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03/06/2013 at 08:30 am in department 5 at 111 North Hill Street, Los Angeles, CA 90012
DETERMINE OWNERSHIP (PC 850)
Details :
PRIOR ORDERS:
Petn filed 1/28/13
REVIEWED FROM IMAGED FILE ONLY
OTHER CASES:
BS 132820 & SC 114598 (DeMann Entertainment, Inc. v. John Branca as exr, John McClain, et al.)
SUMMARY:
Petnrs are co-exrs; d/d 6/25/09; ltrs 11/10/09
30-day ntc/copy ok (except see notes below)
FACTS: Qadree El-Amin claims to be a member of, and have an ownership interest in, The Michael Jackson Company, LLC (the "Company"). There may be other Doe Respondents making a similar claim. The Company is a single-member Delaware LLC whose sole member as of 6/25/09 was decd. Respondent has not provided exrs with any credible evidence to support the claim.
MATTERS TO CLEAR:
A) No psl svc (30-day ntc/copy) on Qadree El-Amin
RELIEF:
1) JTD estate is sole member and owner of the Company and that no other person has an interest in the Company
PA COMMENTS: Continue for ntc and defer pending anticipated response
pshirreffs@lasuperiorcourt.org
PS 3/1/13
RECOMMENDED DISPOSITION: CONT TO 4/10/13 (PS)
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Meaning : Qadree El-Amin claims to have ownership interest Michael Jackson Company. Estate says Michael was the only owner.
Seems to be a bogus claim against MJ Estate.
DETERMINE OWNERSHIP (PC 850)
Details :
PRIOR ORDERS:
Petn filed 1/28/13
REVIEWED FROM IMAGED FILE ONLY
OTHER CASES:
BS 132820 & SC 114598 (DeMann Entertainment, Inc. v. John Branca as exr, John McClain, et al.)
SUMMARY:
Petnrs are co-exrs; d/d 6/25/09; ltrs 11/10/09
30-day ntc/copy ok (except see notes below)
FACTS: Qadree El-Amin claims to be a member of, and have an ownership interest in, The Michael Jackson Company, LLC (the "Company"). There may be other Doe Respondents making a similar claim. The Company is a single-member Delaware LLC whose sole member as of 6/25/09 was decd. Respondent has not provided exrs with any credible evidence to support the claim.
MATTERS TO CLEAR:
A) No psl svc (30-day ntc/copy) on Qadree El-Amin
RELIEF:
1) JTD estate is sole member and owner of the Company and that no other person has an interest in the Company
PA COMMENTS: Continue for ntc and defer pending anticipated response
pshirreffs@lasuperiorcourt.org
PS 3/1/13
RECOMMENDED DISPOSITION: CONT TO 4/10/13 (PS)
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Meaning : Qadree El-Amin claims to have ownership interest Michael Jackson Company. Estate says Michael was the only owner.
Seems to be a bogus claim against MJ Estate.
03/12/2013 at 10:00 am in department 5 at 111 North Hill Street, Los Angeles, CA 90012
INSTRUCTIONS
This is a hearing about Demann's 4th amended complaint and Estate's objection.
thread for Demann is here : http://www.mjjcommunity.com/forum/t...kson-Manager-Pursuing-Estate-Over-Commissions
INSTRUCTIONS
This is a hearing about Demann's 4th amended complaint and Estate's objection.
thread for Demann is here : http://www.mjjcommunity.com/forum/t...kson-Manager-Pursuing-Estate-Over-Commissions
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This is the first time I heard of Qadree El-Amin and had to do some search of him?
He got married in NL and I fond this:
While he is largely recognized for his phenomenal success with Boyz II Men, the El-Amin stamp extends far beyond the popular 90's boy band. Through his Southpaw Entertainment Company, he has also served as the Midas touch manager to global superstars Michael Jackson, Vanessa Williams, Janet Jackson, Teddy Riley & Blackstreet, Deborah Cox, Lou Bega and several other notables. He has also interacted closely with several notable music industry executives, including Clive Davis, L.A. Reid, Jimmy Iovine and Tommy Mottola.
http://beansouptimes.com/home/2012/...ent-industry-executive-qadree-el-amin-to.html
I assumed determine the ownership was about Tohme giving away MJ's art.
He got married in NL and I fond this:
While he is largely recognized for his phenomenal success with Boyz II Men, the El-Amin stamp extends far beyond the popular 90's boy band. Through his Southpaw Entertainment Company, he has also served as the Midas touch manager to global superstars Michael Jackson, Vanessa Williams, Janet Jackson, Teddy Riley & Blackstreet, Deborah Cox, Lou Bega and several other notables. He has also interacted closely with several notable music industry executives, including Clive Davis, L.A. Reid, Jimmy Iovine and Tommy Mottola.
http://beansouptimes.com/home/2012/...ent-industry-executive-qadree-el-amin-to.html
I assumed determine the ownership was about Tohme giving away MJ's art.
No it is not. If they can successfully void Tohme's Power of Attorney's they would get the art. They don't need a separate action for it.
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^^ Different type of Billie Jean
Oh that's a good one, in other words the male counterpart to Billie Jean. Brilliant!
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WRONGFULLY TAKEN PROPERTY (PC 859)
Petitioner(s): Arons, Richard
Attorney(s): Herbert, Daniel B., Esq. Dushkes, Larry S., Esq.
PRIOR ORDERS:
Petn filed 2/15/13
REVIEWED FROM IMAGED FILE ONLY
OTHER CASES:
BS 132820 & SC 114598 (DeMann Entertainment, Inc. v. John Branca as exr, John McClain, et al.)
SC 115988 (Tohme R. Tohme v. John Branca, et al.)
BP 117319 (Guardianship of Michael Joseph Jackson, Jr., Paris-Michael Katherine Jackson and Prince Michael Jackson, II)
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BP 127577 (trust proceeding)
My note, I didn't know they had separate case for trust proceedings. Ivy, can you say what is going on with trust thingy?
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SUMMARY:
Petnr is assignee of undivided interest re decd's recording contracts
FACTS: Petnr is assignne of undivided interest in certain rights of decd related to decd's recording contracts with CBS Records, a Division of CBS, Inc. - one contract dated 5/18/75 and two contracts dated 2/25/81 (one with decd as a solo artist and the other with decd as a member of the Jacksons) (collectively, the "Recording Contracts"). Decd assigned to petnr a 7 1/2% interest in and to all royalties and other amounts payable or o/w accruing to or fbo decd, excluding mechanical royalties, from the exploitation of certain albums and recordings.
On 12/8/10, the court entered an order expressly finding that decd has assigned ot petnr a 7 1/2% interest in and to all royalties and other amounts payable or otherwise accurding to or fbo decd, excluding mechanical royalties, from the exploiation of the subject albums and recordings. Estate has failed to pay petnr a significant part of royalties due to him. Decd also may have omitted to pay to petnr part of the royalties due to him.
MATTERS TO CLEAR:
A) Ntc is missing right to answer statement - Local Rule 4.37(b)(2)
B) No psl svc on exrs John McClain and John Branca
C)No spec ntc Ayscough & Marar (RSN filed 9/18/09)
RELIEF:
1) JTD that the estate holds in trust, as constructive tee, fbo petnr, 7 1/2% of all royalties and other amounts received by, or otherwise
accruing to or for the benefit of, decd and the estate, excluding mechanical royalties, from the exploitation of the Covered Albums and Covered Masters
2) JTD compel estate to immediately convey to Petitioner 7 1/2% of all royalties and other amounts received by, or otherwise accruing to or for the benefit of, decd and the estate, excluding mechanical royalties, from the exploitation of the Covered Albums and Covered Masters
3) JTD restraining and preliminarily and permanently enjoining the estate from disbursing, distributing, or otherwise dissipating in any way 7 1/2% of all royalties and other amounts received by, or othenvise accruing to or for the benefit of, decd and the estate, excluding mechanical royalties, from the exploitation of the Covered Albums and Covered Masters
4) JTD compel estate to account for all royalties and other amounts due to or received by, or otherwise accruing to or fbo decd and the estate, exciuding mechanical royalties, from the exploitation of the Covered Albums and Covered Masters
5) JTD damages in the amount of all monies found owing to petnr
6) JTD double damages. and punitive damages in a sufficient amount to deter future conduct of the same or similar nature, based on the value of the estate
7) JTD interest on each of the forgoing sums at the legal rate of 10%
PA COMMENTS: Continue to clear notes and for anticipated response
My note, I had to check who is this Richard Arons, see here: http://www.tmz.com/2010/05/17/michael-jackson-creditors-claim-late-richadr-arons/
WRONGFULLY TAKEN PROPERTY (PC 859)
Petitioner(s): Arons, Richard
Attorney(s): Herbert, Daniel B., Esq. Dushkes, Larry S., Esq.
PRIOR ORDERS:
Petn filed 2/15/13
REVIEWED FROM IMAGED FILE ONLY
OTHER CASES:
BS 132820 & SC 114598 (DeMann Entertainment, Inc. v. John Branca as exr, John McClain, et al.)
SC 115988 (Tohme R. Tohme v. John Branca, et al.)
BP 117319 (Guardianship of Michael Joseph Jackson, Jr., Paris-Michael Katherine Jackson and Prince Michael Jackson, II)
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BP 127577 (trust proceeding)
My note, I didn't know they had separate case for trust proceedings. Ivy, can you say what is going on with trust thingy?
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SUMMARY:
Petnr is assignee of undivided interest re decd's recording contracts
FACTS: Petnr is assignne of undivided interest in certain rights of decd related to decd's recording contracts with CBS Records, a Division of CBS, Inc. - one contract dated 5/18/75 and two contracts dated 2/25/81 (one with decd as a solo artist and the other with decd as a member of the Jacksons) (collectively, the "Recording Contracts"). Decd assigned to petnr a 7 1/2% interest in and to all royalties and other amounts payable or o/w accruing to or fbo decd, excluding mechanical royalties, from the exploitation of certain albums and recordings.
On 12/8/10, the court entered an order expressly finding that decd has assigned ot petnr a 7 1/2% interest in and to all royalties and other amounts payable or otherwise accurding to or fbo decd, excluding mechanical royalties, from the exploiation of the subject albums and recordings. Estate has failed to pay petnr a significant part of royalties due to him. Decd also may have omitted to pay to petnr part of the royalties due to him.
MATTERS TO CLEAR:
A) Ntc is missing right to answer statement - Local Rule 4.37(b)(2)
B) No psl svc on exrs John McClain and John Branca
C)No spec ntc Ayscough & Marar (RSN filed 9/18/09)
RELIEF:
1) JTD that the estate holds in trust, as constructive tee, fbo petnr, 7 1/2% of all royalties and other amounts received by, or otherwise
accruing to or for the benefit of, decd and the estate, excluding mechanical royalties, from the exploitation of the Covered Albums and Covered Masters
2) JTD compel estate to immediately convey to Petitioner 7 1/2% of all royalties and other amounts received by, or otherwise accruing to or for the benefit of, decd and the estate, excluding mechanical royalties, from the exploitation of the Covered Albums and Covered Masters
3) JTD restraining and preliminarily and permanently enjoining the estate from disbursing, distributing, or otherwise dissipating in any way 7 1/2% of all royalties and other amounts received by, or othenvise accruing to or for the benefit of, decd and the estate, excluding mechanical royalties, from the exploitation of the Covered Albums and Covered Masters
4) JTD compel estate to account for all royalties and other amounts due to or received by, or otherwise accruing to or fbo decd and the estate, exciuding mechanical royalties, from the exploitation of the Covered Albums and Covered Masters
5) JTD damages in the amount of all monies found owing to petnr
6) JTD double damages. and punitive damages in a sufficient amount to deter future conduct of the same or similar nature, based on the value of the estate
7) JTD interest on each of the forgoing sums at the legal rate of 10%
PA COMMENTS: Continue to clear notes and for anticipated response
My note, I had to check who is this Richard Arons, see here: http://www.tmz.com/2010/05/17/michael-jackson-creditors-claim-late-richadr-arons/
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From what I see , Richard Arons did file late, but was granted his claim on 12/8/2010 .. He is saying he hasn't been paid yet all that is due. He now wants double the amount + interest to deter future conduct of the same from the Estate
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Seems to be similar than DeMann case as he too is seeking unpaid royalties and he too was MJ's manager during J5 and 5 solo albums. How many managers MJ had during that time?
What is it with these people, isn't sony who pays royalties?
TRUSTS & ESTATES PRIOR CONTRACTUAL RIGHTS
Richard Arons, the client, was Michael Jackson’s manager on the last five Jackson 5 albums and first five solo albums, including “Thriller,” the best-selling album of all time, and “Off the Wall,” also ranked among the best-selling. He is contractually entitled to royalties for these albums in perpetuity, and has received royalties for these albums for past 40 years. It was therefore surprising when the executors of the estate failed to give him notice of the probate in time for Mr. Arons to file his claim. In probate, claims filed beyond a very short cutoff are permanently barred, and the executors in this case vigorously opposed all other late-filed claims as well as the claims of other managers. It would have been difficult, moreover, for Mr. Arons to prove he could not otherwise have known of the probate in time to file his claim, given the vast amount of media coverage following Michael’s death. When Mr. Arons submitted his petition for leave to file a late claim or for alternative relief, he was ridiculed in the press. TMZ’s headline was “My Dog Ate My Creditor Claim.”
The probate court, however, was persuaded otherwise, specifically finding that the royalty rights had in fact been assigned to Mr. Arons many years prior, and that, therefore, he was not a creditor of the estate subject to the usual claim file requirements. His contractual rights, in other words, survived the probate process, notwithstanding the statutory restrictions. This is of substantial benefit to Mr. Arons since sales of Jackson’s albums are now better than ever. In the year following Jackson’s death, his estate generated revenues of more than $1 Billion, as he became the first artist in history to have four of the top 20 best selling albums in a single year, with 20 of his albums making it into the top 40. ■
http://www.harmonie.org/user_documents/Significant_Cases_2010_www.pdf
What is it with these people, isn't sony who pays royalties?
TRUSTS & ESTATES PRIOR CONTRACTUAL RIGHTS
Richard Arons, the client, was Michael Jackson’s manager on the last five Jackson 5 albums and first five solo albums, including “Thriller,” the best-selling album of all time, and “Off the Wall,” also ranked among the best-selling. He is contractually entitled to royalties for these albums in perpetuity, and has received royalties for these albums for past 40 years. It was therefore surprising when the executors of the estate failed to give him notice of the probate in time for Mr. Arons to file his claim. In probate, claims filed beyond a very short cutoff are permanently barred, and the executors in this case vigorously opposed all other late-filed claims as well as the claims of other managers. It would have been difficult, moreover, for Mr. Arons to prove he could not otherwise have known of the probate in time to file his claim, given the vast amount of media coverage following Michael’s death. When Mr. Arons submitted his petition for leave to file a late claim or for alternative relief, he was ridiculed in the press. TMZ’s headline was “My Dog Ate My Creditor Claim.”
The probate court, however, was persuaded otherwise, specifically finding that the royalty rights had in fact been assigned to Mr. Arons many years prior, and that, therefore, he was not a creditor of the estate subject to the usual claim file requirements. His contractual rights, in other words, survived the probate process, notwithstanding the statutory restrictions. This is of substantial benefit to Mr. Arons since sales of Jackson’s albums are now better than ever. In the year following Jackson’s death, his estate generated revenues of more than $1 Billion, as he became the first artist in history to have four of the top 20 best selling albums in a single year, with 20 of his albums making it into the top 40. ■
http://www.harmonie.org/user_documents/Significant_Cases_2010_www.pdf
qbee has nicely summarized it. Richard Arons had 2 contracts and was supposed to get 7.5% of the royalties from some songs and he's claiming Michael and later his Estate didn't pay him royalties. He's asking to get them.
It looks like Segye Times filed this sometime back against MJ Family Trust to get the judgment Katherine owns them. It looks to be rejected and probably doesn't matter anymore as Estate loaned Katherine $6 Million to pay back her debt.
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It looks like The judge also ruled in this case that Richard Aron's was not late in filing a creditor claim. He shouldn't have had to file one because it was not a new claim, he already had an ongoing contract that should have continued having the royalties paid on. Unless the estate is arguing the terms or something, I'm not sure why they haven't paid in full yet ? It's probably a significant amount. Maybe they are trying to tally up all the songs/Albums it is owed on or work out terms to pay it back.
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if MJ was owing these people money ....then how the heck was MJ making money for himself? seems everyone wants 10% of this, and 10 % of that. by the time MJ paid ...he found himself with nothing left for himself. no wonder he had all these problems really.
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I suspect it is the terms they are arguing.
this guy is asking 7.5% of his sales . so if those albums sold for $200m then this guys gets $15m. That's a lot money. also he claims he was MJ manager...what exactly was he doing? I though frank dileo and Demann were managers.
not sales, royalties. and it's not unusual for all managers , reps etc added together get 30% or so of an artists earning.
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Future Hearings
05/30/2013 at 10:00 am in department 5 at 111 North Hill Street, Los Angeles, CA 90012
WRONGFULLY TAKEN PROPERTY (PC 859)
05/30/2013 at 10:00 am in department 5 at 111 North Hill Street, Los Angeles, CA 90012
ACCOUNT CURRENT
06/06/2013 at 10:00 am in department 5 at 111 North Hill Street, Los Angeles, CA 90012
MOTION-FILE PLEADINGS UNDER SEAL
06/18/2013 at 10:00 am in department 5 at 111 North Hill Street, Los Angeles, CA 90012
MOTION-QUASH(WELLS FARGP SUBPOENA)
12/06/2013 at 08:30 am in department 5 at 111 North Hill Street, Los Angeles, CA 90012
ORDER TO SHOW CAUSE - PROBATE(RE FNL ACCTG OR 12200 STATUS RPTTO BE FILED AND SET FOR HRG.)
Ivy, do I read this right, they are about to file accounting like the one last year?
Do you know what is that Wells-Fargo subpoena thingy?
05/30/2013 at 10:00 am in department 5 at 111 North Hill Street, Los Angeles, CA 90012
WRONGFULLY TAKEN PROPERTY (PC 859)
05/30/2013 at 10:00 am in department 5 at 111 North Hill Street, Los Angeles, CA 90012
ACCOUNT CURRENT
06/06/2013 at 10:00 am in department 5 at 111 North Hill Street, Los Angeles, CA 90012
MOTION-FILE PLEADINGS UNDER SEAL
06/18/2013 at 10:00 am in department 5 at 111 North Hill Street, Los Angeles, CA 90012
MOTION-QUASH(WELLS FARGP SUBPOENA)
12/06/2013 at 08:30 am in department 5 at 111 North Hill Street, Los Angeles, CA 90012
ORDER TO SHOW CAUSE - PROBATE(RE FNL ACCTG OR 12200 STATUS RPTTO BE FILED AND SET FOR HRG.)
Ivy, do I read this right, they are about to file accounting like the one last year?
Do you know what is that Wells-Fargo subpoena thingy?
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Ivy, do we have another Billie Jean in works?
06/04/2013 Declaration - Probate (NONA JACKSON-RICHIE )
Filed by Petitioner
06/04/2013 Declaration - Probate (NONA JACKSON-RICHIE )
Filed by Attorney for Petitioner
and there is a future hearing: 07/18/2013 at 08:30 am in department 5 at 111 North Hill Street, Los Angeles, CA 90012
SPOUSAL PROPERTY
She claims to be Blankets mom:scratch:
Edited to add, I did a search of this woman and she is married to Lionel richie (thus the name last name) and mother of Blanket
http://lolajacksonlive.blogspot.ie/2013/01/nona-jackson-richie-husband.html
06/04/2013 Declaration - Probate (NONA JACKSON-RICHIE )
Filed by Petitioner
06/04/2013 Declaration - Probate (NONA JACKSON-RICHIE )
Filed by Attorney for Petitioner
and there is a future hearing: 07/18/2013 at 08:30 am in department 5 at 111 North Hill Street, Los Angeles, CA 90012
SPOUSAL PROPERTY
She claims to be Blankets mom:scratch:
Edited to add, I did a search of this woman and she is married to Lionel richie (thus the name last name) and mother of Blanket
http://lolajacksonlive.blogspot.ie/2013/01/nona-jackson-richie-husband.html
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Not thee loinel i take it !
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Bubs;3842343 said:Ivy, do we have another Billie Jean in works?
06/04/2013 Declaration - Probate (NONA JACKSON-RICHIE )
Filed by Petitioner
06/04/2013 Declaration - Probate (NONA JACKSON-RICHIE )
Filed by Attorney for Petitioner
and there is a future hearing: 07/18/2013 at 08:30 am in department 5 at 111 North Hill Street, Los Angeles, CA 90012
SPOUSAL PROPERTY
She claims to be Blankets mom:scratch:
Edited to add, I did a search of this woman and she is married to Lionel richie (thus the name last name) and mother of Blanket
http://lolajacksonlive.blogspot.ie/2013/01/nona-jackson-richie-husband.html
She is not Lionel's wife either she is a nut case _shes been around for awhile and has made several other nutty claims against MJ when he was alive and then against the estate. She changes her names all the time - here is a older article about her. As Nona Paris lola Jackson
Nona Paris Lola Ankhesenamun Jackson, Michael Jackson’s Secret Wife (PHOTOS)
http://www.bittenandbound.com/2009/...n-jackson-michael-jackson-secret-wife-photos/
Michael Jackson forced to prove Billie Jean was not his lover 2008
British woman Nona Paris Lola Jackson has lost several lawsuits since 2006 after claiming to be the mother of all three of his children.http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/cel...d-to-prove-Billie-Jean-was-not-his-lover.html
NONA PARIS LOLA JACKSON LOSES AGAIN
http://www.blackcelebkids.com/2008/05/29/nona-paris-lola-jackson-loses-again/
Here is her video channel Nona Jackson·
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=USlGTiTLIno
She used to have a personal blog or website where she posted all her Ish - I'm trying to see if I can find it. We had a thread here all about it too.
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Me think some tabloids are paying her to launch these kinds of claims because it generates "news". This is a tactic tabloids are using frequently. same with Mark Lester being paid by the Daily Mail tabloid in the UK to make paternity claims in the press. The idea is to generate controversy, damage MJ legacy and his kids.
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Qbee, I didn't know she changes her name every so often. I have read her court docs and she is one of the "funniest" of all
"Among the England native’s wacky demands are also a list of rules for how the Jackson family will be run — including meals for each day of the week and an expectation that all family members will celebrate their birthdays on December 26 or 27.
“I have many family members, so that all birthdays will be celebrated December 26 through to the 27th annually. We will all have to save our birthdays with gifts and presents,” the documents states."
Btw, how is it possible that this woman is still allowed to take executors and courts time, she should be in mental ward.
"Among the England native’s wacky demands are also a list of rules for how the Jackson family will be run — including meals for each day of the week and an expectation that all family members will celebrate their birthdays on December 26 or 27.
“I have many family members, so that all birthdays will be celebrated December 26 through to the 27th annually. We will all have to save our birthdays with gifts and presents,” the documents states."
Btw, how is it possible that this woman is still allowed to take executors and courts time, she should be in mental ward.
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