'Dance Lessons for writers' ....article by Zadie Smith, 29 Oct 16 (UK)

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It was good to read an article in the Guardian (UK non-tabloid newspaper) today, where she talks about the influence of dancers on her writing. She writes about Fred Astaire, Gene Kelly, Harold and Fayard Nicholas, MJ and Prince, Janet Jackson, Madonna and Beyoncé, David Byrne and David Bowie, Rudolf Nureyev and Mikhail Bryshnikov.

The magazine article is illustrated, among other photos, by a great full-page photo of MJ dancing in Smooth Criminal :)

I've posted the 'MJ and Prince' section below. The reminder of the article is at the link.

Dance lessons for writers.
From Fred Astaire’s elegance to Beyoncé’s power, Zadie Smith is inspired by dancers as much as she is by other writers.

Michael Jackson and Prince

On YouTube you will find them, locked in many dance-offs, and so you are presented with a stark choice. But it’s not a question of degrees of ability, of who was the greater dancer. The choice is between two completely opposite values: legibility on the one hand, temporality on the other. Between a monument (Jackson) and a kind of mirage (Prince).

But both men were excellent dancers. Putting aside the difference in height, physically they had many similarities. Terribly slight, long necked, thin-legged, powered from the torso rather than the backside, which in both cases was improbably small. And in terms of influence they were of course equally indebted to James Brown. The splits, the rise from the splits, the spin, the glide, the knee bend, the jerk of the head – all stolen from the same source.

Yet Prince and Jackson are nothing alike when they dance, and it’s very hard to bring to mind Prince dancing, whereas it is practically impossible to forget Jackson. It sounds irrational, but try it for yourself. Prince’s moves, no matter how many times you may have observed them, have no firm inscription in memory; they never seem quite fixed or preserved. If someone asks you to dance like Prince, what will you do? Spin, possibly, and do the splits, if you’re able. But there won’t appear to be anything especially Prince-like about that. It’s mysterious. How can you dance and dance, in front of millions of people, for years, and still seem like a secret only I know? (And isn’t it the case that to be a Prince fan is to feel that Prince was your secret alone?)

Prince's shows were illegible, private, like the performance of a man in the middle of a room at a house party

I never went to see Michael Jackson, but I saw Prince half a dozen times. I saw him in stadiums with thousands of people, so have a rational understanding that he was in no sense my secret, that he was in fact a superstar. But I still say his shows were illegible, private, like the performance of a man in the middle of a room at a house party. It was the greatest thing you ever saw and yet its greatness was confined to the moment in which it was happening.

Jackson was exactly the opposite. Every move he made was absolutely legible, public, endlessly copied and copyable, like a meme before the word existed. He thought in images, and across time. He deliberately outlined and then marked once more the edges around each move, like a cop drawing a chalk line round a body. Stuck his neck forward if he was moving backwards. Cut his trousers short so you could read his ankles. Grabbed his groin so you could better understand its gyrations. Gloved one hand so you might attend to its rhythmic genius, the way it punctuated everything, like an exclamation mark.

Towards the end, his curious stagewear became increasingly tasked with this job of outline and distinction. It looked like a form of armour, the purpose of which was to define each element of his body so no movement of it would pass unnoted. His arms and legs multiply strapped – a literal visualisation of his flexible joints – and a metallic sash running left to right across his breastplate, accentuating the shift of his shoulders along this diagonal. A heavyweight’s belt accentuated slender hips and divided the torso from the legs, so you noticed when the top and bottom half of the body pulled in opposite directions. Finally a silver thong, rendering his eloquent groin as clear as if it were in ALL CAPS. It wasn’t subtle, there was no subtext, but it was clearly legible. People will be dancing like Michael Jackson until the end of time.

But Prince, precious, elusive Prince, well, there lays one whose name was writ in water. And from Prince a writer might take the lesson that elusiveness can possess a deeper beauty than the legible. In the world of words, we have Keats to remind us of this, and to demonstrate what a long afterlife an elusive artist can have, even when placed beside as clearly drawn a figure as Lord Byron. Prince represents the inspiration of the moment, like an ode composed to capture a passing sensation. And when the mood changes, he changes with it: another good lesson.

There’s no freedom in being a monument. Better to be the guy still jamming in the wee hours of the house party, and though everybody films it on their phones no one proves quite able to capture the essence of it. And now he’s gone, having escaped us one more time. I don’t claim Prince’s image won’t last as long as Jackson’s. I only say that in our minds it will never be as distinct.

https://www.theguardian.com/books/2016/oct/29/zadie-smith-what-beyonce-taught-me
 
Very good read.
If someone so much as kicks their leg a certain way it will remind you of Michael.
Michael knew the power of imagery and iconography VERY well.
Not only is Thriller the most iconic choreo ever, but Michael's individual dance moves are the most iconic moves that any artist has ever done.
 
You can tell this was written by a hard core Prince fan. I think the case with Prince is that he simply wasn't a dancer. Yes, he did some moves, splits etc. but that's not really the level that MJ danced on. That's why there is no distinctive Prince style in dancing, not because of some sort of mysterious "elusiveness" IMO.
 
You can tell this was written by a hard core Prince fan. I think the case with Prince is that he simply wasn't a dancer. Yes, he did some moves, splits etc. but that's not really the level that MJ danced on. That's why there is no distinctive Prince style in dancing, not because of some sort of mysterious "elusiveness" IMO.
I agree, I picked up on that too.
The last thing I'd call Prince is an "excellent dancer", and since he's passed away I've noticed that people are/have been trying to revise history to put Prince above Michael or make Michael out to be a lesser to Prince, which always earns a side-eye from myself, LOL.
I tried to focus on the positives of the article though. :yes:
 
You can tell this was written by a hard core Prince fan. I think the case with Prince is that he simply wasn't a dancer. Yes, he did some moves, splits etc. but that's not really the level that MJ danced on. That's why there is no distinctive Prince style in dancing, not because of some sort of mysterious "elusiveness" IMO.


It's clear their main man is Prince, which is fine, but not when you have to make extreme reaches like this. What I noticed is that the author stated that perhaps it was better to be elusive and compared it to long lasting legacies of other elusive people,as though that would make them be remembered more. Basically that whole section was to once again claim Prince was better and has a longer lasting legacy than Michael. Even though she claimed that wasn't what she was saying, that's exactly what she said.

Many Prince stans just don't want Michael to be special or great. This was a very passive aggressive section of the article.
 
Many Prince stans just don't want Michael to be special or great.

True.
And there are quite a few fanbases along with Prince stans/fans where the majority of the fanbase seems to be made of MJ haters, and those fanbases have one thing in common, which is that their faves are great/really good but not quite on the same level as MJ overall.
The jealousy is real.
 
True.
And there are quite a few fanbases along with Prince stans/fans where the majority of the fanbase seems to be made of MJ haters, and those fanbases have one thing in common, which is that their faves are great/really good but not quite on the same level as MJ overall.
The jealousy is real.

What other stan bases are that? I'm most familiar with Prince stans issues.
 
What other stan bases are that? I'm most familiar with Prince stans issues.
Right off the top of my head I can't remember them, LOL.
The fanbases are pretty obvious with their hate/jealously though.
The only ones I can think of right now are Prince and Beyonce fans/stans.
Everyone has different experiences, but I personally find that out of all the fanbases the majority of the hate/jealousy comes from them.
And you know what, it's not really just the hating that gets on my nerves.
What really gets on my nerves is when they diminish Michael's accomplishments to make their own respective faves look better.
It's next level petty, and shows that their faves aren't really as good as they think they are.

Edit: However not all Prince and Beyonce fans are MJ haters.
Some of them are quite nice and respect MJ, I just find that those kinds of Prince and Beyonce fans are far and in between LOL.
 
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