Michael - The Great Album Debate

You know, I've always felt that the MJ VS Jason/Cascio comparisons were much more effective than the Jason VS Jason/Cascio comparisons...Just goes to show the vast DIFFERENCE between a legendary and an amateur voice...

People may deny all they want the similarity comparisons, but it's much more difficult to deny that massive difference we hear between MJ's authentic voice and the Cascio voice...Which is another reason why to this day people have not been able to find any comparisons between MJ's voice and Cascio voice...

MJ vs Jason comparisons are bound to show vast differences between the two, but I would think that, even if one were to make comparisons between the Cascio vocalist and Michael, people will still reason away any differences by saying it was the effect of melodyne or over-production.
 
MJ vs Jason comparisons are bound to show vast differences between the two, but I would think that, even if one were to make comparisons between the Cascio vocalist and Michael, people will still reason away any differences by saying it was the effect of melodyne or over-production
Yes, because the whole idea of someone else singing....it's so crazy, it just can't be true....:sad2:. That also plays a big part, IMO. Of course not to all, but to a lot.
 
Exactly, i just cant see why Sony, would make a mistake and have 3 fake songs on a real MJ album.
You guys may say they wanted too, they were tricked, etc etc...but if they WERE fake. 100% fake, i highly doubt they would put them on any future projects.
If they were fake, im sure they would have taken legal action aganist the Cascio family by now.

You just dont fake 12 MJ demos/songs/worktapes etc, get paid alot of money and then say opps our bad. dont sue us for fraud sony.
 
Wasn't another song called "Water" worked on with Neff-U? Has anyone got more info on that clearly more interesting song?
 
Exactly, i just cant see why Sony, would make a mistake and have 3 fake songs on a real MJ album.
You guys may say they wanted too, they were tricked, etc etc...but if they WERE fake. 100% fake, i highly doubt they would put them on any future projects.
If they were fake, im sure they would have taken legal action aganist the Cascio family by now.

You just dont fake 12 MJ demos/songs/worktapes etc, get paid alot of money and then say opps our bad. dont sue us for fraud sony.
They are shady people, a shady company, Michael Jackson is dead, the vocalist sounds identical to Jason Malachi to almost everyone here posting now, virtually no debating about it anymore, and there are tons of quotes from family and other people who raise suspicions and great points about the songs being fake.
 
maybe sony got tricked, maybe not. the ONLY thing they care about is making money. they thought they could get away with having someone sing on the tracks that sounded close enough to michael that the general public can't tell the difference.

even if they were tricked and they found out later, do you think they care? why would they? they don't care if michael's really on the songs or not, they just care about the bottom line. They're going to take the path that leads to the most cash, end of story.

If they thought they could get away with releasing a CD of some random guy on the street mumbling and call it "michael" they would. In fact, they probably could--might be more convincing than what they've put out so far.
 
The controversy surrounding Michael like drug use, child molestation and his skin color and plastic surgery, the media smear campaigns against him caused so much damage to his legacy and career that I deeply believe they knew they could get away with it because not enough people in general really care about Michael anymore to speak up for him.

Or if they do they can easily be labeled crazy.
 
...i dont know what to say. Its like im Standing in no-mans land. one side is Michael 2010 and Sony etc....the other is you guys. I dont know
 
Just study Michael's voice more and more and study the songs more and listen to them in playlists side by side together and I feel the truth has GOT to come to you over time. It came to me, it was one of those "aha!" moments, and listen to the comparisons. Do not be afraid to find the truth! :)

I wanted the songs to be Michael for a long time, I still would like to find out he had more to do with them but I know that Jason Malachi is on the lead vocalist. I've listened to too much of his music now that I have his voice and Michael's memorized, the distinctions and characteristics between the two. I'd consider myself somewhat of an unofficial expert on Michael and Malachi's voice now, especially after all this debating, it really grabbed my curiosity and I made sure I was satisfied and knew as much of the truth as I could.

Even today I still continue to grow with Michael's art and learn more, we discussed this before. Even today the Cascio songs seem more distant, not even close to being Michael in my mind and heart.
 
I listen to Michaels Music every single day. I also listen to the Cascio tracks. I do. I hope to hear them all one day, becuase its interesting. Controversy enlights me, and makes me think and study. That how i became interested in JFKs Assassination.

andddddd...thats how i became interested in Michael. I was curious. My friends would pick on him etc, but they told me of this dance called "The Moonwalk"
it was 2007 and i still remember them saying how cool it was. and how "it looks like hes walking forward but hes moving backwards"
I remember the white glove and poking fun at neverland. (though i know how wrong i was then now). I became more interested in the man...before the music. But as i listened to the music, and read about the man...it was just...amazing.
Now i have all his solo albums: Off the Wall, Thriller, Bad, Dangerous, HIStory, BOTDF, Invincible. i also have: This is it, Michael.
I cant get enough of his music.
People are always like: The Beatles are better than Mike....and i sit there....and i laugh. Becuase i know how Mike was dedicated, and independant, loving, and a perfectionist, and adhead of his time.
The Beatles are good, but they arent...great. Drugs, were partly their inspiration. Michael just needed some L.O.V.E
 
When a song is a real Michael Jackson song, there is no controversy about it. If it isn't, there is.

Do you see a debate about Hollywood Tonight being real going on? No. Do you hear a debate going on about Best Of Joy being real? No.

You know immediately that I Am The Loser is Michael, you know immediately that Slave To The Rhythm is, Escape is, etc.

Everyone immediately knows, we unanimously agree.

Michael's voice is obvious, there's no question, no doubt, no need for major processing or over the top production, Michael always left the complete blueprint himself.
 
...i dont know what to say. Its like im Standing in no-mans land. one side is Michael 2010 and Sony etc....the other is you guys. I dont know

I think we have good arguments in both sides but you have to ask yourself what do your ears tell you and investigate from that point or just stay satisfied with official statements :)

I listen to Michaels Music every single day. I also listen to the Cascio tracks. I do. I hope to hear them all one day, becuase its interesting. Controversy enlights me, and makes me think and study. That how i became interested in JFKs Assassination.

andddddd...thats how i became interested in Michael. I was curious. My friends would pick on him etc, but they told me of this dance called "The Moonwalk"
it was 2007 and i still remember them saying how cool it was. and how "it looks like hes walking forward but hes moving backwards"
I remember the white glove and poking fun at neverland. (though i know how wrong i was then now). I became more interested in the man...before the music. But as i listened to the music, and read about the man...it was just...amazing.
Now i have all his solo albums: Off the Wall, Thriller, Bad, Dangerous, HIStory, BOTDF, Invincible. i also have: This is it, Michael.
I cant get enough of his music.
People are always like: The Beatles are better than Mike....and i sit there....and i laugh. Becuase i know how Mike was dedicated, and independant, loving, and a perfectionist, and adhead of his time.
The Beatles are good, but they arent...great. Drugs, were partly their inspiration. Michael just needed some L.O.V.E
Great to read your story :) About Beatles vs. MJ, I always take that comparison as a compliment for MJ. They're comparing 4 brains against 1 :p
 
Exactly, 4 against 1 isnt fair. lol.

My story could be more well described, but you know...we all have a Michael Story to share somehow.

Anyways, my Mind says "Its Michael, because one day when i was messing around with Demo Monster on audacity, i swear i heard him 100% throughout the whole song. it was like a moment...thats what convinces me" but my heart feels empty.... :(

The part i find hard to accept that its Michael is the "Wain'n, Stukin' " the snorts in breaking news, and the amount of copy and pasted words.
Then All i need, Stay, and water...don't sound like Michael.
All i need just...idk what to say. It cant be him.
Stay is more convincing....but its the pronunciations again that reveal it.
 
Someone tried. I heard the DJ tagged Water. lol not very helpfull, but at least i heard it?

I havent heard:
Breaking news demo
KYHU demo
Ready 2 Win
Black Widow
Water [in good quality]

but i have heard:
Breaking News
Monster
KYHU
Stay
All i Need
Burn Tonight
Soilder Boy


thats 10...what are the other 2? lol
and they day i heard them is the day i convert? we'll see. Im hoping my mind will make itself up. I dont want to juggle anymore.
 
^^do you at least agree that all of the songs you HAVE heard were sung by the same person?

it seems that you believe monster sounds like michael, but all i need does not, right? Do you believe that all i need and monster sound like they were sung by the same singer, or 2 different people?

Same question for all songs you HAVE heard. regardless of whether you think they sound like michael OR like another singer, do you think all cascio tracks sounds like they were sung by the same person?
 
Someone tried. I heard the DJ tagged Water. lol not very helpfull, but at least i heard it?

I havent heard:
Breaking news demo
KYHU demo
Ready 2 Win
Black Widow
Water [in good quality]

but i have heard:
Breaking News
Monster
KYHU
Stay
All i Need
Burn Tonight
Soilder Boy


thats 10...what are the other 2? lol
and they day i heard them is the day i convert? we'll see. Im hoping my mind will make itself up. I dont want to juggle anymore.

You don't have to force yourself in making up your mind.
If you believe, you believe if you don't, you don't :)
 
No...i need a 100% awnser in my mind. lol

I think the Cascio tracks have:
Used copy and paste [words and adlibs]
Went under heavy processing. whatever processing is. lol
Used many different Microphones to record the many different times the lines had to be said.
James Porte is only in the background vocals. He doesnt appear as often. I also discredit the "supervoice" idea.
I believe Michael had some part in these songs. Weather it was just the melody, some extra lyrics, or minimal vocals
"Monster being the most complete with MJ leadvocal, then KYHU, BN, solider boy, burntonight, stay, all i need"
They may have used a other singer to complete parts and verses.
I dont believe it is all Jason, i think there could have been more than one person.
(Michael, Porte, Jason, unknown 1 or 2? Possibly 1)
Melodyne was used on these tracks to correct pitch.

And if the melodies were devolped after the vocals. i think that they could have processed the vocals to fit in more with the melody of the songs.
Which brings me to the fact that i believe that they had different original speeds, pitches, and tempos.

As for the whole shower, and PVC pipe. that was used very little.
 
Billyjeanplxiv - have you heard Let The Monster Go? It is a track that basically has Let Me Let Go by Jason coming out of one channel, and Monster coming out the other. You have to listen to it with headphones! If you think Monster is Mj, then it is well worth a listen.

PS - the shower was used for WBSS 2008. In the credits for Thriller 25 it lists Anjelikson (Eddie Cascio) as being the producer on additional backing vocals recorded by Michael for that song. Now in the making of Michael documentary, when Eddie is showing the shower, he states that "this is where Michael recorded those backing vocals". He doesn't mention lead vocals, or those songs or anything else. There is often a little bit of truth in every lie. Hope that makes sense but in short terms - all Michael recorded in that basement was that one verse (credited as backing vocals) for WBSS 2008 and that's it. Eddie lets that slip in the documentary. And of course, those vocals sound absolutely perfect and just like Michael.
 
Lol i was looking at wbss 2008 and for all of time last night to see if the angeliskson studios thing was true. Its in the thriller 25 booklet :) and yea i knew about the eddie in the video reffering to the other songs and not the cascio tracks.

And i heard the let the monster go.
 
Come on everybody get down with this. Yeah, uh. Best parts are 1:32 (first place first place) and 2:27 (work it)

This was Jason's last public performance. It took place 4 weeks before Breaking News was streamed.

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"Give me that Bubble gum, bubble gum, yum yum that bubble gum"

oh dear, Malachi lyrics. lol

The demos of Monster, and Breaking News i think, enforce my beliefs that the most MJ are on the those 3 songs on the Michael album.
After listening to a min or so of Black widow, Fall in love, Water, and Ready to Win, and the other one....i have to do some thinking. lol
Black Widow seems convincing at first, but the pronunciation is just awful "She wants yoou boooiiii"
 
"Give me that Bubble gum, bubble gum, yum yum that bubble gum"

oh dear, Malachi lyrics. lol

The demos of Monster, and Breaking News i think, enforce my beliefs that the most MJ are on the those 3 songs on the Michael album.
After listening to a min or so of Black widow, Fall in love, Water, and Ready to Win, and the other one....i have to do some thinking. lol
Black Widow seems convincing at first, but the pronunciation is just awful "She wants yoou boooiiii"

If they had genuine tracks though, why risk including fakes as well (I'm talking about Eddie/Porte)? Also, the same vocal characteristics (vibrato, accent etc) are shared by all the tracks, meaning it is almost certainly the same person. Apart from the adlibs and pasted words, I can't pick any MJ out in BN and Monster as much as I want to. Can you say a line from BN for example that you think is MJ? I'm liked to nail down exactly where we we are all hearing the difference.
 
@StellaJackson

Thank you so much for that YT with Tommy Emmanuel. Never seen it before and I've seen a lot..:D. That was beautiful.

And I don't have to tell anyone on here what a pleasure it is to listen to 'Much too Soon'.

ETA: Listen to 1.12 (demo???) "sittink". You hear that Jason? 'Sittink', not 'Sitt'n' !!!!!!!!!! :censored:

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I've made up my mind. It has taken almost a year but it's better than me not realising at all. I've removed the "authentic" tag. I think I'll keep the "soldier boy > tdcau" one up though. :p
 
I've made up my mind. It has taken almost a year but it's better than me not realising at all. I've removed the "authentic" tag I think I'll keep the "soldier boy > tdcau" one up though. :p
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I've made up my mind. It has taken almost a year but it's better than me not realising at all. I've removed the "authentic" tag. I think I'll keep the "soldier boy > tdcau" one up though. :p

Welcome to the painful realization club, King...

Now we know what we do with fraudsters, don't we?

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