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Evidence of Other Doctors in Michael Jackson's Death
12/14/2010 1:00 AM PST by TMZ Staff



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Certain items found in the room where Michael Jackson died could help shape Dr. Conrad Murray's defense -- namely, that other docs were medicating Michael.


Sources connected with the case tell TMZ ... evidence in the room suggests certain potent drugs were "prescribed and prepared" for MJ to self-medicate.

As we first reported, Dr. Murray's team will not challenge the L.A. County Coroner's finding that Jackson died of a massive Propofol overdose. But as we told you, Murray's team will present evidence in the doc's manslaughter case that Michael awakened, then gave himself the fatal dose of Propofol when Murray left the room.

We're told Murray's team hasn't decided if it will use the evidence found in the room to implicate other doctors in Jackson's death. But we do know Murray's legal team will present evidence during the trial that the fruits of Jackson's notorious doctor shopping over two decades wore his body down.

The rep for Dr. Murray's lawyer refused comment.


This article makes no sense, since all the doctors were cleared.. and there was nothing in the room that was in his system. All the stuff MJ had in him was given to him by Murray. I guess Murray realizes he's screwed so he's coming up with everything. And if Murray knew his patient was 'worn down' why the hell didn't he tell AEG that MJ couldn't tour? This defense is wack as hell. If this is his defense then the prosecution will eat them alive. Mind you Murray told Randy Phillips and Kenny Ortega that MJ was in good health so now suddenly Murray is going to claim he was worn down?? ( LOL...)
 
already posted in the TMZ thread at the top of the page
 
yes, Brian Oxman said last saturday that we will be shocked at what will come out of this hearing of the overprescribing doctors have done to michael. he said that what we've heard so far is just the tip of the iceberg.

he also said that the family hasn't even recieved the police records yet, but murray's team has!

Oxman also says that they say it is "still an ongoing investigation" but it really doesn't seem like they're doing anything! and even though there is "overwhelming evidence", they don't seem to want to bump the charges......

"Lies run sprints, but the truth runs marathons"

last thing, even though there is overprescribing, based on the full to halfway used bottles found in Michael's home, looks like he still wasn't taking all those overprescribed medication. the media and others is making it seem like Michael was taking EVERYTHING those doctors were giving him.

But we do know Murray's legal team will present evidence during the trial that the fruits of Jackson's notorious doctor shopping over two decades wore his body down.
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and oxman made a comment pertaining to that. just because others doctors gave michael whatever they wanted, does not mean murray can do the same thing.

and wore his body down?? excuse me, show us evidence in michael's three-four hour physical that his body was worn down. show us evidence in the autopsy report that his body was worn down! there is evidence that he WAS NOT consuming all those medications!!

Really makes me angry how people can just ignore that. Is the media stupid? Or are they just devils and want to burn his name in "drug addict" lies? I think it is the second.
 
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Will we be able to read the transcriptions of the trial? It would be an interesting read.
 
Oxman is clueless.. I don't see how overprescribing by other doctors will be an issue since they were never charged for that. They were all cleared. And Mike didn't die of overprescribed meds from other doctors, he died from propofol intoxication administered by Murray. Murray is on trial not the other doctors. I doubt he will be able to bring them up since he never spoke to any of them about his patient's health. If he was so concerned with MJ's 'other' doctors he should've investigated them and MJ before accepting MJ as a patient. I doubt if Murray even looked at MJ's medical records. Most physicians do that before accepting new patients.
 
StacyJ said:
Certain items found in the room where Michael Jackson died could help shape Dr. Conrad Murray's defense -- namely, that other docs were medicating Michael.

Sources connected with the case tell TMZ ... evidence in the room suggests certain potent drugs were "prescribed and prepared" for MJ to self-medicate.
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I don't think what suggests TMZ could be a valid argument since the medication found was neither that potent, not so dangerous, and were definitely not "prepared" for any self-medication that could have had any contributory factor to the death.

If we remember the medical evidence shown in AR, the medications prescribed by others doctors were not so many (it wasn't even completed...).

Prescribed by Metzger:
- Clonazepam 1mg. (for anxiety). Issued in April. Out of 30 tablets, 8 remained.
- Trazadone 50mg. (Antidepressant, also for sleep problems). Issued on 18th April. Of 60 tab, 38 remained. (2 at bedtime if need).

Prescribed by Klein:
- Tizandine 4mg. (Muscle relaxant). Issued on 7th J. Of 10 tablets, 8 remained. (1/2 at bedtime).
- Zanaflex 4mg. (Muscle relaxant). 4Tablets prescribed on 6th Nov 2008. (from 1/s to 1 at bedtime).
- Prednisone10mg. 10 tab (immunosuppressant med, used to treat inflammatory diseases (skin, articulations...) Issued on 25-April-09.

Dwight /Cherilyn Lee:
- Amoxicillin 500mg. (Antibiotic). Date of prescription: 02-02-09.
- Azithromycin 250mg. (Antibiotic) Issued on 09-03-09. Out of 6 tablets, 2 remained. (Directions: 2 tab 1st day, 1 for 4 days).
 
i won't be surprised if Oxman is working with Murray's defense team ! Oxman is trying his best to free Murray and make him look like a victim !
 
smoothlugar said:
I don't think what suggests TMZ could be a valid argument since the medication found was neither that potent, not so dangerous, and were definitely not "prepared" for any self-medication that could have had any contributory factor to the death.

If we remember the medical evidence shown in AR, the medications prescribed by others doctors were not so many (it wasn't even completed...).

Prescribed by Metzger:
- Clonazepam 1mg. (for anxiety). Issued in April. Out of 30 tablets, 8 remained.
- Trazadone 50mg. (Antidepressant, also for sleep problems). Issued on 18th April. Of 60 tab, 38 remained. (2 at bedtime if need).

Prescribed by Klein:
- Tizandine 4mg. (Muscle relaxant). Issued on 7th J. Of 10 tablets, 8 remained. (1/2 at bedtime).
- Zanaflex 4mg. (Muscle relaxant). 4Tablets prescribed on 6th Nov 2008. (from 1/s to 1 at bedtime).
- Prednisone10mg. 10 tab (immunosuppressant med, used to treat inflammatory diseases (skin, articulations...) Issued on 25-April-09.

Dwight /Cherilyn Lee:
- Amoxicillin 500mg. (Antibiotic). Date of prescription: 02-02-09.
- Azithromycin 250mg. (Antibiotic) Issued on 09-03-09. Out of 6 tablets, 2 remained. (Directions: 2 tab 1st day, 1 for 4 days).
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Exactly... that stuff is harmless.. There is nothing potent there and none of those meds were found in MJ's system when he died. Murray is screwed. He was the only one administering propofol and that's what MJ died from along with all the other potent stuff he was administering such as Benzo's like Valium.. If anything Murray was the only prescribing and administering potent drugs to MJ
 
kasume said:
yes, Brian Oxman said last saturday that we will be shocked at what will come out of this hearing of the overprescribing doctors have done to michael. he said that what we've heard so far is just the tip of the iceberg.
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7 doctors have already been investigated due to their prescription practices. No criminal evidence has been found about them.

Plus they aren't implicated in Michael's murder.

Let me give you an example : A man is walking down a street, somebody comes up and beats him , he's hurt but he still continues to walk. 10 minutes later another man comes and shots him and he dies. So who is responsible for the death? The second man. The first man can be charged with assault at most.

In other words even though other doctors might be over prescribing to Michael if what they gave didn't contribute to his death, they can't be charged with his murder.

he also said that the family hasn't even recieved the police records yet, but murray's team has!
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and why would the family even receive those records? This case is "state of california against Murray". so the only people who are to receive any findings is the DA and Murray.

Sometimes I even wonder if Oxman actually got a law degree.

last thing, even though there is overprescribing, based on the full to halfway used bottles found in Michael's home, looks like he still wasn't taking all those overprescribed medication. the media and others is making it seem like Michael was taking EVERYTHING those doctors were giving him.
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exactly. this is alone is enough to shut down any argument from Murray's team.


Really makes me angry how people can just ignore that. Is the media stupid? Or are they just devils and want to burn his name in "drug addict" lies? I think it is the second.
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well the media has family, friends and Oxman (who on the day Michael died announced him to be an addict) that feeds them addict in denial stories.
 
He got his law degree out of a bubble gum machine. Oh and the doctor shopping thing is that really a good idea seeing how a majority of the pills in Michael's home came from ole Conrad himself?
 
How could any other doctors be investigated after being cleared unless Oxman is trying to push the cops into reviewing their findings? I don't get it.
 
Justthefacts said:
He got his law degree out of a bubble gum machine. Oh and the doctor shopping thing is that really a good idea seeing how a majority of the pills in Michael's home came from ole Conrad himself?
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exactly and the potent drugs that he used such as valium, propofol and versed was much much worse than the other meds prescribed by other doctors. I believe TMZ just made this crap up or either Murray's lawyers are stupid
 
smoothlugar said:
I don't think what suggests TMZ could be a valid argument since the medication found was neither that potent, not so dangerous, and were definitely not "prepared" for any self-medication that could have had any contributory factor to the death.

If we remember the medical evidence shown in AR, the medications prescribed by others doctors were not so many (it wasn't even completed...).

Prescribed by Metzger:
- Clonazepam 1mg. (for anxiety). Issued in April. Out of 30 tablets, 8 remained.
- Trazadone 50mg. (Antidepressant, also for sleep problems). Issued on 18th April. Of 60 tab, 38 remained. (2 at bedtime if need).

Prescribed by Klein:
- Tizandine 4mg. (Muscle relaxant). Issued on 7th J. Of 10 tablets, 8 remained. (1/2 at bedtime).
- Zanaflex 4mg. (Muscle relaxant). 4Tablets prescribed on 6th Nov 2008. (from 1/s to 1 at bedtime).
- Prednisone10mg. 10 tab (immunosuppressant med, used to treat inflammatory diseases (skin, articulations...) Issued on 25-April-09.

Dwight /Cherilyn Lee:
- Amoxicillin 500mg. (Antibiotic). Date of prescription: 02-02-09.
- Azithromycin 250mg. (Antibiotic) Issued on 09-03-09. Out of 6 tablets, 2 remained. (Directions: 2 tab 1st day, 1 for 4 days).
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thanks for this info. keep forgetting to save it when it gets posted.


yes, Brian Oxman said last saturday that we will be shocked at what will come out of this hearing of the overprescribing doctors have done to michael. he said that what we've heard so far is just the tip of the iceberg.
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LOL what like minelli said we would be shocked about the A.R. if u believe a word oxman says considering all the crap he came out with on the 25th juneand beyond u will believe anything.and last time i looked a prelime is a prosecutional tool. the pros would hardly come out and say mj was dr shopping. thats a defence tool
 
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elusive moonwalker said:
thanks for this info. keep forgetting to save it when it gets posted.
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Sorry, it might be that I am tired now, but I don't get your point. I don't know if you're being sarcastic or not.

I know the info of the medicines prescribed by other doctors and found in MJ residence is posted everywhere and it is in AR, but since some fans still think that AR doesn't give that info (simply because they got access to a shorter publication of it), I considered it worthy insisting on that.
 
Those medicines were nothing compared to what Murray was giving MJ.. I would also like to know if Murray was aware of MJ's past admission of dependence on painkillers? is he going to play dumb? If someone came to him as a doctor asking for propofol as a sleep aid did he even question that? according to Chernoff Murray 'had no idea that he would be dealing with that drug propofol'.. now does Chernoff think we all fell off the turnip truck?

You mean to tell me Dr Murray took a job making 150,000 per month and he had no idea what he was going to be dealing with? I find that to be highly unlikely.
 
Sorry, it might be that I am tired now, but I don't get your point. I don't know if you're being sarcastic or not.
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all im saying is thanks for posting that info about what was found. ive read it many times on the boards and once in the AR (could only read the first part once) but always forget to save it to my comp to look up when u need to remember what was found.
 
I don't know how Michael's drug history can help Murray here as he's not being judged for over-prescribing medicines to Michael. If it was the case, then it would be helpful to him to show that several other doctors also over-prescribed meds to Michael. It's not the case though. He's being judged for giving an overdose of Propofol to Michael that killed him. So imo, even if he has evidence Michael was abusing prescription meds, it won't change the fact Michael died of overdose of Propofol.
 
kissybissy said:
I don't know how Michael's drug history can help Murray here as he's not being judged for over-prescribing medicines to Michael. If it was the case, then it would be helpful to him to show that several other doctors also over-prescribed meds to Michael. It's not the case though. He's being judged for giving an overdose of Propofol to Michael that killed him. So imo, even if he has evidence Michael was abusing prescription meds, it won't change the fact Michael died of overdose of Propofol.
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right.. I doubt Murray will find another doctor that will agree with him in using propofol as a sleep aid.
 
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Will Murray have other doctors testify?

Do you all think Murray will get any other doctors to testify that they gave MJ propofol for sleep? would help or hurt him?
 
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I don't think it will help him, because even if other doctors gave Michael propofol he didn't die on their watch. if anything it would only show what an irresponsible and unprofessional doctor Murray is.
 
Re: Will Murray have other doctors testify?

JMie said:
I don't think it will help him, because even if other doctors gave Michael propofol he didn't die on their watch. if anything it would only show what an irresponsible and unprofessional doctor Murray is.
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that is what I was thinking too. I could see the other doctors saying that they had all the right equipment and they monitored MJ at all times, something Murray didn't do. I would think it would be bad for him in that case. Also from what I've heard a lot of other doctors think Murray was reckless for what he did, so having other doctors on the stand saying what a reckless doctor he is can't bode well for him.
 
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they will testfiy if they are paid and they are.and they will say what they want him to say. just like the dr who atacked mj during the anna nicole case. im sure the defence were ringing him up straight away
 
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elusive moonwalker said:
they will testfiy if they are paid and they are.and they will say what they want him to say. just like the dr who atacked mj during the anna nicole case. im sure the defence were ringing him up straight away
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hopefully the judge won't allow crap like that. Murray isn't on trial for prescribing to an addict, he's on trial for involuntary manslaughter.
 
I listened to TMZ Live 12/14 about this topic.. Im just saying what THEY said now. Take it for what it is.

""They said he was propofol addict. Going to doctors offices to doctor offices getting propofol for thin reasons, like an acne problem. There is evidence (that they know of) that will come out in the trial where you are going to see MJ agressively looking around for doctors and he DID self inject, but the issue is did he also self inject propofol? There is evidence. Michael liked to push (meaning self inject), there was a sensation, some ppl actually like doing that. He had the means to do it but they are not saying he did it. Murrays burden is only to create a reasonable doubt, the prosecution has to show beyond reasonable doubt. Murray might just need to prove to the jury that Michael may have done it (self inject) and that is probably going to be enough. They have been told there is evidence in that room that seems to show there might have been other healthcare professionals may have prescribed or have prepared medication for Michael and IF thats the case and MJ is taking it up on himself it supports Murrays case. Murrays lawyers just needs to get some reasonable doubt and there are tons of evidence that MJ could have self injected. ""

So according to TMZ there are evidence MJ apprantly self injected other medications and Murray just now needs to get his point to the jury that MJ could have self injected propofol too. He just only needs tp make the jury thinks thats a possibility and that would answer why the amounts he said he gave to MJ doenst match the autopsy.

**** Murray, he is grasping for straws.. desperate.. I know Klein is SCUM but cant the prosecution maybe call him to say MJ was afraid of needles and would never self inject.
 
hey have been told there is evidence in that room that seems to show there might have been other healthcare professionals may have prescribed or have prepared medication for Michael and IF thats the case and MJ is taking it up on himself it supports Murrays case.
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eh? what are they are on about. below is what was found in mjs house. nothing to do with diprivan or self injecting.they were all tablets talk about desperate.


Prescribed by Metzger:
- Clonazepam 1mg. (for anxiety). Issued in April. Out of 30 tablets, 8 remained.
- Trazadone 50mg. (Antidepressant, also for sleep problems). Issued on 18th April. Of 60 tab, 38 remained. (2 at bedtime if need).

Prescribed by Klein:
- Tizandine 4mg. (Muscle relaxant). Issued on 7th J. Of 10 tablets, 8 remained. (1/2 at bedtime).
- Zanaflex 4mg. (Muscle relaxant). 4Tablets prescribed on 6th Nov 2008. (from 1/s to 1 at bedtime).
- Prednisone10mg. 10 tab (immunosuppressant med, used to treat inflammatory diseases (skin, articulations...) Issued on 25-April-09.

Dwight /Cherilyn Lee:
- Amoxicillin 500mg. (Antibiotic). Date of prescription: 02-02-09.
- Azithromycin 250mg. (Antibiotic) Issued on 09-03-09. Out of 6 tablets, 2 remained. (Directions: 2 tab 1st day, 1 for 4 days).
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Murray, he is grasping for straws.. desperate.. I know Klein is SCUM but cant the prosecution maybe call him to say MJ was afraid of needles and would never self inject.
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ontop of ppl like mark lester and the irish dr. i guess this is the only defence they have. we have known for a while they will do this. its gonna get as nasty as feck

like to see who murray will call to the stand *yawn*guess all this is based on mjs trips to klein. u know the ones where he somtimes took his kids! funny how all of this is trying to push away the fact he was giving someone dip outside of a hospital seeing with no equipment and either spent 45 mins after injecting talking on the phone or even worse was sat talking on the phone while injecting him. hes guilty cause mj should have never been in a position to self inject in the first place.

Michael liked to push (meaning self inject), there was a sensation, some ppl actually like doing that. H
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nothing stated in medical boards about that. the mental addiction comes from the sensation of waking up and then re injecting an waking up again a few mins later. nothing what so ever to do with insomnia and i guess murrays has loads of presciption evidence of other drs prescribing diprivan to mj then! yeah thought not! if mj was so good at it why was murray hired!

He had the means to do it but they are not saying he did it.
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uhh yes they are. or they have no evidence to say he did it ie no prescriptions showing mj had the stuff in his house but just want to put the theory out there into the jurrors heads.

and lets not even start with the A.R.
 
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Vici said:
I listened to TMZ Live 12/14 about this topic.. Im just saying what THEY said now. Take it for what it is.

""They said he was propofol addict. Going to doctors offices to doctor offices getting propofol for thin reasons, like an acne problem. There is evidence (that they know of) that will come out in the trial where you are going to see MJ agressively looking around for doctors and he DID self inject, but the issue is did he also self inject propofol? There is evidence. Michael liked to push (meaning self inject), there was a sensation, some ppl actually like doing that. He had the means to do it but they are not saying he did it. Murrays burden is only to create a reasonable doubt, the prosecution has to show beyond reasonable doubt. Murray might just need to prove to the jury that Michael may have done it (self inject) and that is probably going to be enough. They have been told there is evidence in that room that seems to show there might have been other healthcare professionals may have prescribed or have prepared medication for Michael and IF thats the case and MJ is taking it up on himself it supports Murrays case. Murrays lawyers just needs to get some reasonable doubt and there are tons of evidence that MJ could have self injected. ""

So according to TMZ there are evidence MJ apprantly self injected other medications and Murray just now needs to get his point to the jury that MJ could have self injected propofol too. He just only needs tp make the jury thinks thats a possibility and that would answer why the amounts he said he gave to MJ doenst match the autopsy.

**** Murray, he is grasping for straws.. desperate.. I know Klein is SCUM but cant the prosecution maybe call him to say MJ was afraid of needles and would never self inject.
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that emphasis on "TECHNICALLY to cure his insomnia" really stood out. and noticed how this doctor avoids a question and just goes directly to AEG/sony and money

There was another longer interview where this doctor said even more. (Where he even mentions that HE HAS EVIDENCE MICHAEL DID NOT WANT PROPOPFOL WITHOUT AN ANESTHESIOLOGIST) But he's still keeping quiet until the trial actually comes. I truly fear for him...he must stay safe.
 
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But he's still keeping quiet until the trial actually comes.
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i doubt the prosecution are even aware of him. someone on FB should ask him if hes been in contact with the D.A
 
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