumed by it and you will make it seem 100 x bigger than it is.
 
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I know we're talking about the media here but I honestly hoped a little after his acquittal and his death that at least a few media outlets would be more objective. HOW, how do they keep going for the same bullshit tricks? It takes a few seconds of a Google search to find out that the description of the private parts was anything but accurate.

This is shit I would expect from The Sun, but The Guardian who apparently isn't a tabloid.... how? Seriously there should be more laws that forbid this. Let these goddamn journalists stop with blatant lies, proven lies and report on actual facts. Because there are readers that eat this up.
 
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The mainstream media all hate mj. I remember during 03/05 the telegraph which is a broadsheet (non tabloid) high end paper ran stories from the national enquirer and mj converting to islam and marrying 5 women. The guardian is a left wing paper so you would think if any might be abit more fair in reporting it might be then but over the years they have written some god awful fake news stories. The problem with the uk press is they are all run by middle class establishment public school boys with an agenda. They all hate mj with a passion
 
Staffordshire Bullterrier;4239446 said:
I know we're talking about the media here but I honestly hoped a little after his acquittal and his death that at least a few media outlets would be more objective. HOW, how do they keep going for the same bullshit tricks? It takes a few seconds of a Google search to find out that the description of the private parts was anything but accurate.

This is shit I would expect from The Sun, but The Guardian who apparently isn't a tabloid.... how? Seriously there should be more laws that forbid this. Let these goddamn journalists stop with blatant lies, proven lies and report on actual facts. Because there are readers that eat this up.

And since this is how they treat the Michael Jackson story them how much can you trust them then it comes to reporting about other things in general? I don’t want to be overdramatic and cry ”fake news” but actually atleast a VERY one sided way of reporting and they leave out everything that dosn’t fit the story and print some things which is completely wrong because that does fit the story and have they just not been doing research or are the doing in on purpose?
 
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The mainstream media all hate mj. I remember during 03/05 the telegraph which is a broadsheet (non tabloid) high end paper ran stories from the national enquirer and mj converting to islam and marrying 5 women. The guardian is a left wing paper so you would think if any might be abit more fair in reporting it might be then but over the years they have written some god awful fake news stories. The problem with the uk press is they are all run by middle class establishment public school boys with an agenda. They all hate mj with a passion

Left-wing/right-wing - that is not the demarcation line.
 
La74;4239449 said:
And since this is how they treat the Michael Jackson story them how much can you trust them then it comes to reporting about other things in general? I don’t want to be overdramatic and cry ”fake news” but actually atleast a VERY one sided way of reporting and they leave out everything that dosn’t fit the story and print some things which is completely wrong because that does fit the story and have they just not been doing research or are the doing in on purpose?

Yes, and how is the Guardian left-wing when they sh*t on Julian Assange, an editor, thus sh*tting on press freedom. Don't kid yourself.
 
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When it comes to painting Michael Jackson as a child molester, contrary to every piece of evidence, let's call out the press and media for what they are:

CONSPIRACY THEORISTS
 
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Yes, and how is the Guardian left-wing when they sh*t on Julian Assange, an editor, thus sh*tting on press freedom. Don't kid yourself.

The guardian got loads of leaks from wiki.glenn greenwald wrote many articles revealing info. Do they have a new editor.

Class in the uk is very much like race in the U.S so while of course we expect all the media to crap on mj. There are some papers you expect to crap on mj more than others. (Sorry for the definition!) Ie the daily fail is right wing racist xenaphobic and every other isim you can think of so you expect such a paper to act like that. But if you had any hope of some fairness you would expect it of a leftwing socialist, social justice type paper. Thats what you would normally expect but of course the norm goes out of the window when it comes to mj.
 
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myosotis: The guardians article was an utter piece of disgusting garbage. I mean, the author clearly has no idea about anything - or the author is just stirring the pot in the loudest way possible.

And Michael is not even alive, I mean, if he were this shitstorm would be of HURRICANE proportions. Its not even possible to imagine how it would have been if Michael was alive. The lynch mob would be out of this world in these METOO days.
If MJ was alive, these idiots would never have done this. These fools would still be praising MJ. MJ died thinking these liars were his friends.
 
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The mainstream media all hate mj. I remember during 03/05 the telegraph which is a broadsheet (non tabloid) high end paper ran stories from the national enquirer and mj converting to islam and marrying 5 women. The guardian is a left wing paper so you would think if any might be abit more fair in reporting it might be then but over the years they have written some god awful fake news stories. The problem with the uk press is they are all run by middle class establishment public school boys with an agenda. They all hate mj with a passion
MJ drives their money up. That is more behind it.
 
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Again I have to say I'm very surprised. Each time I would see his show on TV and he talked to people I just said to myself "sure man, even I could have come up with those answers and advice." and I think I started to have even more disbelief when the "Cash me ousside" girl came on and became such a ridiculous hype.

I had no idea about these very serious cases you spoke of just now. I was quite wrong about the guy then. This reminds me a little of a Oprah episode years ago. She had a group of men in the show that had been set free by a new mayor I believe. These guys had been behind bars for a long long time, all the while being innocent as can be. At that time I really respected Oprah for having those men there. Her being on a yacht with David Geffen and for her birthday watching that mockumentary is just plain sick, that's a Oprah I can never respect.

It looks like this man at least does his research and isn't some kind of sheep like all the media people right now. If he were to do some proper research on MJ and cover that in his show, that be fantastic.
I think Gayle goes where the wind blows in her views. I hope oprah don't. At Quincy celebration on BET, Oprah was dancing and singing to MJ's song Neyo sung and everyone got on their feet when they talked about MJ working with Q.
 
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The media has never been "research filled and accurate", not just with MJ but other areas. I follow soccer big time and you should have seen the reactionary, click-baity type articles that came out after the US failed to qualify for the FIFA World Cup. It is so annoying because these guys are paid to "search for the truth" but they instead "search for what sells".
 
How is this FICTION allowed to stay up? Its the source for the Guardians crap story from today.

That bogus fact is the only evidence that "exists," which says it all. SLANDER & LIBEL all over the place. Its disgusting, sad and horrific.


"Jordy Chandler, Jackson’s first accuser, gave detectives a detailed description of Jackson’s genital area, including distinctive “splotches” on his buttocks and one on his penis. The boy’s information was so accurate he was able to locate where the splotch moved to when Jackson’s penis became erect and the fact that he was circumcised. Jackson was brought in and his genitals duly photographed. Soon after this shoot (surely one of the stranger photo sessions endured by the singer) was matched up to Chandler’s description, Jackson suddenly agreed to settle Chandler’s civil claim out of court for somewhere north of $20m (£12.2m)".


https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...l-jackson-bad-and-very-dangerous-1731258.html
 
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The jordan chandler description story of his penis is the most recycled 'comeback' those who think Michael was guilty use..

It would be nice to have an mj fact sheet for dummy's. We could send a link and it points the the small summary of the truth with source link included.

I just spent 30 minutes going back and forth with someone about it, and I was saying it did not match and they said it did.. I explained what happened, and they just repeat themselves. Lol. Very frustrating
 
Lightbringer;4239465 said:
How is this FICTION allowed to stay up? Its the source for the Guardians crap story from today.

That bogus fact is the only evidence that "exists," which says it all. SLANDER & LIBEL all over the place. Its disgusting, sad and horrific.


"Jordy Chandler, Jackson’s first accuser, gave detectives a detailed description of Jackson’s genital area, including distinctive “splotches” on his buttocks and one on his penis. The boy’s information was so accurate he was able to locate where the splotch moved to when Jackson’s penis became erect and the fact that he was circumcised. Jackson was brought in and his genitals duly photographed. Soon after this shoot (surely one of the stranger photo sessions endured by the singer) was matched up to Chandler’s description, Jackson suddenly agreed to settle Chandler’s civil claim out of court for somewhere north of $20m (£12.2m)".


https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...l-jackson-bad-and-very-dangerous-1731258.html
That lie. First, if the picture would have matched, that ALONE could have been used even if Jordan would not want to testify (Also, that could have been used for grand jury which who threw the case out -which is rarly done since grand juries are DA tools to use). The STATE would still prosecute the case. Second, MJ was NOT circumcised which is Documented in MJ's death report as well. This is clear Jordan did NOT see MJ but he was given to say that since most men especially Jewish men, are circumcise. Someone needs to email this dumb paper with the facts.
 
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The jordan chandler description story of his penis is the most recycled 'comeback' those who think Michael was guilty use..

It would be nice to have an mj fact sheet for dummy's. We could send a link and it points the the small summary of the truth with source link included.

I just spent 30 minutes going back and forth with someone about it, and I was saying it did not match and they said it did.. I explained what happened, and they just repeat themselves. Lol. Very frustrating

People do that; but in truth, they know u are right. If so, copy my comment above and post it to that stupid poster you spoke to. he/she does not know what they are talking about or the law.
 
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