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Dangerous Short Films are currently being upscaled to 4K on YouTube!

mjfp said:
Will You Be There is a lot better than the other ones, looks more like a remastered tape transfer, instead of a PS2 game. Could‘ve just ditched the AI altogether tho
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AI usually does better remastering concert footage than film footage imo.
 
Mister_Jay_Tee said:
I'll give ya something to have night terrors about
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Still nothing on Youtube. Had to watch it again a few times before it gets AI bulldozed.
 
Topaz recently updated their Astra video upscale model. No way to tell what exact models the estate is using though.
 
mjfp said:
That's AI as well. Sourced from the Moonwalker DVD, basically a 480p film scan which is better quality than 480i/p tape
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The 4:3 Moonwalker DVD is very likely not from a native 480p film scan.
By the early 2000s, films were already telecined in HD, then downscaled to 480 for DVD.
I Think that’s why AI upscaler were able to recover the details so well in this video.

Visually, there is a real difference between a DVD whose source is higher resolution and a DVD whose source is natively SD.
A downscale does destroy some detail, but usually far less than using a SD master directly.
 
MJ_Fame said:
The 4:3 Moonwalker DVD is very likely not from a native 480p film scan.
By the early 2000s, films were already telecined in HD, then downscaled to 480 for DVD.
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I said the DVD is basically/looks like a 480p film scan, not that a 480p scan was used as source.
MJ_Fame said:
Visually, there is a real difference between a DVD whose source is higher resolution and a DVD whose source is natively SD.
A downscale does destroy some detail, but usually far less than using a SD master directly.
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Scanning in HD vs SD for a DVD shouldn‘t make any difference to the overall picture quality of the DVD as the format‘s resolution remains at SD. Restoration can benefit from a higher input resolution tho
 
wonderouzmj said:
So...........the estate has NO reels??????????? Other than beat it & thriller???? TF MAN!
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All the short films for Dangerous & HIStory were edited on tape, and therefore, they only have a tape master. The short films for Thriller (minus BJ) and Bad (minus MITM & I think APOM? the credits in Liberian Girl were the only thing done on tape for that short film) were all edited on film and have a 35mm master.
 
apple🍎 said:
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Thanks for that - I wasn't sure.

Always struck me as a wasted opportunity - why invent ASL when other sign languages had already existed for 200 years? It could even have been a chance to invent/adopt a sign language for worldwide use, instead of just for people who speak English.

Anyway, did anybody ever try to learn that passage? Remember the way Thriller set a Guinness World Record for the most dancers? I could imagine WYBT setting a record for the mist signers...
 
archonten said:
All the short films for Dangerous & HIStory were edited on tape, and therefore, they only have a tape master. The short films for Thriller (minus BJ) and Bad (minus MITM & I think APOM? the credits in Liberian Girl were the only thing done on tape for that short film) were all edited on film and have a 35mm master.
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Pitou World restored a 35mm print of the HIStory Teaser to 4K. If you look closely, It's a full-frame shot, without that 16:9 aspect ratio crop. Perhaps there's another short film after Bad that was edited in 35mm. I still can't believe BOW was edited onto film with John Landis directing.
 
I have ordered the timeless vidéo anthology blu-ray from mjdvdshop with all short films am quite satisfied with the results quality Full hd has it someone else
 
mjfp said:
I said the DVD is basically/looks like a 480p film scan, not that a 480p scan was used as source.

Scanning in HD vs SD for a DVD shouldn‘t make any difference to the overall picture quality of the DVD as the format‘s resolution remains at SD. Restoration can benefit from a higher input resolution tho
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That’s actually incorrect.

A DVD encodes the master it is given; it’s not just a “resolution limit.”
A DVD made from a downscaled HD telecine will look noticeably better than one made from a native SD master, even though both are 480.

HD downscaling can preserve fine structure and grain that do not exist in native SD masters, which is exactly why the Moonwalker DVD upscales so well.

The rule is: the better the original, the better the result, no matter what process you put the material through.
 
MJ_Fame said:
That’s actually incorrect.

A DVD encodes the master it is given; it’s not just a “resolution limit.”
A DVD made from a downscaled HD telecine will look noticeably better than one made from a native SD master, even though both are 480.

HD downscaling can preserve fine structure and grain that do not exist in native SD masters, which is exactly why the Moonwalker DVD upscales so well.

The rule is: the better the original, the better the result, no matter what process you put the material through.
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If you’re comparing SD masters to HD-derived downscales, I agree with you. HD-sourced DVDs usually look better because most native SD masters were compromised by SD-era telecine limits, filtering, chroma blur, or DNR. In that case, better source = better result.

Where I disagree is in the ideal case, which is what I meant in my previous comment. If it’s the same 35mm film and you do a proper, lossless 35mm to 480p scan versus a proper, lossless 35mm to 1080p scan downscaled correctly to 480p, there’s no inherent visual advantage. Both end up as the same 480p signal if nothing is filtered or altered.

So the benefit of HD to SD isn’t that DVD “holds more detail”, it’s that it avoids damaged SD masters. That’s also why something like Moonwalker upscales well.

We were both talking about two different scenarios but I definitely should‘ve been more clear about what I meant. What I meant at the very beginning was just that the DVD basically is a 35mm restored film scan in it‘s full frame aspect ratio, which is at a standard definition resolution and was upscaled with an artifcial intelligence upscaling model to 2160p.
 
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