MJ and the 80s: Does His Music Actually Sound Like the 80s?

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So I was watching the show ‘Stranger Things’ and the finale, (minor spoiler) and Purple Rain starts playing and it got me thinking. The scene works so well not just because the song is iconic, but because it instantly places you in the emotional and sonic memory of the 1980s. The show relies heavily on that kind of musical shorthand, and it’s used plenty of era defining songs to do it. It’s even used Thriller in trailers before. But that raised an interesting question for me. Why don’t we really hear Michael Jackson’s music used in the show, or any other show that heavily relies on 80s nostalgia, itself as an emotional narrative tool, the way Prince, Kate Bush, or others have been? The answer I landed on is that, Michael Jackson defined the 1980s culturally, but his music doesn’t sonically belong to the 1980s in the way we usually think of “80s music,” and that was intentional.


Most 80s nostalgia is built on sound. Songs like Purple Rain, Radio Ga Ga, Take On Me, Video Killed the Radio Star, Heaven Is a Place on Earth, Every Step You Take, Don’t You Forget About Me, and even some of Whitney big 80s hits (to name a few) instantly signal the decade through synth textures, reverb heavy vocals, and period specific production. But when you put those next to Billie Jean, Beat It, or Wanna Be Startin’ Somethin’, something changes. Michael’s songs don’t trigger the same nostalgic response. They don’t feel tied to a specific year or trend. They feel timeless for the lack of a better word. That’s one of the most overlooked aspects of his artistry.


What makes this even more impressive is the context. Michael was competing at the height of the 80s with brilliant artists whose music was deeply rooted in the sound of the moment and the music is undoubtedly brilliant but unmistakably of their era. Choosing a “different” path was an enormous risk in the most trend driven decade pop music has ever seen, and yet it worked. Bad is probably the closest Michael ever came to engaging with the 80s sound, but even then, songs like Smooth Criminal, The Way You Make Me Feel, Liberian Girl, or Speed Demon, don’t feel like typical 80s tracks. They don’t rely on era clichés. Even at his most “80s,” Michael still sounded like MJ, not like the decade.


What really sealed this realization for me was hearing the Thriller outtakes. Songs like She’s Trouble, Hot Street, Got the Hots, and even early versions of Billie Jean, sound extremely 80s, with synth bass, programmed drums, and obvious period fingerprints. The key point is that Michael left all of that off the album. Those weren’t bad songs. They were good, even hit material in my opinion, but they were time stamped. Michael clearly understood the 80s sound perfectly well. He just chose not to let it define his work. That level of judgment is extraordinary. Most artists chase what works now. Michael curated what would last later.


That’s why Michael is such a rare case. An artist of unprecedented magnitude who maintained a fully formed identity independent of era. And it’s why his music often feels too “present” to function as background nostalgia. When a MJ song plays, it doesn’t say “remember the 80s.” It says, “This is Michael Jackson.”
 
That’s a good question. When I heard the song “Thriller” for the first time in the late 1990s, to me, it sounded like a Disneyesque pop/ funk song but didn’t strike me as very 80s. I could see why Michael wanted to make his songs sound timeless - songs like “Lady In My Life” fits in well with today’s musical climate.

Like you mentioned, the most 80s Michael was at was during the Bad era.
 
That's funny, I just finished watching the finale a few minutes ago, and now my friend is making a thread, what a coincidence!

I think that it's safe to say Michael's music didn't sound like typical 80s music, like people such as the pet shop boys, the clash, and Belinda Carlisle did. He had his own unique style of music, and didn't want to follow trends. I don't have much to say about this topic, but I do agree with you.
 
Didn't the showrunners for Stranger Things say that using Thriller for a teaser/trailer almost annihilated their budget a few years ago?

It costs too much to use MJ's music. Prince's Estate is having a moment (we know what that's like), so I would imagine it is much easier/cheaper.
 
The thing bout michael's music it's timeless and sounds very much in today's music. When the radio plays his music it feels like it been released today
 
The thing bout michael's music it's timeless and sounds very much in today's music. When the radio plays his music it feels like it been released today
Totally agree with your answer. For exemple : They don't care about us , Heal the World could have been released today and still be relevant with everything going on in the news. That's why he's one of the few artist whose music isn't bound to a specific year.
 
Good topic.

Why don’t we really hear Michael Jackson’s music used in the show
It's a funny question. You could ask why don't we hear MJ in NCIS or The Big Bang Theory or Breaking Bad or Dallas or Seinfeld or Only Fools and Horses or EastEnders?

Basically not everything needs to have MJ. There's no particular reason for it. It's not a conspiracy or anything.

the way Prince, Kate Bush, or others have been?
I think Kate Bush and Aha and The Buggles and Belinda Carlisle and the Pet Shop Boys only had hits in the 80s. On the other hand, MJ had hits in the 70s, 80s and 90s. He's not defined by time. It's not even as if Prince did that well after the 80s.

The answer I landed on is that, Michael Jackson defined the 1980s culturally, but his music doesn’t sonically belong to the 1980s in the way we usually think of “80s music,” and that was intentional.
Well, Bad had synths, as you said. But you're probably right. I guess the other issue is that MJ didn't actually release very much music. ie he only released 2 albums in the whole decade, and Thriller wasn't that 80s-sounding, apart from a couple of songs.

Choosing a “different” path was an enormous risk in the most trend driven decade pop music has ever seen
It was? What about the Merseybeat of the 60s? The grunge of the 90s? The boy bands of the 2000s? The R&B of today?

and yet it worked. Bad is probably the closest Michael ever came to engaging with the 80s sound, but even then, songs like Smooth Criminal, The Way You Make Me Feel, Liberian Girl, or Speed Demon, don’t feel like typical 80s tracks.
You're right about some of them. Except the videos, they're definitely 80s.

The key point is that Michael left all of that off the album. Those weren’t bad songs. They were good, even hit material in my opinion, but they were time stamped. Michael clearly understood the 80s sound perfectly well. He just chose not to let it define his work. That level of judgment is extraordinary.
I think you're taking this a bit too far. Thriller was recorded in early 82. At that point nobody knew what music would sound like by the end of the decade. The "80s sound" wasn't yet defined. There's no way MJ would have been making judgements like that.

And it’s why his music often feels too “present” to function as background nostalgia. When a MJ song plays, it doesn’t say “remember the 80s.” It says, “This is Michael Jackson.”
Yeah, I think mostly just because he had a long career. People who weren't there at the time probably don't know which songs were on which album or what came out when.

Thats a good point. But could we say he was ahead of his time? Cause if he made thriller today it would still be a hit i guess.
Just for the sake of conversation, I don't think it would. The songs are all too long - nobody today listens to 6-minute songs, the average is more like 2 minutes. The McCartney and Van Halen collaborations would not have worked, etc.
 
Good topic.


It's a funny question. You could ask why don't we hear MJ in NCIS or The Big Bang Theory or Breaking Bad or Dallas or Seinfeld or Only Fools and Horses or EastEnders?

Basically not everything needs to have MJ. There's no particular reason for it. It's not a conspiracy or anything.


I think Kate Bush and Aha and The Buggles and Belinda Carlisle and the Pet Shop Boys only had hits in the 80s. On the other hand, MJ had hits in the 70s, 80s and 90s. He's not defined by time. It's not even as if Prince did that well after the 80s.


Well, Bad had synths, as you said. But you're probably right. I guess the other issue is that MJ didn't actually release very much music. ie he only released 2 albums in the whole decade, and Thriller wasn't that 80s-sounding, apart from a couple of songs.


It was? What about the Merseybeat of the 60s? The grunge of the 90s? The boy bands of the 2000s? The R&B of today?


You're right about some of them. Except the videos, they're definitely 80s.


I think you're taking this a bit too far. Thriller was recorded in early 82. At that point nobody knew what music would sound like by the end of the decade. The "80s sound" wasn't yet defined. There's no way MJ would have been making judgements like that.


Yeah, I think mostly just because he had a long career. People who weren't there at the time probably don't know which songs were on which album or what came out when.


Just for the sake of conversation, I don't think it would. The songs are all too long - nobody today listens to 6-minute songs, the average is more like 2 minutes. The McCartney and Van Halen collaborations would not have worked, etc.
Now mj music in only fools and horses would've been epic! 😂😂
 
I think quite a few tracks on BAD sounds pretty dated and 80’s - it’s prob the album that has aged the most , it’s still my favourite MJ album though.

OTW in comparison still sounds incredibly fresh
 
I think Michael has a distinctive voice and way of writing, also him and Quincy merged all kinds of sounds which made them hard to pin to a specific sound/era.

Also maybe Michael isn't linked to a specific era because he stayed relevant and in the public eye after those era's
 
The way you make me feel ,speed demon, just good friends , another part of me and some sections of man in the mirror.

It’s all the synths sounds that scream to me 1980’s.

Indeed, exactly my thought. The Yamaha DX7 and Roland D-50 are dead giveaways. :)

This is why the Thriller album sounds more timeless. Jupiter-8, Prophet-5 and Minimoog (If I remember correctly). I know they still used the Jupiter and Prophet for the Bad album. The moog was used for the bass in some songs. But the "new tech stuff" gave it a more "hip" sound, hence making it sound more dated. Not a problem for me. I enjoy the 80's as much as the 70's and 90's.

There's some funny anecdotes from Christopher Currell teaching Michael how to use a Synclavier in the 80's "Time out! What's a floppy disc?".
 
The Girl Is Mine & Baby Be Mine sounds like typical late 1970s & early 1980s soft rock or Westcoast. The younger audience calls it "yacht rock".
 
I find off the wall sounds like the 70s and Dangerous and HIStory sound like the 90s. But i’ve listened to thriller again and beat it sounds like the 80s,kinda.
 
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