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Michael's medical report missing...?!

Trish said:
Dr. Slavit is a ENT - Ears, Nose and Throat specialist which to me is an odd choice for a Dr to do a physical.
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I was just about to say WHY are all these "specialist" the one's doing this stuff. Whatever happened to getting a general MD who focuses on the entire body, not just specific parts? This is why I was wondering why the hell Mike would have a cardiologist unless he had issues in that area. A physical should have been done by a general MD IMO, not someone that's been looking at ENTs for however many years.
 
My bet is still the insurance will get out of payment... if not I'll really eat a broomstick.

Please everybody, this is the investigative forum section, I'll share a lot of SPECULATION in the following, I still find pretty informing... but if this bothers you in any way please do not read on. Also as it is collected from many blogs online I'll save myself to name all the sources as it is speculation anyways.

Ok as far as I've read in insurance brokers and insurance lawyers blogs online it's pretty common that the Dr. doesn't hand the complete record of the physical to the insurance or the client (here AEG) because it's all meant to stay between doc and patient (here Michael).
They never get all details if they do not agree on that one of those involved can demand them means the parties do not agree on giving them to eachother before signing the contract.

However insurance and client have to agree about a certain doctor and the doctor of trust will then answer some general stuff.
The insurance usually does give a list of three or more docs to the client and then the client makes the final choice.
BUT
Michael Jackson was a so called 'high risk' client, so in this case some brokers seem to be pretty sure any insurance would 'demand' the doctor and also demand to get every little detail about the physical (more a eat or die choice for the client). Most insurance brokers think that was the case.
As Dr. Slavit is an ENT some brokers are pretty sure Michael Jackson must have had somehow a health problem maybe with breathing or any other health problem leading to that choice of doc.

However it is possible that client and insurance agree about a doctor and the insurance is just satisfied with this doctor generally giving prophecy 'yeah he can do it'.


About the payment (which are the lawyers more on) those bloggers are pretty sure either the contract says Lloyds has a lower payment to do now cuz the papers were signed before Michaels death. The whole payment would had come into play only with the second physical passed by Michael which was planned in London.

or

It's also possible that the contract was signed before but there was a clause in the contract the insurance would only pay after that second physical would have been passed also.

(Please everybody keep in mind the payment is still also dependent on other police/contract circumstances possible like for example the cause of death revealed by the autopsy/toxicology report, which could not be covered etc.)



I've still not found any confirmation about how much the insurance coverage would really be money wise, how many shows were covered by Lloyds and also what is really all covered by this insurance.
I suspect the so called 'self-insurance' was done by AEG (as Randy Philips himself was quoted by the media in March-April still) and would also like if someone finds something more to read about how that would really work.
Please anybody look out for it!!!!!!
 
with the missing medical report it could be human error and simply someone has misplaced it. the same happened with monroe and matthew shepard. still there could be other more sinister reasons and people want it to disappear
 
Yep but could also be that Michael and/or his doc didn't want it to be open completely neither to AEG nor to the insurance... then a judge will most likely decide if and who will get permission to read it.

Maybe the whole record is already somewhere lost on a desk at the LAPD or DEA... well if those cops are not completely new to their job I'd search there first... but yeah could also be it's already sold for a huge amount of money and disappeared into someones secret collection of the most secret things and revealing stuff... I bet it's already worth more than an original vanGogh.
 
Mechi said:
I've still not found any confirmation about how much the insurance coverage would really be money wise, how many shows were covered by Lloyds and also what is really all covered by this insurance.
I suspect the so called 'self-insurance' was done by AEG (as Randy Philips himself was quoted by the media in March-April still) and would also like if someone finds something more to read about how that would really work.
Please anybody look out for it!!!!!!
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I read at the time in national newpapers (dont have a lnk at present) that Lloyds of London only covered the first 10 shows and that AEG said they were willing to risk the other 40 as they insisted "Michael was in excellent health"
 
marjieN said:
I read at the time in national newpapers (dont have a lnk at present) that Lloyds of London only covered the first 10 shows and that AEG said they were willing to risk the other 40 as they insisted "Michael was in excellent health"
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well I've read that also but the source for newspapers were always Randy Philips of AEG Live... I would like to see confirmed by an (there's more than one involved for sure as Lloyds is a syndicate to minimize risk for a single one) insurance how many shows were really covered.

Confirmed by an insurance I've only found 3million payment yet by one member of the Llyods syn London.

Nothing about the details what is really covered by the insurance policy
When they will pay at all.
No such details at all like if an overdose is really covered or when an overdose would be covered.
Nothing from the insurance yet also that a death of natural cause wasn't covered.
Nothing about how many shows were actually covered.
I'm wondering what they really signed already if the details were still missing... that's so the unusual insurance handling... crazy.

But that's probably why the insurance prefers to not confirm anything at all... but a contract was signed and now Robertson Taylor that broker even talks about that it was signed although there was a second physical sceduled, that is crazy, because the physical has to happen before an insurance can even be negotiated cuz it's the physical usually confirming the degree of fitness and that's why dictating what the insurance wants to cover and what not.

I am aware that with 'Michael Jackson being a high risk client', the insurance was probably able to dictate AEG what would have to happen for them to go into risk at all...
Just for me the question is...
1) who now did really chose Dr. Slavit
2) and/or did the first physical maybe show a problem and Dr. Slavit has told them oh this is to work out.

That could have lead to a coverage of 10 shows and they would agree to let's say the coverage of 23 shows (cuz this number was mentioned by R.P.) if Michael would pass the second physical?
OR
there wasn't really any coverage without that Michael would pass the second physical in London?


Know what I mean... maybe the weight was a problem... so they maybe agreed on Michael has to gain weight till the beginning of the concerts and that's what could expand the coverage.

Maybe Michael was taking some medication the Doc wanted him to better get rid off to stay fit but gave advise to decrease the dose only slowly (would explain also why Murray was hired for example).



And what if ppl around Michael got aware he was might not able to work it out... what was their material loss out of that.



Geeeeeez that insurance policy would be toooooo interesting... it at least will be some key evidence... at least for how responsible AEG and those ppl around Michael are handeling business.



So my question is what did the insurance expect to happen between physical 1 and physical 2?
 
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Is Dr. Slavit one of those doctors on the list interviewed by the LAPD?
 
myfavouritewintercoat said:
And you wonder why Katherine wants to see that AEG contract...!

http://www.contactmusic.com/news.nsf/article/michael-jackson-medical-report-missing_1111899


MICHAEL JACKSON MEDICAL REPORT MISSING

Michael Jackson's medical examination showed he had the ''body of an astronaut'', claim insurers Robertson Taylor, who were insisting on carrying out their own tests before agreeing to cover the singer's 50-date 'This Is It' residency at London's O2 arena.

Michael Jackson's medical examination record has gone missing.
Insurers for the late pop icon's 'This Is It' 50-date London residency were astounded when the report they received from Dr. David Slavit declared the singer to be in perfect health, joking it appeared to have been "based on the body of an astronaut".
Officials at insurers Robertson Taylor were puzzled as to why the ear, nose and throat specialist's report made no mention of the 'Thriller' star's well-publicised health difficulties - including a severely burnt scalp, broken leg and extensive cosmetic surgery - and demanded their own tests be carried out before agreeing to insure his shows for promoters AEG Live.
An AEG spokesperson said: "AEG did not hire a doctor at any time in connection with securing insurance. Dr. David Slavit performed the medical exam which was submitted to the insurers as part of their underwriting.
"AEG has never received a copy of Dr. Slavit's medical exam. A second medical examination was scheduled in the UK when the tour arrived. The policy was issued in a fictitious name."
No-one has actually seen Dr. Slavit's original records of the medical and Robertson Jackson had wanted to do a full examination on July 11, the day after seeing the 'Bad' hitmaker perform a planned full rehearsal at London's O2 arena, where the shows were scheduled to take place.
However, because the star died of a suspected cardiac arrest on June 25 - after the insurance deal had been agreed but before "subject to" details had been verified - the promoters are now in dispute with the insurers over the validity of their agreement. The singer's medical certificate had been issued in the name M. Jones but this is said to be standard practice for celebrities to prevent any embarrassing personal health details leaking out.
It was revealed last week the singer's autopsy results have been delayed indefinitely.
It has been claimed the release has been postponed while police investigate Jackson's death.
A law enforcement source has claimed the delay is not the result of problems with the toxicology report or questions over how the case is being handled.
Court records show police are currently investigating whether Jackson's personal physician Dr. Conrad Murray - who was with the 50-year-old singer when he died of a suspected cardiac arrest last month and gave him CPR (cardiopulmonary resuscitation) - had contact with other people in the medical field, including Dr. Slavit.

05 August 2009 10:01:25 AM
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that article lost me. I can't even follow it right. One minute it has robertson taylor and then robertson jackson?? and then if the insurance company sent their doctor or a doctor from the list they gave and aeg had to pick from. Why wouldn't they be questioning this doctor that they helped pick? Also why is is dr. david slavit a plastic surgeon and then an ENT specialist the next. Also why would the insurer wait until just 2 days before opening night to give michael another exam. And what would make them so sure that the second exam would satisfy them with a doctor they help pick when the first one didn't. Im sorry but this article was not clear for me to comprehend. lol Im just not understand. :doh:

Why is nothing making any sense right about now. We can't get one morsel of fact and just sense up in here. :doh: Im sorry but I need someone to rewrite this article and make it clear cuz they lost me. robertson jackson???:mello: lol LOST!

Also why did the document have to state michel broke his leg got burned and had surgeries. That don't necessarly mean michael was unhealthy. Im just saying.
 
ok I just clicked on the link and read the article and im squared away. lol

I understand now but what I don't get is where this dr david slavit come from. Why would the insurance company get upset (so to speak) with the first test to the point where now they want to to hire their own doctor for the second one
"and demanded their own tests be carried out before agreeing to insure his shows for promoters AEG Live."
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When they should have done that in the first place. Also how stupid are they for waiting until 2 days before opening night. Um if michael didn't pass that second test that would have left no time for aeg to find another insurer. I'm sorry but how off is that. Nothing still makes any sense.:doh:
 
Mikejoefan said:
ok I just clicked on the link and read the article and im squared away. lol

I understand now but what I don't get is where this dr david slavit come from. Why would the insurance company get upset (so to speak) with the first test to the point where now they want to to hire their own doctor for the second one
When they should have done that in the first place. Also how stupid are they for waiting until 2 days before opening night. Um if michael didn't pass that second test that would have left no time for aeg to find another insurer. I'm sorry but how off is that. Nothing still makes any sense.:doh:
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well there could be a condition on record of the first physical which could develope into a good/bad direction so they wanted to check a second time later.
example possiblen(NOT SAYING IT WAS THIS): losing/gaining weight

it makes sense that AEG under these circumstances hired and payed lots of ppl for that Michael would 'pass' the second physical so that the insurance coverage would be confirmed.

sorry not a native english over here... :scratch:hope you can get an idea of what I try to explain.
 
Mikejoefan said:
Also why did the document have to state michel broke his leg got burned and had surgeries. That don't necessarly mean michael was unhealthy. Im just saying.
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It's common if you go through a physical for an insurance that you have to mention all health problems/conditions you've had since early childhood.
You're questioned really from problems at your birth over every operation ever done, for every injury you ever had, ever therapy you ever did etc.

You're also asked about certain health problems if they've ever happened in the family... someone ever had cancer, what kind and so on.

It's no miracle these physicals usually do take several hours... and it's also common that these physicals for celebrities are done with a synonym (an alias name) for the client... as this much very private information about a celebrity is worth lots of money alone.



I expect several records like this coming up in the media in the future claiming to be the one about Michael...
 
oh ok mechi I understand about the second terms but if michael so to speak had not gain enough weight then that still would have not been a smart thing. That would have only giving aeg 2 days to find insurance and that don't make sense to me.

okay got you again on listing everything from birth to present that has happened to you. And I understand you fine.
 
Mikejoefan said:
oh ok mechi I understand about the second terms but if michael so to speak had not gain enough weight then that still would have not been a smart thing. That would have only giving aeg 2 days to find insurance and that don't make sense to me.
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well when you follow insurance brokers bloggs of that time, they had a hard time to find any insurance broker or better any insurance willing to insure the concerts from the very beginning. so to put themselves in this situation was maybe the only deal they could get at all... but yeah if there was a deal like that and Michaels health development wasn't promising to pass the second physical then they weren't in a good situation to get coverage at all... but maybe this deal was the only deal offered from the very beginning.

There surely obviously was a lot of pressure on AEG and/or Michael to pass the second physical.

Know what I mean, any number of Michael Jackson concerts was a 'high risk client' to insurances from the very beginning, so the insurances would negotiate always with AEG in the way that they would be dictating contract details... either you'll do it this way or you'll get no coverage from us.

Randy Philips was in April obviously still talking about some 'self insurance for the major numbers of concert dates through AEG'. I have no idea how that works then... but obviously they had to struggle hard from the very beginning to get any insurance coverage for the concerts.
 
mechi yeah I do remember aeg not having secured all the dates. How dangerous if someone have gotten hurt. Aeg is so sorry. From day one they poorly organizied and RUSH TII. ugh!
 
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