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Controversial MJ Documentary Leaving Neverland [GENERAL DISCUSSION THREAD]

The fact that the haters are purposely being obtuse about the train station story let’s me know the fans have hit a goldmine.
They went from James confusing the train station to his house to saying James meant the barn when Dan clearly shows pictures of the train station.
They know the fans are getting deeper and finding more of their lies.
KOPV;4252593 said:
I personally feel like people need to give Janet a break, I am actually happy she has not responded to this crap yet.. Janet speaking would only do 2 things.1. Give the media headlines to use her words against her, highlighting how 'of course she defends her brother'.. They would turn her honest thoughts to a idiotic family opinion that has to say what she does just to protect the Jackson image, The Estate, and her career.. They'll just twist it!2. It would give the doc free publicity, her speaking is a verbal billboard to millions that have not cared enough to listen yet.. I would say, it would be best for her to speak when all air dates are a thing of the past (people wont tune in to watch it), and it would be nice if she 'slam dunks' her statement with a fact like the train station story.. That would get people to google THAT story and see the blatant lie instead of looking for the doc.
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after seeing what happened to Paris, I understand why most haven’t spoken yet.
I don’t know if it’s true but she didn’t perform and it may have something to do with HBO.
Also if she didn’t know the facts about their lies I would prefer her not to speak. She can’t defend Michael’s innocence because that’s her brother and she knows his heart.
 
KOPV said:
I personally feel like people need to give Janet a break, I am actually happy she has not responded to this crap yet.. Janet speaking would only do 2 things.1. Give the media headlines to use her words against her, highlighting how 'of course she defends her brother'.. They would turn her honest thoughts to a idiotic family opinion that has to say what she does just to protect the Jackson image, The Estate, and her career.. They'll just twist it!2. It would give the doc free publicity, her speaking is a verbal billboard to millions that have not cared enough to listen yet.. I would say, it would be best for her to speak when all air dates are a thing of the past (people wont tune in to watch it), and it would be nice if she 'slam dunks' her statement with a fact like the train station story.. That would get people to google THAT story and see the blatant lie instead of looking for the doc.
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My thoughts exactly. Thanks
 
john13th said:
Is there a full transcript of LN that I can read? Now I have a dear friend of mine who apparently has watched it and believes those liars. He wanted to send condoleances to me about the shock and sadness if I have seen it. I have refuted with sending Debunking Neverland, Wade Robson The Real Story, news about the train station and Grand Canyon, facts about the trial, police and FBI-investigation, Wades relationship with Brandi, mentioned about those dismissed lawsuits and their appeal and article about Disbelieving Neverland. He said that he will watch those clips before changing opinion. He also said at the same time you cannot direct this so good documentary and these victims (as he claims they are) are the best actors if they are lying. Why would they expose themselves for the sake of money he asks. He challenges me to see the film so that I become aware and see the "truth". I don't want to see it as it is emotionally manipulative but instead it would be better for me to read a transcript of it. Or what do you guys think I should do?
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It's scary how emotional manipulation can work when there are factual evidence out there about what they say "so convincingly" are lies. I mean what does it matter if they LOOK convincing, if what they are saying isn't true?

Anyway, if that's his main point ("they are convincing") maybe you can send him this video as well (disclaimer: it's hard to watch), specifically addressing their credibility through their conduct only (it's not done by fans and it only analyzes their behaviour, not the factual contradictions). Very interesting viewing showing that what can be seen "genuine" on the surface is actually more a sign of faking it. So no, they are NOT THAT convincing at all if you look into it deeper.


His addition in the comment section is very informative as well. For me it was especially interesting what he says about Safechuck's smirks, that some considered inappropriate in the context of abuse but even I thought it can be simply a sign of embarrassment/discomfort. Now here's his insight on that:

Some in this comment section have suggested it's due to embarrassment, but if he were embarrassed he would blush, avert eye contact, become jittery in his posture etc.
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The same person did a video on the editing/multiple takes in LN as well:


a lot of people would miss the implication of multiple takes - the effort to try and get a strong acting performance that's actually dishonestly spliced together to appear like a natural flow of dialogue.
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It would be great if your friend could reconsider what he saw as good directing and convincing behaviour can actually be manipulation and acting, in order to achieve the exact same effect he experienced during watching it.
 
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I really don't care if Janet says anything or not. It won't make much difference. I just don't think I could appear on the network that just labeled my brother a pedophile. I understand it's a tricky situation for her, but that's just the way I feel.
 
WildStyle said:
I really don't care if Janet says anything or not. It won't make much difference. I just don't think I could appear on the network that just labeled my brother a pedophile. I understand it's a tricky situation for her, but that's just the way I feel.
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Larry Fieldman was Janet's lawyer after he extorted money from her brother. Everything is business for certain people. But if she said anything we would have another round of vicious media attack against MJ.
 
There is no reason for Janet to say anything at or during her induction. It isn't breaking news that his sister would support him so it isn't going to move the needle at all on this issue.

You know it is real easy for us to sit out here and proclaim what the family should or shouldn't be doing. They are living it every day in a way we can't imagine. We have no idea what is going on behind the scenes. Taj himself said that Janet would make her voice heard in her way at the right time.
 
I don't know if anyone has noticed but IMDB has not provided any updated reviews to LN since early March. I have sent one and I know others that have and they are not showing up.
 
does anyone know what the date is for this legal quote is from? Wade stated this, I just can't find the original doc it came from... He was presented this quote in court as a rebuttal to his current claims but I don't know where the cross examiner got it from... "It came time to go to bed and my sister and I asked if we could 'Please, Please' stay with Michael. Michael said it was okay with him if it was okay with my parents."Katherine Kleindiens presented that quote to wade asking him if he remembered writing that.. of course he said he doesn't remember..
 
Tunisian fans are invited the biggest radio in Tunisia to talk about LN.
Today, 5pm.
 
ksat9;4252594 said:
after seeing what happened to Paris, I understand why most haven’t spoken yet.
I don’t know if it’s true but she didn’t perform and it may have something to do with HBO.
Also if she didn’t know the facts about their lies I would prefer her not to speak. She can’t defend Michael’s innocence because that’s her brother and she knows his heart.
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About Janet, Yes, she didn't give hbo a performance nor she gave the channel an exclusive interview as the other inductees of the RHOF. Her motive absolutely has to do about the LN fiasco. I thought it was a badass move and she even mentioned her brothers being inducted in 1997. It was exactly what she had to do: Get her award and pay dust to the channel.


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KOPV said:
does anyone know what the date is for this legal quote is from? Wade stated this, I just can't find the original doc it came from... He was presented this quote in court as a rebuttal to his current claims but I don't know where the cross examiner got it from... "It came time to go to bed and my sister and I asked if we could 'Please, Please' stay with Michael. Michael said it was okay with him if it was okay with my parents."Katherine Kleindiens presented that quote to wade asking him if he remembered writing that.. of course he said he doesn't remember..
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Page 14 of this pdf https://themichaeljacksonallegationsblog.files.wordpress.com/2018/06/wade-robson-deposition-extracts.pdf
 
john13th said:
Is there a full transcript of LN that I can read? Now I have a dear friend of mine who apparently has watched it and believes those liars. He wanted to send condoleances to me about the shock and sadness if I have seen it. I have refuted with sending Debunking Neverland, Wade Robson The Real Story, news about the train station and Grand Canyon, facts about the trial, police and FBI-investigation, Wades relationship with Brandi, mentioned about those dismissed lawsuits and their appeal and article about Disbelieving Neverland. He said that he will watch those clips before changing opinion. He also said at the same time you cannot direct this so good documentary and these victims (as he claims they are) are the best actors if they are lying. Why would they expose themselves for the sake of money he asks. He challenges me to see the film so that I become aware and see the "truth". I don't want to see it as it is emotionally manipulative but instead it would be better for me to read a transcript of it. Or what do you guys think I should do?
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ROBson and SafeCHECK have been suing the Estate for several years now, and back then in 2014, court documents were made public with all those graphic allegations of sex abuse. I saw those documents at the time and did not believe a word of it. Nothing new now! It's just in video format. You know they are lying. Leaving Neverland may be emotionally manipulative to many, but not to me since I know it's all bollocks, a slanderous piece of child porn fiction.

You know it's all false allegations of grooming and sex abuse, so watching won't change your mind; you may watch it if you want to debunk it yourself. I don't know if I should link it here, but last I checked, it was still on Vimeo (Leaving.Neverland.2019.E01 & Leaving.Neverland.2019.E02). It's all nonsense! ROBson: "Michael Jackson was obsessed with Britney Spears." Nonsense! A whole bunch of exaggerations and sensationalism.

They're all in on it (many lies and inconsistencies have now been debunked), and all they want is tarnish Michael Jackson's name, image, brand and pervert his art and legacy for generations to come, so we have to keep fighting and exposing those vile monsters, and I curse them all!
 
The interview by Trapson with Brandi was great. I really like how genuine she is, you just see she's speaking the truth and it's no acting. Unlike those two fake victims.

At one point she says she never noticed any weird behavior from Wade after these alleged acts of abuse, and she sure as hell would have noticed something. She did notice when something was off and the shithead was cheating on her with Britney. Good lord dude, you're with a woman this lovely and you cheat on her? Sigh.
 
Something really weird going on when I use the On the go version of MJJC. I can't see to the bottom of the page, seems to be stuck. It's fine in the full version.
 
Staffordshire Bullterrier said:
The interview by Trapson with Brandi was great. I really like how genuine she is, you just see she's speaking the truth and it's no acting. Unlike those two fake victims.

At one point she says she never noticed any weird behavior from Wade after these alleged acts of abuse, and she sure as hell would have noticed something. She did notice when something was off and the shithead was cheating on her with Britney. Good lord dude, you're with a woman this lovely and you cheat on her? Sigh.
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I can't be the onlyone that noties Michael Trapston asking 'fan questions' that were not in the chat.. lol! "what's your favorite Michael Trapston song?" lol!!
 
MJLife;4252583 said:
Disagree.

Big Michael and Janet fan here; this whole thing puts her in a very precarious position from a PR standpoint.

What you want from her (an explicit, pulpit endorsement of her brother) would literally pour fuel on the flames and would be exactly what feeds the negative headlines.

She clearly supports her brother, performs 'Scream' all the time (with his vocals), and has made her position on him clear several times. But is it fair of her to walk into the firing line to get brownie points for doing so?

Let's keep it 100, she's the most relevant Jackson alive and in many ways is carrying the contemporary torch for what the family represents. Her going down in flames during such a sensitive social climate (after the media storms she's already face e.g. Super Bowl) doesn't help her (and all she's personally worked hard for) or the Jackson legacy (by proxy).

I say she should continue to do her, perform Scream, and give the subtle nods she does to show her support.

Her still standing in such a ruthless industry is the ultimate win -- for her and the Jackson legacy overall.
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Thank you for saying this I agree completely.

I don’t believe she’s performed a show since the doc actually aired. I really hope she leaves it in the setlist for her upcoming Vegas residency and her set at Glastonbury festival in the UK.

There will be headlines about it either way. “Janet performs Scream following blah blah blah”

Or

“Janet removes Scream from her setlist following LN....”
 
Bink said:
I regularly Google 'Michael Jackson'. Today is the first time since this all broke when the main stories have not been negative. The current stories are either about the claims being debunked or people defending Michael. Is it too early to wonder if the tide is turning?
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No, it is going to get better. I told yall people are going to dissect this trash. People are reading the facts (and I think most people do care about the facts or just want MJ to be left alone and rest). Again, haters want to hate and there are people who just want to keep drama because this is a hot topic now. I can point out these types of posters. They do not care about the issue but just want to keep drama going). BTW, got my Macy's shirts in the mail today. THEY ARE BEAUTIFUL.
 
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KOPV said:
I can't be the onlyone that noties Michael Trapston asking 'fan questions' that were not in the chat.. lol! "what's your favorite Michael Trapston song?" lol!!
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Hahaha yeah, but it's possible that was a legit question. Or the one about if she was married, hahaha. I get it though, she's beautiful. Trapson is a good dude, cracked me up when he said he was ready to throw hands at Wade too, lol.

elusive moonwalker said:
Same. I think its the youtube vid that was posted. Its kinda frozen the screen
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Yep. New page and it's fine again. Nice!

terrell said:
No, it is going to get better. People are reading the facts (and I think most people do care about the facts or just want MJ to be left alone and rest). Again, haters want to hate and there are people who just want to keep drama because this is a hot topic now. I can point out these types of posters. They do not care about the issue but just want to keep drama going). BTW, got my Macy's shirts in the mail today. THEY ARE BEAUTIFUL.
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Now we need a picture of the shirts :)
 
Word Smith Sr said:
Does it mean she now believes that Wade and James are liars ? Or maybe too many thumbs down ?
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She is catching it. See how we can research and find the evidence of these liars. She could have done the same and u can believe many folks especially civil right leaders told her she was WRONG. Her creditability is hurt and if u look people even with the opening of the APPle are bring up her association with Weinstein yet jumping on this trash.
 
AG5050;4252613 said:
Thank you for saying this I agree completely.

I don’t believe she’s performed a show since the doc actually aired. I really hope she leaves it in the setlist for her upcoming Vegas residency and her set at Glastonbury festival in the UK.

There will be headlines about it either way. “Janet performs Scream following blah blah blah”

Or

“Janet removes Scream from her setlist following LN....”
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What Janet is doing now is the right way. She will have her moment. if she does anything, it would just be done to get the headlines and money. When these liars get more and more epose, that will be the best time for her to speak to put more attention on the lies. Some things is timing.
 
I was angry at Janet a few weeks ago, but hey, I changed my mind
Like we say in french, "l'indifférence est le meilleur des mépris" ("Indifference is the worst form of contempt", I guess ?)
 
Staffordshire Bullterrier said:
Some fans are now tweeting Dan Reed with facts. Why, why, whyyyyyy? All they are doing now is help his filthy cause.
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I agree but at the same time, the only thing he can do is show his lies and backpaddle which will reveal even more he is a liar. when truth is on your side, u have to do nothing.
 
Staffordshire Bullterrier said:
Hahaha yeah, but it's possible that was a legit question. Or the one about if she was married, hahaha. I get it though, she's beautiful. Trapson is a good dude, cracked me up when he said he was ready to throw hands at Wade too, lol.



Yep. New page and it's fine again. Nice!



Now we need a picture of the shirts :)
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Honey, I am still trying to learn how to download pictures on these computers. LOL. I have the one with the Thriller album cover; my favorite one when he is wearing the brown leather jacket with his thumb in his pocket posing sideway; and the one when he was performing "Beat it" like the poster in Black or White video" that fell down in the scene.​
 
Greetings again from Atlanta,

Yesterday, I was at Walmart, and I saw Michael Jackson t-shirts. I got one, had to grab it. I performed "You Rock My World" and "Human Nature" during karaoke last night. So happy for Janet now that she's in the Rock 'n Roll Hall of Fame. I'm glad she just show up, got her award and split. She knew what she was doing.
 
terrell said:
Honey, I am still trying to learn how to download pictures on these computers. LOL. I have the one with the Thriller album cover; my favorite one when he is wearing the brown leather jacket with his thumb in his pocket posing sideway; and the one when he was performing "Beat it" like the poster in Black or White video" that fell down in the scene.​
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Ah yes, that's definitely a great picture. I have a very cool cartoon This is it Thriller shirt from London. I think I'll wear that during the Jackson event on August 24th in Holland this year. I might want to wear a shirt with **** Wade and James, not sure yet.
 
terrell;4252616 said:
She is catching it. See how we can research and find the evidence of these liars. She could have done the same and u can believe many folks especially civil right leaders told her she was WRONG. Her creditability is hurt and if u look people even with the opening of the APPle are bring up her association with Weinstein yet jumping on this trash.
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We should never embrace Oprah again. It would be a mistake to forget it all and embrace her again, subscribe to her channel, her magazine, follow her, etc. We need to cancel and mute her forever! What she did to MJ is unconscionable and abysmal—words cannot express.
 
This wedding ring scene with Safecheck, when was that filmed? I know and heard it was filmed 17 months after the main interview hence the different furnitures and different background but which month and year? If this was a crucial scene of evidence, why did they wait so long and why wasn't this part of the main interview? I want to make a point about this to my friend who is convinced by LN.
 
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