MEGA article: Rating Michael Jackson’s Albums

[Snow White luvs Peter Pan]

He CAN have an opinion.

That opinion can be total sh1t though.

I'd add thst it can be questioned, debated, disagreed and labeled as it fits based on rational arguments.

 

[Ms. BlueGangsta]

Even the "keeping-it-real"guys have their biases, all of us have our biases in some way or another. So don't claim to be ballanced, being objective and "keeping-it-real" with being rude, offensive, cynical and arrogantly dismissive towards MJ and/or the things you don't like about him or his artistry. I'd lie if I told I like everything Michael released, I don't and I have no problem expressing it but I truly believe you can do so with RESPECT to Michael and his work because most of it is stellar without recurring to those negative attitudes I mentioned earlier.

Agreed.

Love your siggy BTW.

 

[Ms. BlueGangsta]

Psychoniff has a tendency of misinterpreting my posts. I don't know if it is deliberateor he really has reading comprehension problems but I told him today that he is gonna be ignored by me from now on, so he is now trying to poke me to react to him. LOL.

Just saw this (I must've missed it scrolling too fast at first), and I'm sure it's deliberate
They're a known troll, and if I can remember correctly they got unbanned not to long ago.
As for ignoring people, I have quite a few people on ignore because I got tired of seeing the dumb shit they would post. :rofl:

 

[HumbleBee]

I mean...it's his opinion I guess.

7-dangerous

Dangerous [Michael Jackson, 1991]
The promotional campaign for this album was so long (two whole years) that all of my earliest memories are soundtracked by its singles. In fact, my earliest proper, fully formed memory is the premier of the Black or White video on Top of the Pops. So, on a personal, nostalgic level it has a special place inside me. As I grow older, I am less enamoured with it. I remember reading that Jackson said that the song he was most proud of writing was Heal The World. Really? That horrible, simplistic, We Are The World re-write? We Are The World was total shit in the first place, why would you want to do another without the novelty of all the celebs? Elsewhere, the album is most noted for its New Jack Swing elements, courtesy of Teddy Riley. Some of them – Jam, Remember The Time – work brilliantly. Others – Can’t Let Her Get Away, She Drives Me Wild – feel more like filler. The best moments on the album are in the second half, particularly Who Is It?, which sounds like some sort of sequel to Billie Jean. This was his first album without the mastery of Quincy Jones, and it does show. Where in the past there was a push and pull between the two of them for modern sounds (MJ) and classic arrangements (QJ), now it is Jackson surrounded by a bunch of young producers who grew up with him as their idol. I still love the majority of it, and it is probably the last time that he was really “Michael Jackson”, but Janet’s Rhythm Nation 1814 is the superior Jackson-meets-New Jack Swing album.

Wtf? No.
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[Psychoniff]

That's not what she said at all. And respect 77 is one of the most well-liked and respected members on MJJC, definitely NOT a troll.

Well I see exactly why on an eco-chamber like this, by his annoyed about the man's opinion (NOT fact....OPINION) regarding MJ's music, why Respect is so popular around these parts.

Mj fan tears are some of the most salty it taste great on fish and chips.

 

[Psychoniff]

It's all about point of reference.....

It really boils down to in consensus, when a person first became a fan of Michael which determines which album during his adult solo career they find to be his best.

If that person became or watch MJ's career occur from 1979-1984, they are either going to say OTW or Thriller was his best album.

if that person became a fan of his during the late 80s, that person is going to say BAD was his best album.

if that person became a fan of his during the early 90s, that person is going to say DANGEROUS was his best album.

if that person became a fan of his during the mid 90s, that person is going to say HISTORY was his best album.

and if we are to be honest.....

most of his black fans are going to say OTW or Thriller was his best.

most of his white fans are going to say BAD, DANGEROUS, or HISTORY was his best

this has been consistent throughout.

Nothing but the #truth, but let the backlash begin....

 

[Hulkamaniac]

If that person became or watch MJ's career occur from 1979-1984, they are either going to say OTW or Thriller was his best album.

most of his black fans are going to say OTW or Thriller was his best.

most of his white fans are going to say BAD, DANGEROUS, or HISTORY was his best

are you 10 years old or what? this argument is so basic and dumb :doh:

have you thought that maybe, just maybe, some people from all races and ages like OTW more than Dangerous cause is more funky, disco and has elements that Dangerous does not have?

 

[Snow White luvs Peter Pan]

Whoever wrote that article, it's not a genuine review. It was just an excuse to spout bullshit, nonsense and
pissing people off in the process.

Brian Cox is a physicist but this quote of his applies in many kinds of discussiona and debates since opinions are hold so dearly here.

"The problem with today&#8217;s world is that everyone believes they have the right to express their opinion and have others listen to it. The correct statement of individual rights is that everyone has the right to an opinion, but crucially, that opinion can be roundly ignored and even made fun of, particularly if it is demonstrably nonsense."

 

[Bringing Brighter Days]

are you 10 years old or what? this argument is so basic and dumb :doh:

have you thought that maybe, just maybe, some people from all races and ages like OTW more than Dangerous cause is more funky, disco and has elements that Dangerous does not have?

This is why I said consensus and most of the time

There's always an exception to the rule

 

[ChrisC]

I didn't take it seriously after the comment about MJ 'not moving on'.

Same garbage I've been reading in mainstream media for 20 years.

 

[KOPV]

Heal The World is beautiful! and yes it's 'simplistic'.. Anthems are supposed to be, by design to reach it's broadest audience for a common message.

 

[Nite Line]

Heal The World is beautiful! and yes it's 'simplistic'.. Anthems are supposed to be, by design to reach it's broadest audience for a common message.

Exactly. Never understood the criticism for Heal The World.

 

[The_Payback]

Hey ya'll!

Writer of the article here - Shaun Ponsonby. I say "article", it was more something I just tossed off for fun and handed to a fairly popular site in the UK who had been badgering me for content (I didn't get paid for it, so I didn't put too much effort into it - I did the same thing for Alice Cooper on the same site).

Somebody turned me on to the fact that I was getting royally slagged off for having a difference of opinion on here. And so I had a look. Boy, he was right. I didn't give it much thought. It's not the first MJ argument I've had.

But here we are, a few months down the line. And after having a massive night out I started searching for some old pictures that I uploaded back when I was a mod on MaxJax (Oh, yeah! - according to many of you, I'm not a real fan, despite being a mod on Maximum Jackson in its heyday, and staging MJ tribute club nights in my home town), I stumbled upon this thread again.

Firstly - a popular criticism of my criticism: The reason the Jackson 5 Christmas album is so far ahead of HIStory is that it achieves everything it sets out to, whereas imo HIStory doesn't. It isn't trying to be a big artistic statement, it's just a Christmas album. But it's probably the 2nd best Christmas album ever made (after the Phil Spector one)

I've picked out a few choice comments

Clearly to me; this was written by Quincy Joney fan and semi MJ hater

I admire Quincy, for sure. I'd be a fool not to. What a career. But I honestly don't think I've knowingly bought anything he has done outside of MJ. Also, I placed ABC ahead of Thriller, so your theory kinda breaks down there, doesn't it?

Yet another article pretending to be from an MJ fan, just to have dozens of digs at him. Probably a Prince fan in disguise.

I am a Prince fan too. In fact, last Boxing Day (Dec 26th for non-UK citizens) I staged an event called Michael Jackson Vs Prince, in which we only played the two of them. Why would I pretend to be an MJ fan? What would I achieve from doing that?

Even in introduction he said that he doesn't like MJ because of MJ fans.

It's a shame this thread couldn't prove me wrong, isn't it?

His criticism on the fan base is 100% accurate.

EDIT: Good God, some of you people are so touchy. People calling him an idiot for his opinion? Yes, perhaps some of his language and vocabulary was excessive, but he's upfront and honest with it. I can see exactly where he's coming from with every criticism he gives, even if I disagree with it. It's ASTOUNDING that the thought process here seems to be, "Someone else has an opinion that differs from mine? He's/She's an idiot! I have an opinion that differs from someone else's? Don't call me an idiot! It's only my opinion!"

I would understand the anger if this was a clear non-fan... but this man openly acknowledges SO MANY positives about both Michael and his albums. And his criticisms are no different than anyone else's (Invincible isn't great, some of his live performances kinda sucked) - the only difference is that he doesn't water down his language like many do out of fear of being yelled at.

Some of the fan base is becoming as insufferable as the Beliebers in that regard. And that is a HIGH bar to reach, folks.

This person knows! Thank you! A rare sane comment!

Ha! The Amazing Little Steven. Made my day to see this quoted.

Good times.

T-Bone! We carried MaxJax for years, ya'll! We never did meet up. Mulleno and I still see each other loads, you should join us some time!

The guy to me comes across as sounding a bit arrogant.

Well, its a good job nobody else in this thread does, isn't it?!

Oh, wait...

As for anyone that thinks they can attack his fan base, labelling them with one broad swipe, well they can go to hell. Their opinions warrant the same disdain as dog's mess I happen to pick up on my shoe.

Generalisations are just that. People are individuals. But much of this thread is just proving my point, and I'm kinda dumbfounded that so many people have so little self-awareness.

I also can't get with this strawman argument that all MJ fans are delusional.

Oh, please, do point to the bit where I said ALL MJ fans are delusional. No, really...I'll wait. Oh, that's right! I didn't! I said "a large section". Not all!

He must have copy&pasted it from some Joe Pereles article.

Wow, just wow. That about an artist who could convey emotions like hardly anyone else since he was 10. Who made people cry and lose their minds when listening to him. Okay.

I neither know nor care who Joe Pereles is. Also, it is pretty much agreed that he didn't know what he was singing about when he was 10, despite moving people to tears. Nobody knows how he did it. That was the point I was making.

The guy sounds like a pretentious, misinformed, asshole TBH.

A prententious person wouldn't put ABC and the Jackson 5 Christmas album so high. They'd lap up HIStory, in fact. Also, you're way more misinformed about me than I am about MJ.

Someone said in this thread earlier that they knew this guy they are friends with him and he is bascially deliberately provocative. So maybe we aren't even dealing with someone who wants to express an honest, genuine opinion, but someone who just wants to provoke and piss off other fans,

I've never met Tony in the flesh, I know him from MaxJax. This article wasn't written for MJ fans, it was written for a general audience. I knocked it together for fun and gave it to a non-profit blog that had been asking me for content. Believe it or not, not everybody in the world is a Michael Jackson fanatic.

One thing I found noticeably telling about this guys rankings, is how, on many of the lesser-known Jacksons/J5 releases - many of which he ranked over the likes of HIStory, BOTD and Invincible - he actually talks very little about the actual music.

Albums at that time were based on the singles, and the material was based around them. That said, I find the album tracks, however middling, more enjoyable than those on HIStory or Invincible (the latter I genuinely consider the dullest album in his entire catalogue - I hate that album more than I hate my creepy uncle Freddie).

Perhaps he feels that Michael's execution of those albums weren't good enough? As in, sure they were his least formulative but the execution of the final product still wasn't good enough to rank it higher? No clue if thats what he was thinking of course, but it popped into my head when I read your post this morning.

Bingo. It really isn't rocket surgery given that I actually said that.

Sorry, but no. The review is simply very inconsistent. You say maybe he meant delivery but that's not what it seems like. In fact, he says this about MJ's delivery on HIStory:

Uh...sorry, but yes. I literally said it (see above).

The point is to provoke and piss off other fans

Please...explain how this makes sense??? This article wasn't written for Michael Jackson fans, and I had no idea that it would be picked up by a fan site. So please tell me how this was written to provoke fans? Check the comments on the actual article - considerably less hysterical, and more cordial. I will only even entertain this as a possibility if you agree that these comments are all to piss off and provoke me, and that was your sole purpose (I know it wasn't, incidentally, because that would be psychotic)

and then when they express their displeasure to whine about "fans who think he cannot do wrong and he is an angel".

Gee. I wonder why that is...?

When someone writes an article, with so much wrong with it that it's hard to know where to start, then it is more than sensible to question his sanity. Or, at the very least, his motives.

The supporters of this 'author', seem to think he should be able to spout any old nonsense without people smelling it like it is. If I remember right someone even suggested that he does this sort of bull's hit article to provoke. Well, if that's the case, even more reason to give him both barrels.

The article is a joke. But not a very funny one. And It's the same old people desperate to defend yet another baseless, tasteless, pointless, anti-MJ article dressed up as 'keeping it real'.

In fact, it's like this guy has come on here and read all the negative threads/comments from his 'defenders' and stuck them all in one massive attack of muck throwing.

Sorry guys. Be as gullible or duplicitous as you like. Just don't expect me to join you.

The lack of self-awareness here isn't even funny.

It's all about point of reference.....

It really boils down to in consensus, when a person first became a fan of Michael which determines which album during his adult solo career they find to be his best.

If that person became or watch MJ's career occur from 1979-1984, they are either going to say OTW or Thriller was his best album.

if that person became a fan of his during the early 90s, that person is going to say DANGEROUS was his best album.

and if we are to be honest.....

most of his black fans are going to say OTW or Thriller was his best.

most of his white fans are going to say BAD, DANGEROUS, or HISTORY was his best

I'm a white man born in 1988. My earliest memories are soundtracked by the Dangerous era. I still think Off The Wall was his best.

"The problem with today’s world is that everyone believes they have the right to express their opinion and have others listen to it. The correct statement of individual rights is that everyone has the right to an opinion, but crucially, that opinion can be roundly ignored and even made fun of, particularly if it is demonstrably nonsense."

My opinion hasn't been ignored. Ya'll have banged on about it for pages and pages.

If you want to see more of how uninformed and not an MJ fan I am, please feel free to read the other Jackson articles I obviously haven't written:

http://www.getintothis.co.uk/2016/12/michael-jacksons-dangerous-25-king-pops-last-great-creation/

http://www.getintothis.co.uk/2016/10/michael-jackson-rod-temperton-rip/

http://planetslop.co.uk/the-scene/live-reviews/jacksons-haydock-park-racecourse-liverpool/

http://planetslop.co.uk/music/jacksons-best-non-michael-songs-ahead-haydock-gig/

http://www.getintothis.co.uk/2017/03/jacksons-top-10-ahead-haydock-park-gig/

 

[MJ7801]

Hmmm.... This is tough. I rarely agree with lists like these and find them to be "filler articles".
It's a shame the author had to defend himself. You're entitled to your own opinion!
We can pay close attention or grab our fave MJ songs and turn them up!

 

[Danja]

"Others – Can’t Let Her Get Away, She Drives Me Wild – feel more like filler." This is the only thing I can agree with. And I think we can all agree on The Girl Is Mine. The rest of the text is simply offensive. ABC at number 3 and Diana Ross presents at number 5? Wait, this text is a joke isn't it?

 

[SmoothMJ]

I can see why the idiot would have to give his articles away for free. Who would want to pay for shite like that!?