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"Michael", a biopic about Michael Jackson, is officially happening.

Hot_Street said:
I doubt whether a film that's supposed to be family-friendly in order to be as profitable as possible is compatible with Michael's real life. Physical and emotional abuse in his youth by J., accusations and blackmail by supposed friends since the 1990s, suffering from accidents and illnesses, and, last but not least, a possible murder - all of this doesn't fit with a family film.
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True.
 
someplace_else said:
Choosing to be in the spotlight just underlined what I wrote: she wants to be seen as an individual, achieve something she can be proud of, not "just" being MJ's daughter.

And yes, she knows PR but it's just possible she had to get that off her chest without any goal or intention. Of course it's also possible she wants to achieve something with this statement, who knows. I don't know what's going on behind the curtains...all I am saying is: we always want people not to be harsh on Michael because you always have to look at the whole story and why people act the way they do...context, background information,...so let's also keep that in mind when it comes to his kids, please - or when it comes to anyone, basically.
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Choosing to be in the spotlight just reinforces how she has to be careful with her public image and what she says. She knows the game. At least she should by now.

I agree somewhat with her but she is not beyond reproach. She knows what she said with "my dad's fandom lives in a fantasy." She knows the response that will generate in the media. We can't coddle her but we don't need to be harsh. I've seen people using drugs to discredit her and that I do not condone. But I think she worded it very poorly. Or rather, I do think she worded it poorly on purpose to bring attention to it.

We don't know what she's trying to achieve and I respect her pain and I even agree with her point to some extent, but she did throw meat to the wolves and fans can disagree and call her out, respectfully of course.
 
I said it earlier but the comment that the fandom lives in a fantasy really frustrates me.

Seriously what the hell does she mean by that? That type of cryptic comment opens herself up to the point where it could sound like she’s talking about the allegations and perhaps believes them.

We, the fans are well aware of the massive amounts of trauma that Michael suffered in his life from his abusive childhood to the allegations and every other crazy rumour in between. We know he suffered terribly at times so the fantasy line does not sit with me.

If she feels that he was manipulated as a child then say it , he clearly was!! We know!

Don’t leave it up to speculation.
 
apple🍎 said:
Choosing to be in the spotlight just reinforces how she has to be careful with her public image and what she says. She knows the game. At least she should by now.

I agree somewhat with her but she is not beyond reproach. She knows what she said with "my dad's fandom lives in a fantasy." She knows the response that will generate in the media. We can't coddle her but we don't need to be harsh. I've seen people using drugs to discredit her and that I do not condone. But I think she worded it very poorly. Or rather, I do think she worded it poorly on purpose to bring attention to it.

We don't know what she's trying to achieve and I respect her pain and I even agree with her point to some extent, but she did throw meat to the wolves and fans can disagree and call her out, respectfully of course.
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Nobody should use her drug use against her,she's clearly struggled,this is why I think she should take a back seat quietly and yes she does add fuel to the fire im sure she has times when she needs to vent.But maybe do it behind closed doors,we see Prince always smiling and looking positive,im sure he has his struggles ,as does Biggi I wish them all well I just fear she will be bombarded ,you can see it how the media are all over her comments
 
With her statement, Paris could only have been referring to regular fans who might have a Best of or Thriller. But certainly not us hardcore fans.
 
Hot_Street said:
With her statement, Paris could only have been referring to regular fans who might have a Best of or Thriller. But certainly not us hardcore fans.
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It's those regular fans that have also contributed to making miichaels legacy continue not just hard core fans
 
Oldtimer said:
It's those regular fans that have also contributed to making miichaels legacy continue not just hard core fans
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That's not the point. Hardcore fans know every detail about the allegations and Michael's life, and regular fans don't.
 
Hot_Street said:
That's not the point. Hardcore fans know every detail about the allegations and Michael's life, and regular fans don't.
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That is the point regular fans are the ones who buy tickets for mj the musical etc, im sorry but if the estate was relying on just hard core fans ? Really my daughter is not a hard core fan she loves his music that's the way of the world , not every fan wants to spend time delving into allegations that is the way it's going to be people enjoy his music ,and they spend money on going to theatres they leave ,and say they had a good time.Hardcore fans scrutinise every detail,life is to short
 
Oldtimer said:
That is the point regular fans are the ones who buy tickets for mj the musical etc, im sorry but if the estate was relying on just hard core fans ? Really my daughter is not a hard core fan she loves his music that's the way of the world , not every fan wants to spend time delving into allegations that is the way it's going to be people enjoy his music ,and they spend money on going to theatres they leave ,and say they had a good time.Hardcore fans scrutinise every detail,life is to short
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I wanted to say that with the term "fandom," Paris might be referring to regular fans who don't know Michael's life well. And these fans make up the majority of all fans, and the film is for these regular fans.
 
Hot_Street said:
I wanted to say that with the term "fandom," Paris might be referring to regular fans who don't know Michael's life well. And these fans make up the majority of all fans, and the film is for these regular fans.
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maybe she meant fantasy scenes, like maybe a shot of Freddie and Michael in the studio and an alpaca comes into the studio or something and a comedic scene is made from it, you know?
 
This level of speculation she has fuelled is one of the many problems with her response. PJ charged like a bull in a china shop, and shock horror, there are consequences. I really find it very hard to rationalise or sympathise with the number of problematic things she said. And although it warrants criticism it doesn't warrant nasty comments about her.

-She discredited CD in a callous manner.
-She criticized everyone involved with the biopic saying it is filled with 'inaccuracy' and 'full blown lies', (and by default she is suggesting her brother is in support of this narrative).
-She suggested a big portion of her fathers fandom are delusional and therefore will be happy with the inaccuracy depicted in the biopic.
-She claims to value honesty but wants to gatekeep the truth by alluding to cryptic messages.
-She has deliberately left her cryptic messages open to interpretation with regards to the allegations amongst other things.
-She claims to want no part of it and yet is in the headlines about it, and I'm sure will have no qualms about financially benefitting from the very biopic she wants no part of.
-And the icing on the cake, she fed right into media narratives.

Within a few irresponsible comments she attacked everybody.

If the truth is so important to her, she needs to speak it or else be quiet about it, not tease it to garner public attention. She acted very quickly to straighten the narrative around CD, let's see if she makes any attempt to straighten the narrative regarding the damaging speculation she has caused due to her choice of words.

I won't hold my breath.
 
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Hot_Street said:
I wanted to say that with the term "fandom," Paris might be referring to regular fans who don't know Michael's life well. And these fans make up the majority of all fans, and the film is for these regular
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Okay yes that's fair comment don't think she needed to bring up Coleman though im sure when it's finally released she can give her verdict , she needs to tread carefully he's a well respected actor
 
Oldtimer said:
Okay yes that's fair comment don't think she needed to bring up Coleman though im sure when it's finally released she can give her verdict , she needs to tread carefully he's a well respected actor
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Safe to assume we won’t be seeing her face on the red carpet when the movie premieres? 🤣 Look as I said she should have just remained diplomatic out of respect for her brother and cousin who are working their butts off for this film. I don’t expect much from her anymore, never did actually but just basic respect. That is all. 😆
 
And I'll say something that bothers me in the vein of Paris comments. Miles Teller as John Branca. He's one of the leading actors on this movie. There's no Janet, there's no Randy, there's no Rebbie, there's no Frank DiLeo, but one of the main characters is John Branca. People focus too much on Joe, but Joe was a working class black american who had to work tirelessly in a steel mill and moonlight as a musician to put food on the table for 7 children during Jim Crow. John is a wealthy lawyer who's trying to rewrite history.
 
apple🍎 said:
Choosing to be in the spotlight just reinforces how she has to be careful with her public image and what she says. She knows the game. At least she should by now.

I agree somewhat with her but she is not beyond reproach. She knows what she said with "my dad's fandom lives in a fantasy." She knows the response that will generate in the media. We can't coddle her but we don't need to be harsh. I've seen people using drugs to discredit her and that I do not condone. But I think she worded it very poorly. Or rather, I do think she worded it poorly on purpose to bring attention to it.

We don't know what she's trying to achieve and I respect her pain and I even agree with her point to some extent, but she did throw meat to the wolves and fans can disagree and call her out, respectfully of course.
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I don't remember her exact words, but didn't she say that a certain number/group of the fans live in that fantasy?

Hot_Street said:
That's not the point. Hardcore fans know every detail about the allegations and Michael's life, and regular fans don't.
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So this is also what I am thinking, connected to the question above. I don't know why everyone assumes it has something to do with the allegations. Maybe she just refers to fans who only want to see the positive sides. Or maybe people in Michael's life are depicted too positively in the movie (family members?), or.... so many possibilities.

And yes, I agree she could have said it differently, but still, there are some people here who are very disrespectful and that is something I cannot tolerate.
 
What I meant at the start (and as some other users here already pointed out) is that Paris knows exactly how the industry works, how the press profits off every piece of garbage. She should know it better than anyone, being Michael Jackson's daughter. She's been under media siege since the day she was born, actually even before that, since the pregnancy was announced, lol...

She messed up by addressing it through IG stories and attacking Coleman. There are better ways to deal with it, and the best way is to not feed the press at all, because that only spreads bad publicity and makes things worse for those who believe Michael was guilty. I've already seen dozens of people saying things like: "Even Omar Bhatti, right after Paris posted her video message, tweeted:

"Authenticity over everything. Always reachin. Ever cross the minds of some of y'all that I actually have my own life? And what I say isn't about your fictional fantasies. I know that might be a hard question for some. But guess what, I'm not a character in your game."’
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The fact that both Omar and Paris have been so cryptic for years just makes things worse. I agree Prince is the only one who's been clear, and who actually knows how to handle the press to avoid drama, because this clearly ain't it…
 
Un-couched and unhinged..yeah sure if you wanna generate click baits, go with the cyptic messages. It only fuels fodder for the media to lap it up and have a field day. Lashing out at Domingo is uncalled for. Poor guy ! positive shout out gone wrong. Wrong place, wrong time. Through no fault of his own, he's collateral damage from Paris's vent. She's also insinuating a part of the fandom is bought into this fantastical make-believe of everything Michael, which is an attack on their naivety and gullibility..yeah like we fans didn't do our research. Pttf..



 
christy said:
Un-couched and unhinged..yeah sure if you wanna generate click baits, go with the cyptic messages. It only fuels fodder for the media to lap it up and have a field day. Lashing out at Domingo is uncalled for. Poor guy ! positive shout out gone wrong. Wrong place, wrong time. Through no fault of his own, he's collateral damage from Paris's vent. She's also insinuating a part of the fandom is bought into this fantastical make-believe of everything Michael, which is an attack on their naivety and gullibility..yeah like we fans didn't do our research. Pttf..
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She has no idea how hard we fans have rallied for her dad all these many years. I wish she would at least appreciate that. We have nothing to gain from doing this. She on the other hand is a “beneficiary” and she’s literally biting the hands that feed her 🤣
 
Samsonite said:
Safe to assume we won’t be seeing her face on the red carpet when the movie premieres? 🤣 Look as I said she should have just remained diplomatic out of respect for her brother and cousin who are working their butts off for this film. I don’t expect much from her anymore, never did actually but just basic respect. That is all. 😆
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Tbf whenever she’s attended anything related to MJ , her face has been like a skelped arse or like she’s been chewing a wasp!
 
Blues_Away2023 said:
Tbf whenever she’s attended anything related to MJ , her face has been like a skelped arse or like she’s been chewing a wasp!
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That’s right 🤣 Anyway I do hope she’s ok. I wish someone is looking after her right now as she really can get self-destructive. She acts strong on the outside but I can sense deep down she’s falling apart. I wish her well. We’ll just wish Prince and Jafaar all the bestest on this film! 🥰 enough with the dramas already haha
 
apple🍎 said:
And I'll say something that bothers me in the vein of Paris comments. Miles Teller as John Branca. He's one of the leading actors on this movie. There's no Janet, there's no Randy, there's no Rebbie, there's no Frank DiLeo, but one of the main characters is John Branca. People focus too much on Joe, but Joe was a working class black american who had to work tirelessly in a steel mill and moonlight as a musician to put food on the table for 7 children during Jim Crow. John is a wealthy lawyer who's trying to rewrite history.
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Although Joe is a very important figure in Michael's life and a total creep, even in his time and area
 
jasmine.uddin said:
This level of speculation she has fuelled is one of the many problems with her response. PJ charged like a bull in a china shop, and shock horror, there are consequences. I really find it very hard to rationalise or sympathise with the number of problematic things she said. And although it warrants criticism it doesn't warrant nasty comments about her.

-She discredited CD in a callous manner.
-She criticized everyone involved with the biopic saying it is filled with 'inaccuracy' and 'full blown lies', (and by default she is suggesting her brother is in support of this narrative).
-She suggested a big portion of her fathers fandom are delusional and therefore will be happy with the inaccuracy depicted in the biopic.
-She claims to value honesty but wants to gatekeep the truth by alluding to cryptic messages.
-She has deliberately left her cryptic messages open to interpretation with regards to the allegations amongst other things.
-She claims to want no part of it and yet is in the headlines about it, and I'm sure will have no qualms about financially benefitting from the very biopic she wants no part of.
-And the icing on the cake, she fed right into media narratives.

Within a few irresponsible comments she attacked everybody.

If the truth is so important to her, she needs to speak it or else be quiet about it, not tease it to garner public attention. She acted very quickly to straighten the narrative around CD, let's see if she makes any attempt to straighten the narrative regarding the damaging speculation she has caused due to her choice of words.

I won't hold my breath.
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Paris doesn't seem to realize how statements like "A big section of the film panders to a very specific section of my dad's fandom that still lives in the fantasy, and they're gonna be happy with it." gives the guilters much ammunition. That's the fantasy she lives in...
 
Paris is becoming more and more a drama queen. She is the one who puts herself in the foreground with private things, e.g. first the big love with the announced wedding, then also going on Instagram and tearfully announcing the end. Even wrong decisions in the past like a Rolling Stones interview about her "career" and private life. All the things she mentioned (was raped by a stranger, addicted to heroin and alcohol).
Paris certainly struggled after Michael's death. You can really see in all the videos and photos what a close father-daughter relationship there was. Paris was always looking for his presence, his hand, etc. And suddenly he wasn't there anymore. She couldn't let him go. Her whole room full of photos of him, his clothes to smell him. The suicide attempt and therapy. In my opinion, it was part of the therapy that showed her behavior and ways of thinking to break away from Michael. Of course it is important that she can live her life. But after that came more crashes. Even if she now seems more stable and has a modeling career going, everything seems to be on fragile grounds and she is looking for attention as her own personality and not as a daughter of....Hopefully there won't be an interview with Oprah in which she denigrates the biopic in order for her to get in the limelight. Does she realize that the media is using her in order to trash the legacy from her father-----?
 
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apple🍎 said:
And I'll say something that bothers me in the vein of Paris comments. Miles Teller as John Branca. He's one of the leading actors on this movie. There's no Janet, there's no Randy, there's no Rebbie, there's no Frank DiLeo, but one of the main characters is John Branca. People focus too much on Joe, but Joe was a working class black american who had to work tirelessly in a steel mill and moonlight as a musician to put food on the table for 7 children during Jim Crow. John is a wealthy lawyer who's trying to rewrite history.
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Surely Branca will do well in the biopic. But to say he doesn't deserve a positive role is also wrong. Important events/deals are linked to it. Separating from Joe as manager and taking entertainment lawyer John Branca instead. Buying back his own music rights, later the Beatles catalog, record contracts, video deal for the Thriller video, purchase of Neverland. You're right I also see Dileo as someone who has a place in biopics.
Do we know for sure he is not in it? I can really only see Rebbie and Randy as peripheral phenomena now. Janet would be interesting in one or two scenes, e.g. handing over the Lifetime Achievement Award? but if it is not in in does it matter that much?
 
Annita said:
Surely Branca will do well in the biopic. But to say he doesn't deserve a positive role is also wrong. Important events/deals are linked to it. Separating from Joe as manager and taking entertainment lawyer John Branca instead. Buying back his own music rights, later the Beatles catalog, record contracts, video deal for the Thriller video, purchase of Neverland. You're right I also see Dileo as someone who has a place in biopics.
Do we know for sure he is not in it? I can really only see Rebbie and Randy as peripheral phenomena now. Janet would be interesting in one or two scenes, e.g. handing over the Lifetime Achievement Award? but if it is not in in does it matter that much?
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How does Branca deserve a positive role? Have you forgotten the will mess and the multiple firings? They won't cover that. Theyll just cover the good parts and he'll leave off this movie as a good guy. We know DiLeo is not in it because his daughter posted on Facebook about how he should be in the movie but she was told he was not. And I understand merging multiple people into only one character for the sake of clarity, in this case merging the two people in a management role into one character, but between DiLeo and Branca, DiLeo was more iconic and he was the one putting his face out. So to me, Branca over DiLeo makes no sense.

And how does Janet not belong in the movie? The one Michael always stressed was the closest to him? It makes no sense to leave 3 siblings out, especially the closest one to the protagonist. And also the most famous sibling. Control and Rhythm Nation eras could very easily be a subplot, just like the whole LaToya saga.

They haven't announced any actor playing their roles yet, but we got someone playing Mick Jagger and Andy Warhol. The main characters and bit part characters are all announced. Diana Ross, Barry Gordy, Suzanne De Passe, Katherine, Joe, LaToya, Jackie, Jermaine, Tito, Marlon, Liza Minelli... but no Janet, Randy, Rebbie, DiLeo. It's very unlikely there's someone secretly playing them.
 
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